QB situation

[BobbyMac]

Regarding this criticism of Book for all the qb whisperers out there sometimes its necessary to throw off your back foot sometimes - you cant step into a throw with a guy in your face. He's not John Elway but he throws a much better ball than Jurkovich-its not even close. My goodness he's starting to excel- jump on the bandwagon don't show us your qb camp rhetoric. If he had a running game he'd be a Heisman candidate.

Oh... we're supposed to give up our rhetoric while you take aim at us with yours! This is what the NRA has warned us about for decades.

That's why I'm a proud member of the National Rhetoric Association.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Back to Kelly "calling plays from the sideline in practice" (opposed to standing behind the QB...)

I want to start off by saying, I never played football (only basketball and baseball) but wouldn't it make more sense for the coach to "practice like it's a game"? I feel like Kelly "calling in plays from the sideline" is a no-brainer to me, with regards to helping the QB prepare for, actual, game situations.

Is this, seriously, the first time he's EVER tried this with one of his QBs?

 

[IrishLax]

Back to Kelly "calling plays from the sideline in practice" (opposed to standing behind the QB...)

I want to start off by saying, I never played football (only basketball and baseball) but wouldn't it make more sense for the coach to "practice like it's a game"? I feel like Kelly "calling in plays from the sideline" is a no-brainer to me, with regards to helping the QB prepare for, actual, game situations.

Is this, seriously, the first time he's EVER tried this with one of his QBs?

I'd caution not to read too much into coach speak here about "changes." I would bet in a couple months we get a full leaked story about what was really done over the latter half of the season.

 

[BeauBenken]

Back to Kelly "calling plays from the sideline in practice" (opposed to standing behind the QB...)

I want to start off by saying, I never played football (only basketball and baseball) but wouldn't it make more sense for the coach to "practice like it's a game"? I feel like Kelly "calling in plays from the sideline" is a no-brainer to me, with regards to helping the QB prepare for, actual, game situations.

Is this, seriously, the first time he's EVER tried this with one of his QBs?

On my phone so I can't even see where you got this, but I fluctuate in practice. It's a matter of if I'm trying to make sure we run a play or plays correctly or if we can create a drive.

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[Some Irish Bloke]

What's going on at Notre Dame that highly ranked QB's come in and sit for years, because they're "not ready", whatever the f that means. If Phil truly isn't outplaying Book at this point, and couldn't produce a better product than what Book was putting out there those few games down the stretch, then he's never gonna be the dude we thought he was, unfortunately. It makes me mad, what happens when Pyne, and eventually Buchner, get here? What in the last 10 years has lead anyone to believe that a decent-to-highly ranked quarterback prospect is gonna come in and 1) Pick up the system in time to make a difference, if ever 2) Play well for a season, season and a half, without regressing or going into neutral in terms of development? One thing he's shown that he can do (BK) is develop and get the most out of 2-3* guys, but I wanna see a Top100 QB (Phil, Pyne, Buchner) come in and play to his capabilities. ND/BK pulls that off, we can win a NC, with the talent that's coming to South Bend.

Outside of specialists (long snappers, and even then I think you'll have a hard time), can you please name me any 2 star recruits that we've signed under BK?

Regarding this criticism of Book for all the qb whisperers out there sometimes its necessary to throw off your back foot sometimes - you cant step into a throw with a guy in your face. He's not John Elway but he throws a much better ball than Jurkovich-its not even close. My goodness he's starting to excel- jump on the bandwagon don't show us your qb camp rhetoric. If he had a running game he'd be a Heisman candidate.

I generally agreed with you until that last line. Heisman candidate would infer your comparing him to what Jalen Hurts, Tua, and Joe Burrows have all done this year...he doesn't have a seat at that table.

But there are some very, very strange takes I'm reading from yesterday evening after the past two games Book has produced, so I agree there.

 

[hungryhippo]

Outside of specialists (long snappers, and even then I think you'll have a hard time), can you please name me any 2 star recruits that we've signed under BK?

