Nov 7 | Clemson

[koonja]

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Insubordinate is a bad word for it. Whatever word you want to use for not doing your due diligence.

 

[greyhammer90]

Insubordinate is a bad word for it. Whatever word you want to use for not doing your due diligence.

Negligent is the word you're looking for.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I'd like to think Jack is making notes of this BYE week disadvantage, along with the bowl tie in, and the money in the BIG 10 and will have great leveraging ability when we're "free" again.

If he's not, he's insubordinate.

Negligent maybe? I doubt Jack is that.

As far as conference alignment, I am pretty sure that Jack is all over what is in the best interest of Notre Dame and will cover his bases. There are positives and negatives to joining a conference. My question was if Notre Dame were to ultimately join a conference, would they consider the B1G as an alternative to the ACC.... especially given the tv deals that are expiring and which networks are aligning themselves to specific conferences. Would it benefit Notre Dame more financially to remain independent, finally align with the ACC, or consider the B1G? I am sure Jack has high level talks frequently about all of this.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Mods,

My apologies for getting away from the intent of this thread. Maybe a better fit for a different thread.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Negligent maybe? I doubt Jack is that.

As far as conference alignment, I am pretty sure that Jack is all over what is in the best interest of Notre Dame and will cover his bases. There are positives and negatives to joining a conference. My question was if Notre Dame were to ultimately join a conference, would they consider the B1G as an alternative to the ACC.... especially given the tv deals that are expiring and which networks are aligning themselves to specific conferences. Would it benefit Notre Dame more financially to remain independent, finally align with the ACC, or consider the ACC? I am sure Jack has high level talks frequently about all of this.

I expect the most important thing (in the current media rights landscape) is for ND to be on as many televisions in as many regions as possible. The drawback to being full ACC members is they will have a harder time getting games in other regions but it might be able to do this and keep its TV independence. The B1G will allow for neither of these things. For that reason, I expect ND to be an ACC or Big 12 member if it ever comes to that because those conferences would be more willing to compromise.

But really, I think the changing media landscape will make independence easier, not more difficult. ESPN lost 13% of its households from 2011 to 2017. I can't find more recent numbers. Right now cable and regional carriage fees are the 300 lb. gorilla for college football revenue but won't be forever.

 

[stlnd01]

I expect the most important thing (in the current media rights landscape) is for ND to be on as many televisions in as many regions as possible. The drawback to being full ACC members is they will have a harder time getting games in other regions but it might be able to do this and keep its TV independence. The B1G will allow for neither of these things. For that reason, I expect ND to be an ACC or Big 12 member if it ever comes to that because those conferences would be more willing to compromise.

But really, I think the changing media landscape will make independence easier, not more difficult. ESPN lost 13% of its households from 2011 to 2017. I can't find more recent numbers. Right now cable and regional carriage fees are the 300 lb. gorilla for college football revenue but won't be forever.

Agreed. The ACC gives Notre Dame access to the entire Eastern Seaboard from Boston to Miami. And by virtue of being a high-profile program located in the Midwest they’ll continue to have good exposure in Big Ten country, even if they’re not Big Ten members.
If they have to join a conference the ACC is smarter. The Big Ten regionalizes them as a Midwestern school while the ACC gives them the whole Northeast, Carolinas, even Atlanta and Florida. If they can maintain their California rivalries, even better. I don’t think Notre Dame ever joins the Big 12. There’s not as many ND people in that part of the country, and you’re always second fiddle to Texas.

But I tend to agree that independence will get easier. More schools are going to want to play marquee opponents (like ND), an eight-team playoff seems inevitable (and easier for ND to make) and the conference-driven TV money feels like it has peaked.

 

[Legacy]

RollBamaRoll has an article that starts off with how bad the ACC conference is and then says that the ACC schedule-makers gave every advantage to Clemson.

FWIW, an excerpt

And, friends, in a sport renowned for conference brass oft-playing favorites (looking at you Bob Bowlsby and Texas and Oklahoma), you will rarely find a deck stacked as much as the one the ACC handed Clemson today with its conference scheduling.

