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irishfan said:
My guess is that since the investigation is complete, the Admin pretty much knows what the punishment for these kids is going to be. The hearings will just be a formality. I think they submitted their findings and self-imposed penalties (if there are any) to the NCAA and are waiting to hear back from them.

Just my guess. Gotta hear back from NCAA before the academic hearings and punishments. Wouldn't make sense for them to clear anyone just to have the NCAA deem them ineligible after seeing the findings of the investigation.

^Sorry if this theory has been posted before, I mentally checked out of this thread weeks ago.
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I disagree as any academic punishment for misconduct is not subject to the NCAA regulations. Academic Misconduct is the domain of the university. The questions are prior seasons possible ineligibility and any institutional tie an employee part time or otherwise. Both seem to require the Honesty Committee to make their determination of events and eligibility first.

A minor infraction gets an zero on an assignment, a more flagrant offense gets a zero in the course, repeat offenses, etc get you tossed from school. Now if such a grade reduction from summer school rendered an athlete academically ineligible for the '14 season there is no vacating as the athletes haven't played so far this year. It's only if an athlete lost eligibilty in a previous season due to a pattern of dishonesty that
 
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I disagree as any academic punishment for misconduct is not subject to the NCAA regulations. Academic Misconduct is the domain of the university. The questions are prior seasons possible ineligibility and any institutional tie an employee part time or otherwise. Both seem to require the Honesty Committee to make their determination of events and eligibility first.

A minor infraction gets an zero on an assignment, a more flagrant offense gets a zero in the course, repeat offenses, etc get you tossed from school. Now if such a grade reduction from summer school rendered an athlete academically ineligible for the '14 season there is no vacating as the athletes haven't played so far this year. It's only if an athlete lost eligibilty in a previous season due to a pattern of dishonesty that
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I suppose my guess was due to the fact that these allegation happened during 2012, so there is a chance that these players were "ineligible" during 2012. So maybe the school is waiting for the NCAA go-ahead before clearing them to play in 2014. I think they already pretty much know what academic punishment will be handed down i.e. a "0" on a paper or an "F" in a class or suspension or expulsion. I think for anyone who is facing a lower punishment (KVR?), they are waiting for the NCAA to deem them "eligible" after looking at the school's findings.

I agree that the NCAA has no bearing on the academic punishment, which IMO has already been informally decided. I just think they're waiting to see if the NCAA says its okay for anyone to play in 2014 who may have been playing ineligibly in 2012.
 
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7:29AM and no posts yet this morning? Are we running out of steam fellas?
 
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I have little to offer at this point. But I did have reason to go over the very early posts of this thread. Several, including Whiskey have stated that this was "leaked" by someone at the NCAA. I agree, that was where the major leak to reporters came from. But, there was also a leak at ND (from the timeline given) before the call to the NCAA was made. Maybe more than one. It had a lot different and more scurrilous information than the "NCAA leak." It also had no dimension, or mention of the vacating wins, rumors.

Why does this make a difference? I just cannot shake the feeling that the potential violations are as cut and dried as many assume.

I still think there is a huge grey area around the idea of editing papers.

So correct me if I am wrong :

We could be facing this delay because their is no unanimity on the punishment for these series of violations, or basic agreement as to if these are even violations.

We could be waiting to see the NCAA's interpretation of what may be considered a violation to them including "institutional control" and "extra benefits" issues.

Anything else?
 
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It might be time for people to start looking for a Wilson. Day 52 with little to no hope.....

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So, I am by no means blaming Kelly for the delay but at what point does he stand up for his players to demand answers? If I am an 18 year old looking at the way the administration has handled this issue I would want nothing to do with the ND football program. Boosters, former players, former coaches...someone needs to turn the heat up on this administration in my opinion. It is a joke!
 
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My sources tell me the delay is mainly due to trying to find a few more pieces of information:

- 18 minutes of missing audio tape
- numerous IRS emails
- proof of life of Nessie, Sasquatch, & DB Cooper
 
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I hear the interviews weren't conclusive...


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gkIrish said:
You're right you shouldn't care. Bye.
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If only it were that easy. If only everything in life was that easy. I have been an advocate for these guys from the very beginning. Not because of the athletic side of it, but because of the academic side of it. They have been sitting in academic purgatory for 52 days now. If dismissed, this semester, which is now 4 weeks old, is gone. So any work they have done up until now is for not. This could have been addressed quickly, giving them the opportunity to transfer, hit up a JUCO, and get their academic credits in line to return to school and complete their degree. That is my issue with all of this.
 
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JeremyND07 said:
So, I am by no means blaming Kelly for the delay but at what point does he stand up for his players to demand answers? If I am an 18 year old looking at the way the administration has handled this issue I would want nothing to do with the ND football program. Boosters, former players, former coaches...someone needs to turn the heat up on this administration in my opinion. It is a joke!
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With the great relationship Jack and Brian have you'd think Brian would have some insight or time estimate... I've seen laws passed faster than this process has taken!
 
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connor_in said:
My sources tell me the delay is mainly due to trying to find a few more pieces of information:

- 18 minutes of missing audio tape
- numerous IRS emails
- proof of life of Nessie, Sasquatch, & DB Cooper
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impressive list of mystery and intrigue...brave to include IRS...you'll be next...:).
 
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connor_in said:
My sources tell me the delay is mainly due to trying to find a few more pieces of information:

- 18 minutes of missing audio tape
- numerous IRS emails
- proof of life of Nessie, Sasquatch, & DB Cooper
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IRISH in MT said:
With the great relationship Jack and Brian have you'd think Brian would have some insight or time estimate... I've seen laws passed faster than this process has taken!
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see Affordable care act as Exhibit A....

I like deliberative, and I like adherence to rules and laws. What I don't like is the impact on the kids and the school. I find it hard to believe, and difficult to accept that the process wouldn't be complete, or at least that those impacted would understand whats going on.
 
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greek what exactly is your avatar?
i see a helmet in the back...not sure what is in front
 
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ND NYC said:
greek what exactly is your avatar?
i see a helmet in the back...not sure what is in front
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That's the icon for the ND Honesty Committee, a light or beacon with football as an afterthought seen through the keyhole of confidentiality.
 
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JeremyND07 said:
So, I am by no means blaming Kelly for the delay but at what point does he stand up for his players to demand answers? If I am an 18 year old looking at the way the administration has handled this issue I would want nothing to do with the ND football program. Boosters, former players, former coaches...someone needs to turn the heat up on this administration in my opinion. It is a joke!
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I see where you're coming from, but all you have to do is go to class and don't cheat.
 
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