It sure has been a long time since the days of Heggie.

 

[ulukinatme]

It sure has been a long time since the days of Heggie.

Ahh, the Legend of Bruce Heggie. I heard he once blocked three defenders with naught but his beard.

 

[ickythump1225]

If he had a running game he'd be a Heisman candidate.

 

[Wild Bill]

Regarding this criticism of Book for all the qb whisperers out there sometimes its necessary to throw off your back foot sometimes - you cant step into a throw with a guy in your face. He's not John Elway but he throws a much better ball than Jurkovich-its not even close. My goodness he's starting to excel- jump on the bandwagon don't show us your qb camp rhetoric. If he had a running game he'd be a Heisman candidate.

He's had games where the running game was clicking and he just didn't make the throws for whatever reason. He's almost played better when they couldn't run the ball.

L'ville - Jones had 110 yards on 15 carries. Book was 14/23 for 193 and one TD
Georgia - Book played well despite getting no help in the run game. He probably would have had over 300 and won the game without the drops and penalties.
Virginia - Jones ran for 131 and 3 TDs. Book was 17/25 for 175 and no TDs
USC - Jones ran for 176, and the team had over 300. Book was 17/32 for 165 and 1 TD.
Michigan - everyone wore a skirt to the game
VA Tech - No running game. Book was 29/53 for 336 and 2 TDs/2 INTs
Duke - Book was the running game and the passing game
Navy - I could have been 7 yards behind the LOS and it wouldn't have made a difference. Book rolled.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

It sure has been a long time since the days of Heggie.

Do we give him a pass since it was his first class taking over for a dumpster fire defensive unit? lol But man, reps for that long memory.

 

[SoIll]

https://247sports.com/college/notre...r-another-jurkovec-question-138858249/?page=2

A guy on 247 claims to know the Jurkovec family well. Says he will not be in SB next year "IF" Ian is still around. Says they are very frustrated with how the year has gone. Don't shoot me PJ cult members...

Side note: They really like Chip Long. Ha

 

[Irish YJ]

https://247sports.com/college/notre...r-another-jurkovec-question-138858249/?page=2

A guy on 247 claims to know the Jurkovec family well. Says he will not be in SB next year "IF" Ian is still around. Says they are very frustrated with how the year has gone. TIFIW

Side note: They really like Chip Long. Ha

So, they are frustrated that be didn't displace a QB that went 12-0 and took ND to the playoffs last year...

Not sure I buy it. If true, bye Felicia.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

https://247sports.com/college/notre...r-another-jurkovec-question-138858249/?page=2

A guy on 247 claims to know the Jurkovec family well. Says he will not be in SB next year "IF" Ian is still around. Says they are very frustrated with how the year has gone. TIFIW

Side note: They really like Chip Long. Ha

I don't claim to know the Jurkovic family well but...I'm not worried about some 247 board poster. It's not like he's posting on IE, for goodness sake.

I'd be pretty surprised if PJ left given the reasons we've talked about ad nauseam. No matter how it shakes out he only plays for two years. Why not stick around. I have a hard time believing he gets an NCAA waiver because he's upset about playing time/losing a position battle.

And as YJ said, if he has that kind of defeatist attitude, good riddance, but I generally believe in PJ's intangibles and hopes he sticks it out for the long haul and does great things here.

 

[IrishLax]

https://247sports.com/college/notre...r-another-jurkovec-question-138858249/?page=2

A guy on 247 claims to know the Jurkovec family well. Says he will not be in SB next year "IF" Ian is still around. Says they are very frustrated with how the year has gone. Don't shoot me PJ cult members...

Side note: They really like Chip Long. Ha

Well, you know this person is a liar and/or misinformed then. Because that's not true.

And even if you didn't know that, it's logically inconsistent to say there is a "disconnect" and "won't get fair shot at QB1".... and then say you REALLY LIKE the guy who is primarily responsible for that stuff. Makes no sense.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Well, you know this person is a liar and/or misinformed then. Because that's not true.

