Protest Erupts In Charlotte

[IrishLax]

What I was getting at LAX was the fact that in that situation, many whom seem to have very strong feelings about many things such as "complying" or the reaction of people to these situations, or even Kaepernick's protest didn't have much to say about it. Just saying I find it strange how tight-lipped we can be in some situations and enraged in others

Yeah, I mean, I think that sort of comes with the territory of it being a non-homogeneous message board. Got a lot of different people on this board from different walks of life. So when Tulsa happened, that day someone posted the incident in that thread and then there were a half dozen posts condemning it... including a few from guys I know you could put into the "pro cop" category. I don't think there's much room for debate on that incident, most agree it looks like murder.

The Charlotte thing... we don't have a lot of facts yet (at least from what I've seen), but the community reaction is eerily similar to Milwaukee. You've got a black cop shooting a black guy, and then destructive/violent rioting, and no one knows yet if the shooting was justified. So I think it elicits a lot of conflicting emotion from a lot of different sides, whereas something like Tulsa is less "controversial" and more clear cut.

Because they know they arent getting jack from the black community. Their best recourse is to raise caine on the white man who history has shown will buckle to stop the fussing and give them more things that they want for free. At which they will run down and start the cycle over again

We have pretty loose standards in the Lep Lounge, but this post is pretty darn offensive on a lot of levels to a lot of people on this board, so I'm going to ask you turn down the rhetoric a bit.

 

[Bluto]

Because they know they arent getting jack from the black community. Their best recourse is to raise caine on the white man who history has shown will buckle to stop the fussing and give them more things that they want for free. At which they will run down and start the cycle over again

Uhmm...how far back in history are we talkin here?

 

[Wild Bill]

Who would have thought a 9mm book could have been the catalyst for this much damage.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I actually agree with everything except the first paragraph. We're in our current state largely because we've abandoned capitalism in favor if some bizarro socialism-corporatism hybrid.

I guess this comes from the points Buster and others including GoIrish41 have been making about unions, standards of livings, etc.

There are actually economies that have produced higher standards of livings than America.

But the joke at your expense, and those of you other young neo-conservatives is, they are all countries that have had older established guilds, and other organizations than the US, (read unions) at multiple professional levels, as well; or have some bizarre socialism-corporatism hybrid, also known as oligarchic capitalistic practices; or are undemocratic or entirely socialistic, in governance.

Don't get me into a conversation about pure capitalism. You will loose. All data shows that the United States, from before its inception shows that the economy built here was done with significantly less capital investment, and more natural resources, including cheap, or even slave labor, than with any other economy in history.

And, for those misguided who can only repeat the mantra free capitalism, I ask you, if we had an economy that only favored this mantra, how would we ever move to a more technically advanced economy, without the pain of warfare requiring advances?

It wouldn't happen. Just as big oil, big coal, etc., are frustrating efforts to develop energy alternatives, we would never move off oil as a fuel source, until it was too late, unless we needed a more efficient alternative to fuel our war machine!

 

[Bishop2b5]

Most schools districts around my area (so i am sure it's like this other places too) have vocational schools (Trade schools). I went and took carpentry when i graduated we got a diploma for both the regular high school along with the vo-tech school. FREE good opportunities to do something.

The trades like welding,plumbing,electric, auto tech,auto body work,cad were classes that when you graduated you were also a certified tech in that area. I know people that graduated in the electric class and were making very good money the summer they graduated. And to my knowledge no one was ever turned away while i there. Not sure how things have changed with the population.


But this also brings up a point that you can't force someone to want to learn.

Yeah, the tech/vocational route is absolutely a viable option and offered for free at most high schools or available for very low cost at tech schools & community colleges virtually everywhere in the country. My dad took every "shop" class available when he was in HS and then used those skills to work as a mechanic and electrician to fund his college education. When he & my mom built their first house a few years later, they saved almost half the cost of doing so because Dad was able to frame it, plumb it, wire it, and do a lot of the other stuff himself.

Another good option for anyone who wants to improve their lot is driving school. Getting a CDL takes less than 2 months. Most driving schools have programs where major trucking companies will pay for your training in exchange for you working for them for 6-12 months afterwards. You can go from broke to making $800-1000/wk in 60 days. You can become a certified welder making $1000/wk in a few months by taking classes at the local tech school/community college. There are all sorts of such opportunities if you're willing to work hard and take advantage of them.

 

[wizards8507]

And, for those misguided who can only repeat the mantra free capitalism, I ask you, if we had an economy that only favored this mantra, how would we ever move to a more technically advanced economy, without the pain of warfare requiring advances?

The profit motive? Making something that people need / want / desire?

