Nov 14 | Boston College

[phillyirish]

By the way after looking GREAT for a half against Clemson, Phil totally sucked ass against a terrible Syracuse team this past weekend. He has a high ceiling and shows flashes... and Chip Long really did create a super toxic environment on offense for him and everyone else... but there is no evidence from his half a season starting at BC that he should’ve gotten more “game in the balance” reps over Book and that those reps would’ve helped the team. Absolutely none. He is #42 in the country in QBR despite being anointed by BC coaches and having the offense tailored to him on a weekly basis.

I mean that’s a little unfair. The same could be said for literally every QB.

 

[stpeteirish]

We will make BC one dimensional on offense. They will put this one on Phil’s back. Turnovers ensue. Nation yawns, changes channel to Bama game.
Only the old people think it’s 1993 again.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

This is the flawed logic that makes Phil the bad guy and lets the staff off the hook.

Phil SHOULD have played more. He should have gotten some snaps with the rest of the first team in games, like 1 drive a game would've been nice. Instead of coming in too late and going into BK's 4 corner, game ender possessions.

Phil's mishandling and Book's handling are two different things and shouldn't be conflated. Yet that's what everyone continues to do.

I was 5*Phil, the prospect's biggest fan, but with that, I believe: Bringing back Book was the right thing for this team, this year. What ND didn't have a choice in was having both Book in '20 AND Phil in '21-'22. One thing had to go. Since the staff allowed Phil to backslide so much, the choice was obvious. Phil's V Shaped recovery, especially under the circumstances, makes it easy to wonder what will turn out to be the best long term play.

Do you think if Phil had played more while he was here, he'd still be here? I'm still not sure what the hell happened between him and the team, but I thought it was between him and Rees.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Do you think if Phil had played more while he was here, he'd still be here? I'm still not sure what the hell happened between him and the team, but I thought it was between him and Rees.

I am not Crus but: bringing back a starter as a 5th year captain means he's not going to be competing for that starting job. It's not just the roster logistics of waiting a year; it's a sign of no confidence in Phil.

It would have been difficult to manage under the best of circumstances and it sounds like these were not the best of circumstances.

 

[Wingman Ray]

I think if anything this should have taught ND is to give the back up a lot more quality reps when the team is up where a win is a certainty. You cant just have the guy hand the ball off. Book is gone next year and if the next in line does not get some serious game exp, it is going to be a long year next year. Your QB has to be able to command respect from the opposite teams D and you cant win on run alone. Im not a fan of Book but he has contributed when needed to. Put in a QB that has no experience and you dont get that contribution when you have to have it.

 

[BobbyMac]

None of this makes any sense. Sorry.

1. Your position is Phil (or any back up) got enough snaps last year?

2. You don't think bringing Book back this season was the right thing to do?

3. You believe the staff could've kept Phil on the bench this year and started him next year? (Assuming they could've undone the damage to his motion & psyche that occurred since his arrival at ND of course)

4. You don't agree that Phil has made a significant bounce back from the guy who couldn't throw a spiral and was basically worthless if you believe the insiders who watched him practice on a daily basis?

5. You can't envision a 2021 or '22 season where ND struggles at QB (hopefully Book returns in '21) and Phil takes the next step to what we hoped for him at ND after as he has a full, covid free off season in the system working behind a line that is a year out of the transition from running team to passing team?

 

[BobbyMac]

We will make BC one dimensional on offense. They will put this one on Phil’s back. Turnovers ensue.

That's a bingo.

 

[EvilleIrish]

1. Your position is Phil (or any back up) got enough snaps last year?

2. You don't think bringing Book back this season was the right thing to do?

3. You believe the staff could've kept Phil on the bench this year and started him next year? (Assuming they could've undone the damage to his motion & psyche that occurred since his arrival at ND of course)

4. You don't agree that Phil has made a significant bounce back from the guy who couldn't throw a spiral and was basically worthless if you believe the insiders who watched him practice on a daily basis?