And even if you didn't know that, it's logically inconsistent to say there is a "disconnect" and "won't get fair shot at QB1".... and then say you REALLY LIKE the guy who is primarily responsible for that stuff. Makes no sense.

In other words, don't pay attention to what Chip Long is typing on 247 message boards.

 

[Irish#1]

So, they are frustrated that be didn't displace a QB that went 12-0 and took ND to the playoffs last year...

Not sure I buy it. If true, bye Felicia.

No kidding. What could be the talking points to support this? Phil's taller?

 

[zelezo vlk]

https://247sports.com/college/notre...r-another-jurkovec-question-138858249/?page=2

A guy on 247 claims to know the Jurkovec family well. Says he will not be in SB next year "IF" Ian is still around. Says they are very frustrated with how the year has gone. Don't shoot me PJ cult members...

Side note: They really like Chip Long. Ha

Well, you know this person is a liar and/or misinformed then. Because that's not true.

And even if you didn't know that, it's logically inconsistent to say there is a "disconnect" and "won't get fair shot at QB1".... and then say you REALLY LIKE the guy who is primarily responsible for that stuff. Makes no sense.

"Really likes Chip Long". Sounds like they'd be disappointed this spring anyways

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

"Really likes Chip Long". Sounds like they'd be disappointed this spring anyways

Maybe he was talking about his golf game.

 

[SoIll]

Well, you know this person is a liar and/or misinformed then. Because that's not true.

And even if you didn't know that, it's logically inconsistent to say there is a "disconnect" and "won't get fair shot at QB1".... and then say you REALLY LIKE the guy who is primarily responsible for that stuff. Makes no sense.

chill..

Didn't say I believed it. Just shared the thread.

I said "ha" for a reason after saying they liked Long.

 

[condoms SUCk]

I strongly disagree. Definitely have a competition and let the best man win. But once you choose, you need to commit and give the winner a chance to succeed. At some point you have to put your cards on the table and finally go for it. Is ND capable of winning a national championship? 2020 has to be the year they go all in. A two QB system isn't going to do that. All five starting OL returning along with the top backup OL, a great group of TEs all returning headlined by a potential All-American and top NFL pick, a high quality and experienced interior DL all returning, good experience at LB including a Rover who is just tapping into his potential, and a generational ND safety. There are obviously questions - the DBs outside of Hamilton, replacing Claypool and Kareem, whether any of our RBs will perform - plus a schedule that has a home game against Clemson, the neutral site game with Wisconsin, and ending the year at USC. But, you don't want to be playing for 2021 in 2020 by being cute with the QB situation. Even though the 20201 schedule looks easier, losing the OL and DL that we will be after 2020 makes 2020 the year.

That said, I absolutely agree that in blowout wins - thankfully which are becoming more commonplace - the backup QB needs to be allowed to play within the full offense and get more experience.

Yeah, I am not saying we sacrifice the chance of winning games in order to get PJ some playing time. but you also can't develop a QB by giving them a handful of drives in which the majority of those drives are just handing off to the RB's (which have been sub par this year).
If PJ needs to develop his game, give him a couple dives here and there when we have control of a game even though it may not be a "blowout". I wouldn't do this in a one or two score game, and definitely not against Clemson or Wisky. I'm sure BK/Long can find a few drives against Arky, Western Mich, Wake Forst, Pitt, Duke, Georgia Tech or Louisville.
I would expect a team that's NC caliber shouldn't be in slugfest against ALL those teams, especially when we have a clear advantage on in regards to talent.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

Two thoughts, on one hand and the other:

1. I think PJ was there on the ground when he watched BK bench a year-long starter Wimbush for Book. He knows from experience that he gives his players a fair shake, and if he beats out Book, he'll play.

2. I also think a lot of the responses here are assuming that a former high school star QB and his family are thinking rationally about his riding the bench for 1-2 years longer than he thought he would. History suggests that often isn't the case.

 

[BGIF]

Oh... we're supposed to give up our rhetoric while you take aim at us with yours! This is what the NRA has warned us about for decades.

