Nov 14 | Boston College

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly says Phil Jurkovec had normal progress in ND's playbook. Focus was getting the ball out of his hand faster.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/1325849127561932801?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I suspect that BK, Rees & company know where & how PJ struggled while at ND. Hopefully that gives Lea & the D something to scheme towards.

I heard one of the pods remind listeners how many time freshman Kyle Hamilton was picking off multiple PJ passes in scrimmages.
 

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I know I've mentioned it a few times, but my first game ever was that infamous '93 BC game where we overlooked the Eagles after beating #1 FSU the week before. Going into this game now after beating Clemson last weekend...

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IMO Tyree is losing ground to C'Bo in the rotation. Only 10 carries in the last 3 games despite 2 blowouts. C'Bo has 29 carries in that same span.

Tyree is going to be fine. His time will come. I was skeptical he could be an every down back but he looks to have the tools. Remember Kyren's freshman year, that one play vs Louisville? Yeah, let's give the kid more time. He's a freshman playing for ND in COVID 2020. He's handling himself pretty well I'd say.
 

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I know I've mentioned it a few times, but my first game ever was that infamous '93 BC game where we overlooked the Eagles after beating #1 FSU the week before. Going into this game now after beating Clemson last weekend...

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It wasn’t my first game, but I was at this game with my grandpa. The lake Dawson TD catch is etched on my memory forever. The stadium was bananas when we took the lead. Not so much a minute later.
 

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I'll bite. This is what you said to trooper, and here's my breakdown down line-by-line:

You state definitively that not only should he have gotten more minutes but that he needed to eat minutes with the starters. The only way for Phil to get more reps with the "1s" is to either:
1) Pull Book before the game is in hand.
2) Play the 1s after the game is in hand instead of getting reps for the 2s.

Neither one of these makes any sense.

I read some articles before the Clemson game that Dabo had actually gotten DJ some reps at QB when the game wasn’t in hand pre COVID-19 for T Law. The articles stated this as a reason he was able to have such success these past two games. If so that would make Crusaders point about getting PJ some game reps a valid one. Not saying I agree with Crus about PJ, I haven’t been impressed with him outside the the first two drives at Clemson. I’d take Book over him in a heartbeat.
 

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Not even in relation to PJ idk how you can say BK doesn't need to get our young players more reps. That's part of the reason these powerhouses seem to just "reload". Yes they have slightly more talent than us, but the bigger factor to my mind is the fact that their guys are ready to go as soon as they step in because they've already seen live bullets.

That's why it always bugs the shit out out of me when BK chooses not to step on the throats of inferior opponents and seems content to just grind out games, because "winning is hard". He seems to err on the side of caution to an extreme degree too often. Things seem to be changing a bit with games like Pitt, but I want to see more of it.
 

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I read some articles before the Clemson game that Dabo had actually gotten DJ some reps at QB when the game wasn’t in hand pre COVID-19 for T Law. The articles stated this as a reason he was able to have such success these past two games. If so that would make Crusaders point about getting PJ some game reps a valid one. Not saying I agree with Crus about PJ, I haven’t been impressed with him outside the the first two drives at Clemson. I’d take Book over him in a heartbeat.

So I had to go through all of DJ's reps. Here's what I found.

Wake - Got in after Clemson went up 37-3 in the 4th. Played with the backups.

Citadel - Got in after Clemson went up 42-0 in the 2nd. Played wit the backups.

Virginia - Got in to essentially run the clock out on the final drive with the backups.

Georgia Tech - Didn't play due to injury.

Syracuse - Got in on their last drive up 47-21 with the backups.

Up until the BC game when he was forced to start, DJ's PT had been almost exclusively with the 2nd team.
 

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So I had to go through all of DJ's reps. Here's what I found.

Wake - Got in after Clemson went up 37-3 in the 4th. Played with the backups.

Citadel - Got in after Clemson went up 42-0 in the 2nd. Played wit the backups.

Virginia - Got in to essentially run the clock out on the final drive with the backups.

Georgia Tech - Didn't play due to injury.

Syracuse - Got in on their last drive up 47-21 with the backups.

Up until the BC game when he was forced to start, DJ's PT had been almost exclusively with the 2nd team.

Thanks for doing that research. I would have thought the person writing the article would have more integrity than that to exaggerate a point.
 

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I wanna see Tyree more involved in the passing game. I understand ND uses Kyren a lot because teams believe the recipe to beat Book is pressure so we need his blocking. But some designed screens and wheel routes for him would be nice and a wrinkle we haven't really seen added to the playbook yet.