 

[wizards8507]

The Charlotte thing... we don't have a lot of facts yet (at least from what I've seen), but the community reaction is eerily similar to Milwaukee. You've got a black cop shooting a black guy, and then destructive/violent rioting, and no one knows yet if the shooting was justified. So I think it elicits a lot of conflicting emotion from a lot of different sides, whereas something like Tulsa is less "controversial" and more clear cut.

What's unfortunate is that the agitators, including the Kaepernicks of the world, are using the clear cut, definitely bad shootings and conflating them with the ambiguous and outright justified shootings. This entire BLM movement started with the "hands up, don't shoot" lie in Ferguson. I suspect that many of these protesters still think Michael Brown was executed as he tried to surrender to police. What disgusts me the most is that the Democrat Party is inciting lies and racial hatred as an official piece of their campaign.

Maybe I can, by speaking directly to white people, say, 'Look, this is not who we are.' We have to do everything possible to improve policing, to go right at implicit bias.

 

[wizards8507]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CharlotteProtest?src=hash">#CharlotteProtest</a> Beating man begging for mercy in parking garage. <a href="https://twitter.com/AC360">@AC360</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/seanhannity">@seanhannity</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BretBaier">@BretBaier</a> Credit:Lenard Bennett (facebook) <a href="https://twitter.com/ncnaacp">@ncnaacp</a> <a href="https://t.co/YWHEU2UV1n">pic.twitter.com/YWHEU2UV1n</a></p>— Libertarian Queen (@LibertarianQn) <a href="https://twitter.com/LibertarianQn/status/778845840496594944">September 22, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="it" dir="ltr">Protestors rush into souvenir store in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Charlotte?src=hash">#Charlotte</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CharlotteRiots?src=hash">#CharlotteRiots</a> <a href="https://t.co/r0KmeyTkTs">pic.twitter.com/r0KmeyTkTs</a></p>— myrcat (@Myrna_Perez) <a href="https://twitter.com/Myrna_Perez/status/778828207030239232">September 22, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[IrishLax]

What's unfortunate is that the agitators, including the Kaepernicks of the world, are using the clear cut, definitely bad shootings and conflating them with the ambiguous and outright justified shootings. This entire BLM movement started with the "hands up, don't shoot" lie in Ferguson. I suspect that many of these protesters still think Michael Brown was executed as he tried to surrender to police. What disgusts me the most is that the Democrat Party is inciting lies and racial hatred as an official piece of their campaign.

Well, it's easy to understand when their $23 billion dollar financier openly supports race riots and is betting on the collapse of the United States.

 

[Voltaire]

And, for those misguided who can only repeat the mantra free capitalism, I ask you, if we had an economy that only favored this mantra, how would we ever move to a more technically advanced economy, without the pain of warfare requiring advances?

It wouldn't happen. Just as big oil, big coal, etc., are frustrating efforts to develop energy alternatives, we would never move off oil as a fuel source, until it was too late, unless we needed a more efficient alternative to fuel our war machine!

This entire quote is massively non-sensical to the point where your ability to have rational thoughts I find to be seriously in question. The point at which you say war machine you're still taking yourself seriously? This is the kind of thought process that leads a country into taking a path to devolve into Venezuela while saying the whole time, "No this is totally fine. The path of free markets and technological innovation is equivalent to the WAR MACHINE. We're destroying our own society like Venezuela, but at least we're doing it equitably."

Hmm ok let's just take a look at incredible advances in technology started by folks that are not funded by THE WAR MACHINE... Google, Uber, Microsoft, Jonas Salk and countless vaccines, Apple, Amazon, Intel, Cisco, AirBnB, Snapchat, SpaceX, Tesla, SolarCity, Dropbox, WeWork, Spotify, Square, Spotify, BitCoin, SAP, SAS, Domo, Twilio, and literally tens of thousands of other awesome businesses built purely from the desire of their founders for innovation, advancement, and some profit...

I see constant innovation all the time in my field of work, and none of it has to do with THE WAR MACHINE. It's all driven by very bright people building better products to better serve their clients through constant, ongoing technological innovation.

The thing is, I don't think that anything that I or someone who thinks like me could say that would possibly resonate with you, and I know that there are at least tens of millions of people in this country who have your same line of thought. This is why I'm legitimately afraid for the U.S. because we're going to just end up heading into some death spiral as a country that folks like you are going to rationalize as either caused by TEH WAR MACHINE or for which you're going to see people violently looting and destroying all of our social institutions and principles that make this country great and say, "Because we are an imperfect human society that does not match some non-existent utopian standard, burning this whole thing to the ground so all we are left with is violence and poverty for all is totally reasonable and justified." That's where that rationale ultimately leads.