That's why I'm a proud member of the National Rhetoric Association.

"From my cold dead lips!"

 

[EvilleIrish]

Not sure it makes sense for PJ to leave. He would have to sit out next year anyways, which would be Book's last year, so what's the point?

 

[KizerWilhelm]

Not sure it makes sense for PJ to leave. He would have to sit out next year anyways, which would be Book's last year, so what's the point?

The proliferation of transfer waivers means this is no longer necessarily the case. About half of waivers get accepted. https://www.espn.com/blog/collegeba...87/ncaa-approves-half-of-all-hardship-waivers

 

[ThePiombino]

https://247sports.com/college/notre...r-another-jurkovec-question-138858249/?page=2

A guy on 247 claims to know the Jurkovec family well. Says he will not be in SB next year "IF" Ian is still around. Says they are very frustrated with how the year has gone. Don't shoot me PJ cult members...

Side note: They really like Chip Long. Ha

If this is true...BIG IF...I don't blame him. He SHOULD transfer. His situation has been completely mishandled IMO.

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[Wingman Ray]

This has been an ongoing issue with QBs under BK. The backups get very little real game experience short of handing off the ball late in the 4th quarter. They dont develop.

Look at the schedule. BG, Duke, and Navy game PJ should have been in after halftime or worst case, 1/2 way through the 3rd. Giving the guy two mop up possessions at the end by throwing a couple of four yard passes and handing off the ball doesnt quite cut the mustard.

Keep hearing PJ isnt ready, he isnt ready. How exactly does one get ready? Ian probably smokes the practice field but doesnt do a whole lot game time except against fairly hapless competition.

I just dont know how a kid spends two years in the system and cant competently play the position. Either he is terribly overrated or he is getting terrible coaching. QBs all over the place are starting by year two and performing.

So what is it?

 

[IrishLax]

chill..

Didn't say I believed it. Just shared the thread.

I said "ha" for a reason after saying they liked Long.

I'm not attacking you in any way, just saying I don't believe that dude for a second.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Not sure it makes sense for PJ to leave. He would have to sit out next year anyways, which would be Book's last year, so what's the point?

He could always say a baseball player called him a Cracker, and play right away


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[Irish YJ]

He could always say a baseball player called him a Cracker, and play right away


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That's exactly what came to mind when I read this yesterday. The attorneys now know exactly how to play the system. The NCAA has been so inconsistent, no way they will stop someone with the right lawyer.

 

[Irish#1]

If this is true...BIG IF...I don't blame him. He SHOULD transfer. His situation has been completely mishandled IMO.

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How do we know this?

This has been an ongoing issue with QBs under BK. The backups get very little real game experience short of handing off the ball late in the 4th quarter. They dont develop.

Look at the schedule. BG, Duke, and Navy game PJ should have been in after halftime or worst case, 1/2 way through the 3rd. Giving the guy two mop up possessions at the end by throwing a couple of four yard passes and handing off the ball doesnt quite cut the mustard.

Keep hearing PJ isnt ready, he isnt ready. How exactly does one get ready? Ian probably smokes the practice field but doesnt do a whole lot game time except against fairly hapless competition.

I just dont know how a kid spends two years in the system and cant competently play the position. Either he is terribly overrated or he is getting terrible coaching. QBs all over the place are starting by year two and performing.

So what is it?

It's pretty common for the starter to get the bulk of the reps and it's not that unusual for a coach to keep the starter in well into the third quarter or later before handing over the reigns. Coaches have said before Phil has struggled with some of the reads. How much is the players fault and how much the coaches? I'm not saying Phil is overrated or a flop, but maybe he is a little overrated. It's a lot easier to star against HS players than it is college.

To the bolded part, it's and interesting thought, but who are they replacing? Lawrence is more of an exception to use as an example, but is the coach biting the bullet and starting the freshman to build for the future? Has the starter he is replacing hit his ceiling? What's the teams record? Lot of variables are taken into consideration.