Agree. A quick short route to a speedster who if he gets by the first guy could go the distance. Those passes have been absent for years, and it pains me to see other teams use them to great success.
 

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I know I've mentioned it a few times, but my first game ever was that infamous '93 BC game where we overlooked the Eagles after beating #1 FSU the week before. Going into this game now after beating Clemson last weekend...

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So you're the reason we didn't win the NC. Glad you won't be attending this game. You aren't are you? lol
 

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BC doesn't have the offense that Clemson does. the defense should be ready to eat especially if the same Simon shows up.
 

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I know I've mentioned it a few times, but my first game ever was that infamous '93 BC game where we overlooked the Eagles after beating #1 FSU the week before. Going into this game now after beating Clemson last weekend...

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I remember it well. I was in college and living in a duplex w/ two friends & our duplex neighbor was a good friend, too. This was an event type game for us. FSU was the sexy newcomer to the national stage & known for not being able to get past Miami (wide right, wide left). They were attracting a national fans base after being a successful independent but this wast their first year in the ACC.

We filled my neighbor‘s apartment up w/ friends (mostly fraternity brothers). IIRC, I was the ONLY one rooting for the Irish. How sweet it was and seemed like ND would win comfortably. The score was still deceiving IMO but a win is a win. I think that moment (knowing everyone was against my Irish) gave me that chip on my shoulder that I’m not proud of (I’m seeing a Buddhist about it...LOL) as an adult. Combine that w/ my Lou Holtz sandbagging (“We don’t have a prayer to compete w/ this team”) and it took some joy out of watching.

The following week was like a hangover in every sense. No big gatherings as most CFB fans acknowledged ND would ride out their string before the bowl game for the natty. I was in my part of the duplex alone watching BC jump out to a big lead. Then Kevin McDougal rallied them back to go ahead in the 4th quarter. Then...David Fucking Gordon! I could hear my buddies in the adjoining duplex cheering & giving me hell (the whole nation was probably tuning in at this point).

Afterwards, a few points were made (one of them meaningless IMO) about how serious fans, players & maybe even coaches take big games vs trap games. During FSU week, the Grotto was jam packed w/ candles (I know, God doesn’t care who wins football games). The following week (for BC), there may have been ten total. In 1992, ND blew out BC 50-something to 7 (IIRC). Holtz notoriously called for a fake punt late in the game when it was well in hand for the Irish. Afterwards, he claimed he wanted to run it to give his following week’s opponent something to game plan for. Needless to say, Boston College didn’t forget.

That ‘93 BC team was a good team. Still ND had no business losing to them. They had a future NFL QB & a solid defense. I was still confident if ND beat TAMU in the bowl game that we’d get split polls and a share of the NC w/ FSU (who eked by Nebraska in their bowl).

One of the theories why the AP nor the Coaches Poll awarded ND a share was recounted in a great book called “Talking Irish” where players were interviewed about their time playing at ND and the coach they played for. When it got to the portion of the book where the aftermath of 1993 was discussed, the thought was that the media (& probably the coaches) were tired of hearing Lou poor mouth his team each week regardless of opponent to the point that it insulted the intelligence of any CFB fan or media member w/ a brain. I got a kick out of it & sadly still employ it (I know....like I said, I’m working on it). But this time the consensus was “well Lou’s always telling us that his team isn’t as good as team x, y or z...let’s take his word for it and award him #2).

You also have to factor in the media’s pre-season mindset that this was going to finally be Bobby Bowden’s year. He was their darling & probably got sympathy for losing those heartbreakers to the U every season.

The learned ND fan remembers well the hypocrisy of the polls between 1989-1993. Remember in 1988, ND ran the table w/ one of the toughest schedules in CFB history to go undefeated against. So the media had to anoint the Irish champs whether they wanted to or not (I’m not suggesting there was a bias in 1988 b/c Lou was still in rebuild mode & a great story).

But in 1989 ND dominated their schedule again...until...they went down to the OB for a rematch w/ the U. Holtz made huge mistake w/ his team. He was embarrassed about what went on pre-game in 1988 & was going to make sure it didn’t happen again knowing Miami would be salty for revenge. He preached about showing restraint, etc. That basically de-fanged his players and they showed it on the field as they were more passive than usual. ND lost. The game was closer than the score indicated but ND still had no one to blame but themselves w/ passive play & turnovers. Nonetheless, ND had a blemish on their schedule but would still get a chance to knock off #1 Colorado in the bowl game. They did just that and for their trouble were awarded a #2 ranking while Miami slipped up to #1 for the natty.

