Nov 14 | Boston College

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Tyree also looks tiny out there. He can't pick up blitzes like Kyren and C'bo. He is basically a first down back and a changeup at this point in his career. I do love him on the field with Kyren though, whether he motions into/out of the slot or whatever.
 

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Kind of a stretch to think 1993 has anything to do with this year. None of the players were born and none(?)of the coaches on either team had anything to do with the 1993 game. Just fan angst which doesn't mean squat.

If fact, has BC beaten ND since Kelly took over?

OUR SHARED HISTORY is what is has to do with it. That's how rivalries work. Obviously none of the kids we alive then, or watched the game. I'm sure the more recent games would be factored in as well. But, much of the game is mental. And if 93' helps show how "we've been here before", when used properly by a great motivator, it does matter.

It helps them "see" themselves knocking off a highly ranked ND team.

Now, I think we up to the task. But I do think we will have to play clean ball or it could be a tight game. Hopefully not, an we dominate them
 

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Fun fact about this rivalry. ND currently has a six game winning streak against BC. That ties BC's six game win streak from 2001-2008.

The ND's current streak should be seven straight, but the NCAA vacated ND's 2012 wins.
 

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Fun fact about this rivalry. ND currently has a six game winning streak against BC. That ties BC's six game win streak from 2001-2008.

The ND's current streak should be seven straight, but the NCAA vacated ND's 2012 wins.

fck the NCAA, the streak is seven
 

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For real. If Alabama can claim 17 national championships then we can claim 7 straight wins over BC.

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I claim 22 Natty's for ND.

Bama fans claim theirs. I claim ours....including the 11 that OTHERS claim for us.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Highest-graded QBs outside the pocket: <br>1. Spencer Rattler, Oklahoma - 92.4<br>2. Justin Fields, Ohio State - 91.4<br>3. Phil Jurkovec, Boston College - 86.7<br>4. Zach Wilson, BYU - 81.7 <a href="https://t.co/DA5VoJ2fKQ">pic.twitter.com/DA5VoJ2fKQ</a></p>— PFF College (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1326279140262154242?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Highest-graded QBs outside the pocket: <br>1. Spencer Rattler, Oklahoma - 92.4<br>2. Justin Fields, Ohio State - 91.4<br>3. Phil Jurkovec, Boston College - 86.7<br>4. Zach Wilson, BYU - 81.7 <a href="https://t.co/DA5VoJ2fKQ">pic.twitter.com/DA5VoJ2fKQ</a></p>— PFF College (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1326279140262154242?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Gotta keep him in the pocket then I guess.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ian Book: 90.7 passing grade vs #1 Clemson<br><br>Highest the Tigers have allowed in game since 2014 <a href="https://t.co/twutc3f5D8">pic.twitter.com/twutc3f5D8</a></p>— PFF College (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1326178299400294401?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ian Book: 90.7 passing grade vs #1 Clemson<br><br>Highest the Tigers have allowed in game since 2014 <a href="https://t.co/twutc3f5D8">pic.twitter.com/twutc3f5D8</a></p>— PFF College (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1326178299400294401?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ironically, it's the first time they didn't know the opponent plays either.....
 

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I remember it well. I was in college and living in a duplex w/ two friends & our duplex neighbor was a good friend, too. This was an event type game for us. FSU was the sexy newcomer to the national stage & known for not being able to get past Miami (wide right, wide left). They were attracting a national fans base after being a successful independent but this wast their first year in the ACC.

We filled my neighbor‘s apartment up w/ friends (mostly fraternity brothers). IIRC, I was the ONLY one rooting for the Irish. How sweet it was and seemed like ND would win comfortably. The score was still deceiving IMO but a win is a win. I think that moment (knowing everyone was against my Irish) gave me that chip on my shoulder that I’m not proud of (I’m seeing a Buddhist about it...LOL) as an adult. Combine that w/ my Lou Holtz sandbagging (“We don’t have a prayer to compete w/ this team”) and it took some joy out of watching.

The following week was like a hangover in every sense. No big gatherings as most CFB fans acknowledged ND would ride out their string before the bowl game for the natty. I was in my part of the duplex alone watching BC jump out to a big lead. Then Kevin McDougal rallied them back to go ahead in the 4th quarter. Then...David Fucking Gordon! I could hear my buddies in the adjoining duplex cheering & giving me hell (the whole nation was probably tuning in at this point).

Afterwards, a few points were made (one of them meaningless IMO) about how serious fans, players & maybe even coaches take big games vs trap games. During FSU week, the Grotto was jam packed w/ candles (I know, God doesn’t care who wins football games). The following week (for BC), there may have been ten total. In 1992, ND blew out BC 50-something to 7 (IIRC). Holtz notoriously called for a fake punt late in the game when it was well in hand for the Irish. Afterwards, he claimed he wanted to run it to give his following week’s opponent something to game plan for. Needless to say, Boston College didn’t forget.

That ‘93 BC team was a good team. Still ND had no business losing to them. They had a future NFL QB & a solid defense. I was still confident if ND beat TAMU in the bowl game that we’d get split polls and a share of the NC w/ FSU (who eked by Nebraska in their bowl).