 

[ACamp1900]

This entire quote is massively non-sensical to the point where your ability to have rational thoughts I find to be seriously in question.

Should have stopped there.

 

[gkIrish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not until 16th paragraph of today's story re Charlotte's violent protests, did NY Times note police officer who killed black man was black.</p>— Peter Vecsey (@PeterVecsey1) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeterVecsey1/status/778962189738737665">September 22, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This pretty much sums up the problem with the media.

If the cop is white, it's in the headline. If he is black, it's in the 16th paragraph.

Until the rhetoric changes, this will keep happening.

 

[RDU Irish]

If you are at a party and it gets violent, do you stick around or clear out? Put your shirt on and go home folks. It is not your "right" to stand in the middle of the street yelling at people. Exactly what solution to the problem are these people presenting? Anarchy?

 

[ACamp1900]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not until 16th paragraph of today's story re Charlotte's violent protests, did NY Times note police officer who killed black man was black.</p>— Peter Vecsey (@PeterVecsey1) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeterVecsey1/status/778962189738737665">September 22, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This pretty much sums up the problem with the media.

If the cop is white, it's in the headline. If he is black, it's in the 16th paragraph.

Until the rhetoric changes, this will keep happening.

Imagine if he had been a Republican...

 

[wizards8507]

If you are at a party and it gets violent, do you stick around or clear out? Put your shirt on and go home folks. It is not your "right" to stand in the middle of the street yelling at people. Exactly what solution to the problem are these people presenting? Anarchy?

They're not even protesting a problem. Nominally, the protest is about racist cops killing black people for no reason. The shooting in Charlotte was a black cop and a justified shooting, so neither racism nor bad policing.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Keep up the rioting, looting, and violence you morons. Making the rest of us look bad. If you don't like the Charlotte cops, wait till the National Guard comes rolling in.

 

[Irish#1]

Rebuilding of schools; fixing toxic water systems and other infrastructure; refurbishing run-down housing; fixing roads and bridges; opening of youth centers ... there are numerous things that we could do to improve the condiitions, opportunities, education of poor people.

Before the Super Bowl was held in Indy, part of the agreement was that a new public use youth center with all of the amenities including education rooms and a football field with turf would be built. One of the SB teams used it for their practices. It was built next to Tech HS which historically has the highest drop out rate of any HS school in Indiana. Stats show that nothing has changed in the last eight years.

I understand where you're coming from, but as the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."

 

[ACamp1900]

As a former teacher, I question how much impact our current (k-12) educational system can even have... It's pretty FUBAR.

 

[IrishBroker]

As a former teacher, I question how much impact our current (k-12) educational system can even have... It's pretty FUBAR.

Don't you see!!!!??? We just need to keep throwing more money at it!

 

[ginman]

I've got 10 million vbucks to contribute! Who will match me?

 

[ulukinatme]

I've got 10 million vbucks to contribute! Who will match me?

You've got 250 million, obviously you don't really want to fix the problem!

 

[calvegas04]

from everything I have seen and read blm is a supremacist group

 

[GATTACA!]

Keep up the rioting, looting, and violence you morons. Making the rest of us look bad. If you don't like the Charlotte cops, wait till the National Guard comes rolling in.

The best part is that after this is all over those are the same morons that will bitch and complain about how their community is a shit hole. Well yeah keep destroying everything around you and that's going to be the outcome 10/10 times.

 

[connor_in]

Before the Super Bowl was held in Indy, part of the agreement was that a new public use youth center with all of the amenities including education rooms and a football field with turf would be built. One of the SB teams used it for their practices. It was built next to Tech HS which historically has the highest drop out rate of any HS school in Indiana. Stats show that nothing has changed in the last eight years.

I understand where you're coming from, but as the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."

Check your privilege...you are not better than the horse, do not lead it anywhere...then you want to force water down its throat...waterboarding???? Oh no you didn't!!!!!

 

[kmoose]

And, for those misguided who can only repeat the mantra free capitalism, I ask you, if we had an economy that only favored this mantra, how would we ever move to a more technically advanced economy, without the pain of warfare requiring advances?

Committing to going to the moon did a pretty good job....

 

[GoIrish41]

Committing to going to the moon did a pretty good job....

No government investment there.

 

[kmoose]

No government investment there.

That wasn't the question.

 

[IrishBroker]

No government investment there.

True. But the ideas come from individuals.

And the best innovation is from the private sector.

 

[wizards8507]

No government investment there.

iPhone

 

[GoIrish41]

iPhone

Some of its best features access government generated technologies -- GPS, fingerprint readers, the Internet are just a few examples. Not saying iPhone was not innovative, but "they didn't make that by themselves."