Political Correctness thread

[connor_in]

CUNY law students explain what protesters meant when they said ‘f**k the law’ at conservative speech

 

[ACamp1900]

Also, it's sort of weird to see the "free speech" right twisting themselves into a hypocritical pretzel here.

Yes and no... it is strange but I understand why... I can speak my mind on anything I want at work so long as it aligns with the left, if it doesn't I constantly have to watch myself or simply keep my mouth shut and it's not imagined. That's what drives the right nuts, the group think has so completely won the war of ideas in this world that it's not right vs left or big gov vs small gov or whatever, it's good vs. evil and evil has no place at the table,... but don't be a bigot, or something.

 

[IrishLion]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7764634aff54

“Ladies’ lingerie.” It was a lame, outmoded joke — the sort of thing you say in a crowded elevator to alleviate the discomfort of being jammed among strangers, an artifact of the days of fancy department stores with operators announcing the floor stops.

Those two words — the speaker remembers saying “ladies’ lingerie,” a passenger who was offended recalls hearing “women’s lingerie” — have turned into the latest exemplar in the academy of political correctness gone wild.

The episode, which has not been previously reported, occurred last month in San Francisco at the annual meeting of the International Studies Association. Richard Ned Lebow, a professor of political theory at King’s College London and the 2014 recipient of ISA’s distinguished scholar award, made the remark after someone in his elevator called out to ask for floor requests.

Simona Sharoni, professor of women’s and gender studies at Merrimack College in Massachusetts, took offense. As she recounted in a formal complaint lodged less than four hours later, Lebow “said, with a smile on his face, ‘women’s lingerie,’ and all his buddies laughed. After they walked out, the woman standing next to me turned to me and said, ‘I wonder if we should have told them that it is no longer acceptable to make these jokes!’ It took me a while to figure out that this man thought it was funny to make a reference to men shopping for lingerie while attending an academic conference. I am still trying to come to terms with the fact that we froze and didn’t confront him. . . . As a survivor of sexual harassment in the academy, I am quite shaken by this incident.”

 

[connor_in]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7764634aff54

Saw this story yesterday. Proof that you are not allowed to say anything, even a joke, unless directed at a supposedly powerful identity group.

The other item I found interesting poking around on the internet yesterday...
last week there was an uproar after a girl posted some prom pics of herself and friends and she was lovely in a older Asian style and print dress. Then an Asian guy gets his internet muscles up and posts...

Luckily, while he got some support, it tended to ebb quickly especially when pointed out the the same guy has a tendency to use cultural appropriation himself with urban culture...

I was glad to see this come back on the guy, but it has not always been the case as cultural appropriation seems to be a thing to be offended by now. There was also a backlash on Cinco de Mayo celebrations too.

However, this week we had the Met Gala where it was Catholic inspired dress.

Celebrities dress in Catholic-inspired outfits for Met Gala 2018

I personally find most of the outfits tacky (yes I am Catholic), but don't even think about going down the cultural appropriation offensesensitivity route. Although I hope none of those stars who dressed up complains one iota about future potential cultural appropriation occurrences.

 

[IrishLax]

Saw this story yesterday. Proof that you are not allowed to say anything, even a joke, unless directed at a supposedly powerful identity group.

The other item I found interesting poking around on the internet yesterday...
last week there was an uproar after a girl posted some prom pics of herself and friends and she was lovely in a older Asian style and print dress. Then an Asian guy gets his internet muscles up and posts...

Luckily, while he got some support, it tended to ebb quickly especially when pointed out the the same guy has a tendency to use cultural appropriation himself with urban culture...

The funny part about this was that people in China were like "uhhhh wait why are we supposed to be offended?"... it's just totally fake outrage to seem morally superior that a lot of American Millenials and Gen Z seem to be in love with.

 

[ACamp1900]

The whole idea of cultural appropriation is so stupid anyway... we are told by the same people who throw that around that we are all one, should celebrate our differences, don’t paint with broad strokes, love everyone... but don’t DARE do, say, wear or be anyth8ng we deem of another culture... it’s crazy.

 

[ACamp1900]

...professor of women’s and gender studies in Massachusetts,

Because of course she would be,... the above is pretty much a template for ‘miserable person’...

 

[greyhammer90]

The whole idea of cultural appropriation is so stupid anyway... we are told by the same people who throw that around that we are all one, should celebrate our differences, don’t paint with broad strokes, love everyone... but don’t DARE do, say, wear or be anyth8ng we deem of another culture... it’s crazy.

To be fair that's a bit of a strawman of cultural appropriation. I eyeroll as much as the next guy about people who get angry at white people owning a taco stand, or that Chinese prom dress fiasco, but that doesn't mean that all complaints of cultural appropriation are built equally. Cultural appropriation is an inherently neutral term for one culture taking something from another culture, but like anything there are ways to do it poor taste, and not in a "I'm seeing a minor transgression to my sensibilities and am SO triggered right now" way:

 

[zelezo vlk]

Like the friggin' Italians trying to make Westerns.

 

[dublinirish]

Like the friggin' Italians trying to make Westerns.

or americans making pizza?