5. You can't envision a 2021 or '22 season where ND struggles at QB (hopefully Book returns in '21) and Phil takes the next step to what we hoped for him at ND after as he has a full, covid free off season in the system working behind a line that is a year out of the transition from running team to passing team?

There has to be zero chance of Ian back next year, right?

 

[zelezo vlk]

Can BC stop the run? If not, they won't be able to stay in the game

 

[BobbyMac]

Do you think if Phil had played more while he was here, he'd still be here? I'm still not sure what the hell happened between him and the team, but I thought it was between him and Rees.

No. The staff had 2018 & 2019 to get him ready for 2020 or Phil was out. Hindsight being 20/20, he should've left after the 2018 season just to get out of the dysfunctional situation he was in with Long & Rees.

 

[BobbyMac]

There has to be zero chance of Ian back next year, right?

Unless Clark is doing big things behind the curtain, I know I'd try. Of course, depends on what Book can make in football next year. . . or ever. If he's a practice squad QB, maybe staying and finishing his Masters is more lucrative for him (if he's trying to finish it that is. He may have already bailed on it as far as we know)

 

[BobbyMac]

Can BC stop the run? If not, they won't be able to stay in the game

They won't stop ND's run game. Their LB's Richardson & McDuffie are good, they are #1 & #3 in total tackles and do good work behind the line and getting after the QB but that will get erased vs ND. They give up 141 ypg. ND will go for 250 if they want to.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I have a feeling the Tyree is going to be the leading back this Saturday. I think he'll be nice and fresh, Kyren getting a slight break.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I have a feeling the Tyree is going to be the leading back this Saturday. I think he'll be nice and fresh, Kyren getting a slight break.

Yup. I'd love to see a lot of carries for Tyree and especially C'Bo. Let the Georgia Galloper pound the Eagles into submission

 

[RDU Irish]

Tired of the Phil talk - he is in a better place for both of us. I don't see Phil working the short game/ball control well enough for how we are built.

I am old. I am scarred by the 1993 game. We just got torched for over 400 yards by a freshman and deep ball is what BC needs to compete. That said - Kyle Hamilton may be living in Phil's head for a while after Saturday.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

ND makes them one dimensional, Phil commits three TOs in the first half. We jump out to a 35-7 lead. Clark plays all of the second half to piss PJ off.

 

[Irish#1]

And the fact that the staff allowed Phil to tank is the only reason you can write something that completely forgets that Phil was a a next level recruit that fell apart before our eyes.

I suspect that all parties involved share blame.

 

[Irish#1]

I have a feeling the Tyree is going to be the leading back this Saturday. I think he'll be nice and fresh, Kyren getting a slight break.

I suspect that Kyren is a little sore right now.

 

[IrishLax]

1. ...

I'll bite. This is what you said to trooper, and here's my breakdown down line-by-line:

This is the flawed logic that makes Phil the bad guy and lets the staff off the hook.

The implied premise here with the claim about "letting the staff off the hook" is that it's a fact that the staff made errors that negatively impacted the program. This is debatable, though I have already rehashed many times the toxicity of Chip Long and it is a fact that had an impact on Phil Jurkovec.

Phil SHOULD have played more. He should have gotten some snaps with the rest of the first team in games, like 1 drive a game would've been nice. Instead of coming in too late and going into BK's 4 corner, game ender possessions.

You state definitively that not only should he have gotten more minutes but that he needed to eat minutes with the starters. The only way for Phil to get more reps with the "1s" is to either:
1) Pull Book before the game is in hand.
2) Play the 1s after the game is in hand instead of getting reps for the 2s.

Neither one of these makes any sense.

Phil's mishandling and Book's handling are two different things and shouldn't be conflated. Yet that's what everyone continues to do.

Again, it implies that it was all Kelly & Company's fault that things went south and that they should have prioritized retaining Jurkovec. That is not a fact, that's simply flawed conjecture about ND from '20 to the future.

I was 5*Phil, the prospect's biggest fan, but with that, I believe: Bringing back Book was the right thing for this team, this year.

Here you acknowledge bias.

