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military_irish said:
The specific play pointed out was in regards to Studstill missing the tackle on the touchdown. As a safety how often do they engage in shedding blocks and in the meat of the plays on defense? Serious question. Looking at the stats he only had 6 total tackles.

I understand what you are saying especially if it was a LB or DL but does the secondary really get that physically beat up continuously like the front seven would?
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Luckylucci said:
No, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I was explaining that it more than likely isn't his cardiovascular fatigue that is the issue. He's a 190 lb. freshman S. Longo has had 8 months with him, and he's expected to play 67 snaps against P5 competition. That's quite a lot to ask on all parties. That's what Kelly is explaining. Now if this was taking place with Juniors and Seniors, which some think it is, then that's the issue. This wouldn't be a good example of that, that's all.
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PANDFAN said:
don't forget though he is also on special teams....just because you don't make a tackle doesn't mean that he isn't getting blocked , running from sideline to sideline
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I got the impression that Kelly might have been talking about mental fatigue on that particular play. Devin is the last line of defense, and yet he bit on the run, which he had no business doing with a receiver running deep. That's a mental lapse that might occur when a guy is getting worn down, even though he's in-shape enough to keep running and tackling.
 
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I don't usually watch the Tuesday presser. Does WatchND typically show a replay of it? I am interested in this one.
 
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IrishLion said:
I got the impression that Kelly might have been talking about mental fatigue on that particular play. Devin is the last line of defense, and yet he bit on the run, which he had no business doing with a receiver running deep. That's a mental lapse that might occur when a guy is getting worn down, even though he's in-shape enough to keep running and tackling.
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definitely! the central nervous system is being fatigued greatly by the physical aspect which is going to slow down the processing of info...which for inexperienced players, this is often why they are not generally counted on early...he also happens to be both inexperienced and your safety valve...you get tired, you are not able to process and react properly
 
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Irishman77 said:
Kelly initiated firing and reached out to Swarwick for his blessing
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Irish Insanity said:
I call bullshit. Not buying it
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gkIrish said:
It is bull.
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I don't know if he did or didn't BUT he would be stupid if he didn't.

This is Notre Dame not the NFL, BVG's contract was NOT with Kelly. It was with Notre Dame. And a Notre Dame coach does not have the control that an NFL coach does. Further how many years were left on BVG's contract? He was in his third year at ND. What liability did ND have firing BVG in mid-season? That's why you check with the AD.

When Bob Davie let Joe Moore go, he didn't consult the Athletic Department first. He told Moore that he was too old. Davie dodged the real issue and gave Moore what he thought was a more polite reason. Moore sued for age discrimination. It's the law. Had Davie told someone in a administrative capacity, it would have been a red flag and avoided an unnecessary, expensive, and embarrassing lawsuit. "Whoa, you can't do that without exposing ND to a lawsuit!" They would have asked what were the real reasons. Moore should have been fired for retiring on the job while drawing a full salary, dodging coaches meetings or showing up late, failure to recruit, AND undermining the authority of his former boss, Lou Holtz.
 
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BGIF said:
I don't know if he did or didn't BUT he would be stupid if he didn't.

This is Notre Dame not the NFL, BVG's contract was NOT with Kelly. It was with Notre Dame. And a Notre Dame coach does not have the control that an NFL coach does. Further how many years were left on BVG's contract? He was in his third year at ND. What liability did ND have firing BVG in mid-season? That's why you check with the AD.

When Bob Davie let Joe Moore go, he didn't consult the Athletic Department first. He told Moore that he was too old. Davie dodged the real issue and gave Moore what he thought was a more polite reason. Moore sued for age discrimination. It's the law. Had Davie told someone in a administrative capacity, it would have been a red flag and avoided an unnecessary, expensive, and embarrassing lawsuit. "Whoa, you can't do that without exposing ND to a lawsuit!" They would have asked what were the real reasons. Moore should have been fired for retiring on the job while drawing a full salary, dodging coaches meetings or showing up late, failure to recruit, AND undermining the authority of his former boss, Lou Holtz.
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I wasn't saying he didn't consult with Jack first. I am saying Jack made the decision himself.
 
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BGIF said:
I agree with the fire and intensity but in a week does the defense suddenly take correct pursuit angles and make tackles they missed in the first 4 games?

Does the highly touted LB (an AA on this board) start making TFLs instead of tackles 5 or 6 yds into ND territory?

Do the DE's suddenly demonstrate that first step burst that blows by OLs and creates sacks?