So...in summary: ND is #1 in 2nd to last game in 1989 where they visit #7 Miami (who lost by 14 to FSU earlier in season). Miami wins by 17 and jumps to #2 in the polls behind CU. Both ND & Miami win their respective bowls (Miami beat lower ranked Bama in Sugar; while ND knocked off top-ranked CU in Orange). Despite ND knocking off #1, Miami is awarded the NC despite Lou claiming ND deserved it. Reverse the roles in 1993 & this time the Irish are again at the mercy of the pollsters who use the opposite logic of 1989 and award FSU the natty.

Youngsters, the CFP is far from perfect but be glad we are no longer at the mercy of the AP poll b/c media (whether it be sports, entertainment or news) is run by humans & try as they might to be neutral...they typically fail.
 

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The spread in this game is weird. Early movement downwards by a few points seems to indicate sharps loving BC (oversimplification but generally true). I was wondering if the field-storming played a role, i.e. people expect a few players to pop positive this week.

It just seems like BC isn't going to sneak up on ND since they almost beat Clemson a week ago, plus the whole '93 thing is giving this game extra attention. ND has a better scouting report on Phil than anyone in the country. ND is healthy and seemingly peaking on both lines. I am actually feeling an ND beatdown. I'm much more nervous about the UNC game because they could really score points, fast.
 
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The spread in this game is weird. Early movement downwards by a few points seems to indicate sharps loving BC (oversimplification but generally true). I was wondering if the field-storming played a role, i.e. people expect a few players to pop positive this week.

It just seems like BC isn't going to sneak up on ND since they almost beat Clemson a week ago, plus the whole '93 thing is giving this game extra attention. ND has a better scouting report on Phil than anyone in the country. ND is healthy and seemingly peaking on both lines. I am actually feeling an ND beatdown. I'm much more nervous about the UNC game because they could really score points, fast.

I tend to agree. UNC’s offense is much more dangerous than BC’s offense IMO. The Heels defense has struggled to get off the field so I think ND’s best offensive strategy vs both opponents is long drives where they matriculate down the field as the clock runs and convert TDs. Good news about UNC, is the Irish (& the Heels) get a bye before they play.
 

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I heard one of the pods remind listeners how many time freshman Kyle Hamilton was picking off multiple PJ passes in scrimmages.
kyle is already in PJ head. one thing I noticed from PJ when at ND is that he never threw spirals, his passes always seemed to be wobblers.
 

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I'd like to see our safety play cleaned up minus Hamilton. Why were we so shallow on Clemson's first TD strike? I'm spacing on a few other examples, but we seemed to have coverage breakdowns back there on Saturday.
 

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I'd like to see our safety play cleaned up minus Hamilton. Why were we so shallow on Clemson's first TD strike? I'm spacing on a few other examples, but we seemed to have coverage breakdowns back there on Saturday.

with the way we were playing to take away the run we are leaving our corners on an island. right now we don't have the dudes that can do that unfortunately, which we always knew
 

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with the way we were playing to take away the run we are leaving our corners on an island. right now we don't have the dudes that can do that unfortunately, which we always knew

This is my thought as well. Notre Dame went into this game wanting to take away the run and that'll leave you vulnerable in the pass game.
 

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I'd like to see our safety play cleaned up minus Hamilton. Why were we so shallow on Clemson's first TD strike? I'm spacing on a few other examples, but we seemed to have coverage breakdowns back there on Saturday.

Not knocking Hamilton because he did a lot of good things but Hamilton also got sucked up and out of position on Clemson's OT touchdown (or almost TD).
 

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Not knocking Hamilton because he did a lot of good things but Hamilton also got sucked up and out of position on Clemson's OT touchdown (or almost TD).

yep, that dude was in a tough spot all night. It's good to get it on tape and get it corrected before the hopefully next time we get to play them.
 

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IMO Tyree is losing ground to C'Bo in the rotation. Only 10 carries in the last 3 games despite 2 blowouts. C'Bo has 29 carries in that same span.

I think that's why C'bo got more carries, because of the two blowouts. I think they are, and rightfully so, trying to keep Tyree on a pitch count. This is a little bit of different situation than with a lot of young guys. They'd rather his reps be when it matters versus risking injury when it doesn't. But in terms of importance to the roster, I'd say he's comfortably ahead of C'Bo.
 
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