Let’s count the ways, shall we?

- First, Clemson plays one team (and perhaps two), that will be ranked in the preseason — Notre Dame. Clemson received a bye before it faces the Irish in this de facto conference game. Wanna’ guess if Notre Dame receives such a bye? You’re right — they don’t.

- The Tigers open their home conference schedule against the second team of any note — the Louisville Cardinals. Surprise! Owing to the holiday schedule, the ACC just happens to give the Tigers 9 days to prep for Scott Satterfield’s high-scoring unit! Yes, the Cards have a 9-day break as well, but, if there were any sort of difficulty curve, this one is heavily weighted for Brent Venables, who is a well-known wizard when given any extra time.

- But, what about Virginia, you might ask? They could be ranked. They play the Tigers too. Indeed, the Cavs do — as the 4th game of a five-game opening swing that has no bye and includes Georgia and a road trip to Clemson.

- And, we save the best for last: Clemson plays no ACC teams coming off a bye. Not one. I think we all know that familiarity not only breeds contempt, but when pared with an extra week of rest also breeds unexpected losses. The ACC took absolutely no chances on that happening this year. If the ACC is to have a rep in the big money Playoffs, then all the hopes of this league of has-beens, never-weres, dopey bagmen, and juiced up hayseeds are pinned upon the Clemson Tigers.

Source

 

[Whiskeyjack]

RollBamaRoll has an article that starts off with how bad the ACC conference is and then says that the ACC schedule-makers gave every advantage to Clemson.

FWIW, an excerpt

Source

It's strange the find sympathy for the Irish in a post laced with venom toward another program.

 

[phork]

Why exactly is ND halfway in bed with the ACC?

Exposure on the East Coast.

Is there a reason why the Irish would not consider joining the B1G at some point? The way the upcoming tv deals are playing out, it appears the SEC and the B1G are going to have the market cornered for CFB.

Why? I would rather join the ACC then stuck in the midwest.

It's strange the find sympathy for the Irish in a post laced with venom toward another program.

Crazy world these days..

 

[NDRock]

Why exactly is ND halfway in bed with the ACC?

Gave our Olympic sports a home. As for football, it greatly improved our scheduling while still retaining some independence. I think it has worked out very well overall. Not sure how long it will last.

 

[stlnd01]

It's strange the find sympathy for the Irish in a post laced with venom toward another program.

The enemy of your enemy is your friend. And these days Clemson is a much bigger enemy to the SEC than we are.

 

[Irish8248]

Why do we care about a bye week? ND is pretty good with scheduling a bye before a big game

 

[D-BOE34]

2021: Florida State, Wisconsin, USC
2022: Clemson, USC, Ohio State
2023: Clemson, USC, Ohio State
2024: A&M, USC, Miami, Florida State

I believe by 2021 and going forward, all of these teams will be consistent in the top 25. When you look at that and then can always lean on one or two others throughout each year to be better than expected, ND is set from a schedule standpoint to get into the playoffs as it is right now. It all comes down to if ND is a team that deserves to play for the title that year. We will have plenty of opportunity to show we belong as long as we handle our business. I don't see a need to join a conference unless some rule is in play that you must win a CC to get in. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

 

[BobbyMac]

Is there a reason why the Irish would not consider joining the B1G at some point? The way the upcoming tv deals are playing out, it appears the SEC and the B1G are going to have the market cornered for CFB.

Per B1G guidlines, ND doesn't qualify for admission. They are not an AAU member.

Plus... stop worrying about it and just ride it out a few more years. The P5's and few select teams (ND and some major market G5's) are going to walk on the NCAA. It is just a matter of time.

 

[greyhammer90]

Per B1G guidlines, ND doesn't qualify for admission. They are not an AAU member.

Plus... stop worrying about it and just ride it out a few more years. The P5's and few select teams (ND and some major market G5's) are going to walk on the NCAA. It is just a matter of time.