Does the Secondary which has been playing largely a collection of second stringers because of suspension and injuries suddenly reduce their 40 time by a tenth or three to keep up with WRs?

Does a CB still abandon coverage to bull rush a QB running wide on a QB option, where the QB correctly reads the faux pas and flips a short pass to the suddenly uncovered receiver for a score?

And does Hudson's presence on the sidelines stimulate Special Teams integrity on Kick-off coverage or the OLine's blocking on place kicks and punts, or the OLine start making holes for the "3 headed monster" to run wild?
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I hear you! I'm interested to see how our defense responds. Hopefully we see enough improvement in the next few weeks to salvage a very disappointing season. Just glad that BVG is gone.
 
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ThePiombino said:
Like Koon asked, if this your opinion or are you basing this on some inside knowledge?
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I already said I didn't stutter.

Bogs or someone like that said it first. I have heard the same thing.

Additionally, why would you praise your coaching staff 2 days before you decide to fire them? You don't gain anything by doing so.
 
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gkIrish said:
I already said I didn't stutter.

Bogs or someone like that said it first. I have heard the same thing.

Additionally, why would you praise your coaching staff 2 days before you decide to fire them? You don't gain anything by doing so.
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Well that seems like a pretty crucial point. If he hadn't decided to fire him yet, he had nothing to gain by trashing him.
 
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gkIrish said:
I already said I didn't stutter.

Bogs or someone like that said it first. I have heard the same thing.

Additionally, why would you praise your coaching staff 2 days before you decide to fire them? You don't gain anything by doing so.
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Happens all the time.
 
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greyhammer90 said:
Well that seems like a pretty crucial point. If he hadn't decided to fire him yet, he had nothing to gain by trashing him.
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He had nothing to gain by trashing his players (again) either but he did that, too. I realize that is nonresponsive just had to get it in.
 
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gkIrish said:
I'm just saying the evidence we have points to him not making the decision and I've heard it from an inside source and so have others.
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I am not saying that you are wrong, but coaches, GM's, AD's, team owners, etc often give glowing endorsements of people that they fire the next day.

I really don't care of BK did it or if JS forced BK to do it. I am glad he is gone and I hope it gives some spark to this defense...
 
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We already have a thread dedicated to BVG getting fired. Can we get this thread back on track? What's the best way to go about beating the Orangemen? The guys on ISD Power Hour were saying that Kelly needs to go gunslinger. Come out firing with the pass game and just try to out-score Syracuse. Have the defensive play basic and don't get too complex. Keep the foot on the gas and expect our horses to outrun Syracuse's. It's not ideal, but it's ND's best shot, IMO.
 
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I would love to match tempo with tempo. Though, for whatever reason, Kelly has been reluctant to do that. Kizer looks damn near unstoppable while running the 2 minute drill.
 
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zelezo vlk said:
I would love to match tempo with tempo. Though, for whatever reason, Kelly has been reluctant to do that. Kizer looks damn near unstoppable while running the 2 minute drill.
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True. I hope Kizer can play that way for 4 quarters. Or at least for the first half so that the Irish can build up a decent enough lead that they can slow it down with some runs. Provided the runs can move the chains.
 
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i dont recall any players getting trashed on. can someone provide me quotes?
 
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Wait a minute...we play Syracuse this week? I thought the season was over.

31-10 ND thumps 'em.
 
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gkIrish said:
Shocking.
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I'm tired of people claiming to have inside knowledge.

And your animosity toward Brian Kelly is pretty well immortalized on this board. So what's "Shocking" is that you think that Kelly didn't make the decision to fire BVG.

If Kelly called Swarbrick to talk about it, but didn't make the final decision, then that says that someone other than Brian Kelly could have fired VanGorder last year. I don't recall you complaining about anyone else not firing the guy? Your inside source didn't tell you about that?
 
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kmoose said:
I'm tired of people claiming to have inside knowledge.

And your animosity toward Brian Kelly is pretty well immortalized on this board. So what's "Shocking" is that you think that Kelly didn't make the decision to fire BVG.

If Kelly called Swarbrick to talk about it, but didn't make the final decision, then that says that someone other than Brian Kelly could have fired VanGorder last year. I don't recall you complaining about anyone else not firing the guy? Your inside source didn't tell you about that?
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If you were paying attention my first post after BVG was fired was "Respect to Kelly." I made at least one other post after that praising him.

I found out Monday that wasn't the case.

And um, yes, someone else could have fired BVG last year. Shame on Jack for not doing it earlier and shame on BK for not doing it before this season. Lots of blame to go around.
 
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