What ND didn't have a choice in was having both Book in '20 AND Phil in '21-'22. One thing had to go. Since the staff allowed Phil to backslide so much, the choice was obvious.

For the third time you suggest a perceived issue is the staff's fault, and that nothing is the Phil's responsibility. It's on the staff for his "backslide" (that there is no evidence of, but that's an entirely different topic).

Phil's V Shaped recovery, especially under the circumstances, makes it easy to wonder what will turn out to be the best long term play.

And this isn't a real thing. He is in the bottom half of Power 5 quarterbacks, and has played very inconsistently for Boston College. There is no real evidence of a "backslide" or that Jurkovec is anything other than a middling replacement-level QB. There are many QBs around the country playing better football on worse teams than Phil Jurkovec.

So to summarize your post, the Notre Dame staff completely mismanaged the QB situation letting a promising talent walk because of their sheer incompetence and/or lack of vision. Nothing is Phil Jurkovec's fault, who "regressed" while at ND because our coaches are all idiots. The proof of this is how awesomely he has played this season, especially his QBR that ranks 42nd in the country and his team's 6th place standing in the ACC. Highlights include his zero quality wins and when he led his team to 14 points against a team that gave up 38 to Liberty.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Everybody gets a BYE after the BC game. Not the time for rest if we are battling.

 

[NDohio]

I have tried to watch PJ with an eye towards him being a pretty good QB based on what some on here have stated about him this season. I just don't see it. Yeah, he has a few really good downfield passes every game (although his WR corp has bailed him out some) but he makes a LOT of mistakes in the short to intermediate game. His inconsistency is really bad (which would make us bonkers if he was our QB). Also, did he get slower after high school?

I am not trying to beat the kid up, I hope he gets things straightened out and is a successful QB, I just do not seeing anything from him that makes me think ND should have given him more opportunities.

 

[dublinirish]

BC has picked this game as their annual Red Bandana Game

https://www.si.com/college/bostonco...ame-boston-college-notre-dame-welles-crowther

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly says Phil Jurkovec had normal progress in ND's playbook. Focus was getting the ball out of his hand faster.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/1325849127561932801?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly says Phil Jurkovec had normal progress in ND's playbook. Focus was getting the ball out of his hand faster.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/1325849127561932801?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

and if you read his other quote it is pretty telling....making plays outside of the playbook for BC...like he did in high school

 

[Riddickulous]

I have a feeling the Tyree is going to be the leading back this Saturday. I think he'll be nice and fresh, Kyren getting a slight break.

IMO Tyree is losing ground to C'Bo in the rotation. Only 10 carries in the last 3 games despite 2 blowouts. C'Bo has 29 carries in that same span.

 

[Irish#1]

IMO Tyree is losing ground to C'Bo in the rotation. Only 10 carries in the last 3 games despite 2 blowouts. C'Bo has 29 carries in that same span.

Maybe he's hitting that proverbial freshman wall?

 

[dublinirish]

IMO Tyree is losing ground to C'Bo in the rotation. Only 10 carries in the last 3 games despite 2 blowouts. C'Bo has 29 carries in that same span.

outside run game wasn't there with clemson's team speed. Game just didn't suit his skillset and there wasn't anything he could do that Kyren and CBo couldn't

 

[notredomer23]

IMO Tyree is losing ground to C'Bo in the rotation. Only 10 carries in the last 3 games despite 2 blowouts. C'Bo has 29 carries in that same span.

I wanna see Tyree more involved in the passing game. I understand ND uses Kyren a lot because teams believe the recipe to beat Book is pressure so we need his blocking. But some designed screens and wheel routes for him would be nice and a wrinkle we haven't really seen added to the playbook yet.

 

[KPENN]

https://twitter.com/ndfootballpr/status/1325966405397700609?s=21

 

[arrowryan]

From my understanding, no player on the field/sideline has tested positive

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">November 9 - Testing Update <a href="https://t.co/MDQL81yIze">pic.twitter.com/MDQL81yIze</a></p>— Notre Dame Football PR Team (@NDFootballPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootballPR/status/1325966405397700609?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>