One of the theories why the AP nor the Coaches Poll awarded ND a share was recounted in a great book called “Talking Irish” where players were interviewed about their time playing at ND and the coach they played for. When it got to the portion of the book where the aftermath of 1993 was discussed, the thought was that the media (& probably the coaches) were tired of hearing Lou poor mouth his team each week regardless of opponent to the point that it insulted the intelligence of any CFB fan or media member w/ a brain. I got a kick out of it & sadly still employ it (I know....like I said, I’m working on it). But this time the consensus was “well Lou’s always telling us that his team isn’t as good as team x, y or z...let’s take his word for it and award him #2).

You also have to factor in the media’s pre-season mindset that this was going to finally be Bobby Bowden’s year. He was their darling & probably got sympathy for losing those heartbreakers to the U every season.

The learned ND fan remembers well the hypocrisy of the polls between 1989-1993. Remember in 1988, ND ran the table w/ one of the toughest schedules in CFB history to go undefeated against. So the media had to anoint the Irish champs whether they wanted to or not (I’m not suggesting there was a bias in 1988 b/c Lou was still in rebuild mode & a great story).

But in 1989 ND dominated their schedule again...until...they went down to the OB for a rematch w/ the U. Holtz made huge mistake w/ his team. He was embarrassed about what went on pre-game in 1988 & was going to make sure it didn’t happen again knowing Miami would be salty for revenge. He preached about showing restraint, etc. That basically de-fanged his players and they showed it on the field as they were more passive than usual. ND lost. The game was closer than the score indicated but ND still had no one to blame but themselves w/ passive play & turnovers. Nonetheless, ND had a blemish on their schedule but would still get a chance to knock off #1 Colorado in the bowl game. They did just that and for their trouble were awarded a #2 ranking while Miami slipped up to #1 for the natty.

So...in summary: ND is #1 in 2nd to last game in 1989 where they visit #7 Miami (who lost by 14 to FSU earlier in season). Miami wins by 17 and jumps to #2 in the polls behind CU. Both ND & Miami win their respective bowls (Miami beat lower ranked Bama in Sugar; while ND knocked off top-ranked CU in Orange). Despite ND knocking off #1, Miami is awarded the NC despite Lou claiming ND deserved it. Reverse the roles in 1993 & this time the Irish are again at the mercy of the pollsters who use the opposite logic of 1989 and award FSU the natty.

Youngsters, the CFP is far from perfect but be glad we are no longer at the mercy of the AP poll b/c media (whether it be sports, entertainment or news) is run by humans & try as they might to be neutral...they typically fail.

Someone rep this man for me.
 

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It's not stopping them tbh

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It's not near as bad as it would have been.

Surprisingly, Herb, Pollack, and one of the other guys all have ND at #2 in their poll. None played the win down because of DJU. Galloway was the only that had ND at #3 (OSU #2).
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Liam Eichenberg asked if Brian Kelly brought up the ’93 game against Boston College this week.<br><br>Shockingly, no. Kelly has not brought this up.</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1326317921040216065?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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On this week's ISD Power Hour, Mike mentioned that he imagines Kelly meets with the team leaders and holds them accountable for the effort this week.

I imagine that's what is happening right now. Kelly will probably do his thing and coach typically, but have his captains on players' asses all week.

I think that's the right move. Better to have your brother kick your ass in gear than dad right now.
 

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Broadcast team this week is Sean McDonough, Todd Blackledge, Todd McShay, and Molly McGrath. Nice!
 

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Gotta keep him in the pocket then I guess.

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Was thinking the same thing when I read that. The line does a good job of containment so Phil may be in a for a long day.
 

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I'm just happy ND and Book got the monkey off their back. And happy DJU had a good game too, so folks can't say "well, backup QB..."

You would think, but my boss tried to pull that card on me.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Liam Eichenberg asked if Brian Kelly brought up the ’93 game against Boston College this week.<br><br>Shockingly, no. Kelly has not brought this up.</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1326317921040216065?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Kelly may not want to place the seed of failure in their minds.
 

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If they’re truly treating this like “any other game” that’s a mistake. Need to be going OVERBOARD on external motivators for this week. This is BC’s Super Bowl.
 

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If they’re truly treating this like “any other game” that’s a mistake. Need to be going OVERBOARD on external motivators for this week. This is BC’s Super Bowl.

Especially after how they performed against Clemson. I'm sure they truly believe they can win.
 

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If they’re truly treating this like “any other game” that’s a mistake. Need to be going OVERBOARD on external motivators for this week. This is BC’s Super Bowl.

Agreed. The only reason I am not overly worried is the fact they have a bye next week and not UNC. If they had UNC, it would be a classic look ahead spot after a big win.
 
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Today (Wednesday) will be another set of results from Covid tests, right? Or are they tested today with results on Thursday?
 

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Right that's my concern, you're not going to see the aftermath of the students storming the field until the mid-week tests. Would take more than 12 hours or so when the Sunday testing was administered to see a spike in cases.

Fingers crossed the two deep isn't hit too hard. Next week is finals week and a bye week for the boys, with students heading home on the 20th. The players will effectively be in a "Bubble" with campus mainly empty for the remainder of the season.
 

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Monday it was reported there were two positives but that they were from people who were not on the sideline for Saturday's game. The implication being they were already in quarantine due to exposure.

Thats correct.

Daily testing for regular students just captured 22(!!!) new positives, which isn’t good. We will likely have an idea by Thursday about whether there is any significant exposure on the team.
 
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