 

[ACamp1900]

To be fair that's a bit of a strawman of cultural appropriation. I eyeroll as much as the next guy about people who get angry at white people owning a taco stand, or that Chinese prom dress fiasco, but that doesn't mean that all complaints of cultural appropriation are built equally. Cultural appropriation is an inherently neutral term for one culture taking something from another culture, but like anything there are ways to do it poor taste, and not in a "I'm seeing a minor transgression to my sensibilities and am SO triggered right now" way:

I’d say poor taste is poor taste... maybe I just worded it poorly.... the same people leading the charge over the dress (just for example) are the same ones that shove diversity initiatives and celebrations down everyones throats... do you want us all to ‘coexist’ or nah? Because ultimately, this is what it looks like.

 

[greyhammer90]

or americans making pizza?

Oh are we trying to get banned today?

 

[zelezo vlk]

or americans making pizza?

Or Irishmen coming over and stealing our damn jobs!

 

[ACamp1900]

Like the friggin' Italians trying to make Westerns.

 

[Bishop2b5]

This whole cultural appropriation thing is gonna end with someone telling me I can't play blues anymore and then some nasty business is gonna go down.

 

[ACamp1900]

This whole cultural appropriation thing is gonna end with someone telling me I can't play blues anymore and then some nasty business is gonna go down.

You can't play blues anymore....

 

[GowerND11]

Or Irishmen coming over and stealing our damn jobs!

I'll make your head softer than your arse!

 

[greyhammer90]

You can't play blues anymore....

Oh shit the madman.

 

[dublinirish]

Or Irishmen coming over and stealing our damn jobs!

haha ya got me.

 

[Bishop2b5]

You can't play blues anymore....

I'll beat you half to death with a guitar, bro.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'll beat you half to death with a guitar, bro.

Did you just assume my gender??

 

[dshans]

I personally find most of the outfits tacky (yes I am Catholic), but don't even think about going down the cultural appropriation offensesensitivity route.

My "offensesensitivity" was based on taste, not religious or cultural reasons.

"Tacky" is far too kind a descriptor.

 

[Irish YJ]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/05/us/miss-america-swimsuit-trnd/index.html

no more bathing suits.... wonder how this will translate in the ratings....

Miss America will be a competition, not a pageant, Carlson said on the show Tuesday.
"We will no longer judge our candidates on their outward physical appearance. That's huge," she said.
Carlson also said the new Miss America competition will be more inclusive to women of "all shapes and sizes."

 

[IrishLax]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/05/us/miss-america-swimsuit-trnd/index.html

no more bathing suits.... wonder how this will translate in the ratings....

I've never, ever watched a beauty pageant but I can promise you that nobody wants to watch a bunch of random, nondescript people answer questions and do a talent show. If they wanted that they'd turn on Meet the Press or America's Got Talent. Literally the entire point of a beauty pageant is to pick a beautiful person... that also has other good traits. Being "inclusive" of ugly people or trying to tone down the pretty makes literally no sense on any level.

 

[Irish YJ]

I've never, ever watched a beauty pageant but I can promise you that nobody wants to watch a of random, nondescript people answer questions and do a talent show. If they wanted that they'd turn on Meet the Press or America's Got Talent. Literally the entire point of a beauty pageant is to pick a beautiful person... that also has other good traits. Being "inclusive" of ugly people or trying to tone down the pretty makes literally no sense on any level.

I think I watched one as a kid back in the late 70s or early 80s. I too have trouble finding the sense in this. If they are now truly inclusive of all body shapes and sizes, it's probably a good thing they are getting rid of the bikinis....

 

[ulukinatme]

PC Culture is ruining everything. There was no reason for this, it's over the top. Next phase the women will all be only wearing business suits because the evening gowns will be sexist too. Might as well have the contestants answer Jeopardy questions at this point and watch them struggle, it would be more entertaining.

 

[Rogue219]

I was told over Memorial Day weekend you can't say "stupid" anymore.

I'd say about 90% of people I encounter are stupid, so this is going to be a huge fucking problem.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Next on Fox...Live from Little Rock is the next great American competition. Gone are the bikini's as we welcome English Lit discourse to find out which of these fine women capture you heart and personify today's American Woman. The Miss Diabesity pageant is next!!

 

[ulukinatme]

I was told over Memorial Day weekend you can't say "stupid" anymore.

I'd say about 90% of people I encounter are stupid, so this is going to be a huge fucking problem.

That is certainly over the mark, there is plenty of stupidity that needs to be called out today.

In a related topic, there's something that's irked me lately. Back in the 90s it was popular to say everything was "retarded" if you didn't like something or you felt a concept was stupid. That was a case where PC culture got something right, and people generally drifted away from saying that. Today "retarded" has morphed into "austistic," so when someone is being stupid the kids today ask "Are you autistic? Do you have autism?" Now THAT is truly stupid...I completely don't get the thought process: "Well, I can't say retarded anymore, so I'll say autistic...that's certainly better."

I'm not one to play the offended role, and I'm probably a little biased as my son is autistic, but it just makes me ask...why is that any better? Quite frankly the only reason I find it offensive is because my son is pretty awesome, he's quite bright and a very sweet boy, and it's sad that some stupid, insensitive millennial is being compared to him. It's meant as a put down, but quite frankly I'd think higher of these twats if they were in fact autistic...they'd probably have far more redeeming qualities (I'm referring of course to the person giving the insult, not the person being bullied/insulted).

 

[connor_in]

I was told over Memorial Day weekend you can't say "stupid" anymore.

I'd say about 90% of people I encounter are stupid, so this is going to be a huge fucking problem.

I hear feckless c**t is acceptable now.