Yep. In the old days I think ND would've stood by the NCAA, but after the vacated seasons I think ND will happily tell the NCAA to pound sand.

 

[Circa]

Why do we care about a bye week? ND is pretty good with scheduling a bye before a big game

Yea. Navy? Come on man. The ACC is doing things to not only help their own scheduling but to get an advantage because we aren't full members.
I just wish we would drop them in all sports... sometimes

 

[Circa]

Yep. In the old days I think ND would've stood by the NCAA, but after the vacated seasons I think ND will happily tell the NCAA to pound sand.

John B. “Jack” Swarbrick Jr Is the MAN!

 

[Circa]

The enemy of your enemy is your friend. And these days Clemson is a much bigger enemy to the SEC than we are.

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[pumpdog20]

Per B1G guidlines, ND doesn't qualify for admission. They are not an AAU member.

Plus... stop worrying about it and just ride it out a few more years. The P5's and few select teams (ND and some major market G5's) are going to walk on the NCAA. It is just a matter of time.

Nebraska isn't an AAU school.

 

[BobbyMac]

Nebraska isn't an AAU school.

They were when they were admitted.

They were kicked out based on a formula that discounts ag research dollars coupled with the fact their med school is not on campus, but at their extension in Omaha.

 

[ThePiombino]

Per B1G guidlines, ND doesn't qualify for admission. They are not an AAU member.

Plus... stop worrying about it and just ride it out a few more years. The P5's and few select teams (ND and some major market G5's) are going to walk on the NCAA. It is just a matter of time.

Yep. In the old days I think ND would've stood by the NCAA, but after the vacated seasons I think ND will happily tell the NCAA to pound sand.

Hope so!

 

[Irishize]

RollBamaRoll has an article that starts off with how bad the ACC conference is and then says that the ACC schedule-makers gave every advantage to Clemson.

FWIW, an excerpt


Source

Well if you’re the ACC wouldn’t you do the same thing for your ONE hope to make the CFP? They likely realized the conference was way down and Clemson was the only team good enough to navigate their way to the final four. Or they could be like Larry Scott & the P12 and screw their biggest blueblood by not giving them a bye two years in a row. The whole point of being in a conference is the advantages that come from unifying. It’s not Clemson’s fault the rest of their conference is a joke right now.

ND insisted on playing in Ireland so they smartly placed a bye after that to allow for jet lag recovery, etc. But that was their choice. Otherwise they surely could’ve scheduled that bye before Clemson. If they can avoid injury, playing Duke before Clemson SHOULD be a tune up. Clemson also gets a bye the week after ND as they play the Citadel.

 

[fightingirish26]

Justyn Ross to have surgery. Doesn't really mention anything about a timeframe for recovery but it doesn't seem like they are too worried.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-have-surgery-on-neck-shoulder-injury-in-june

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking injury update from Clemson: Justyn Ross is going to have surgery Friday. When he had an X-ray after the spring injury, he learned he was born with something called congenital fusion. He will not play this season.</p>— Grace Raynor (@gmraynor) <a href="https://twitter.com/gmraynor/status/1267544187882426374?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[zelezo vlk]

So not like the DBZ kind?

 

[Riddickulous]

That's a big loss but it's not like losing a stud wide receiver is going to make or break the most loaded team in CFB. Sucks for Ross, though. Great player.

 

[ResLife Hero]

Just a tiny bit more detail in this but sounds pretty damn scary.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dabo Swinney on WR Justyn Ross. Surgery scheduled for Friday. Ross has what Swinney called a "congenital fusion in his neck/spine. Doctors are very concerned.</p>— Ralph D. Russo (@ralphDrussoAP) <a href="https://twitter.com/ralphDrussoAP/status/1267543951256551424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[fightingirish26]

feel sick for the kid

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Wow. Yeah that does sound scary. Hope the kid recovers 100% and becomes that first round NFL draft pick he deserves to be.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Even though one of them against us his 2018 playoff performances were unbelievable, nothing but respect for the dude. Hope he makes it through this.