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Bogtrotter07
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Listen guys.
The arrogance that we should concentrate on in this conversation is the "professors with Harvard, Oxford, and other elitist universities that are professors at ND, and look down their nose at this American Football thing, like acknowledging it will some how cheapen the value of a degree from the University of Notre Dame, or tarnish Notre Dame's reputation. These guys have no sense of history of The University of Notre Dame, whatsoever. The days of ND professors being priests and ND graduates, tough as nails, and solid fans, and supporters is gone forever . . . "
This is a conversation that I just had with a senior ND graduate, and major contributor to multiple ND charitible programs, both athletic and academic, including the Rockne Heritage Foundation.
There is a movement to refund athletics separate of the University. If anybody wanted that information public, I suppose you could find out about it easily enough.
But that is what needs to happen with ND.
Forget about conversations about it being too tough to have a good football team today with ND's standards; conversely, flush all the conversations about all kids have to do the same work and that these student athletes are given 300K worth of education for their time and trouble.
The fact of the matter is, you need a kid that is competent in his background, has superior study, organizational skills, and can read, write, and learn at an above average rate.
Kids that agree to play football at ND commit to between 50 and 80 hours a week between studying, working out, practice, class room activities, and off field football duties. And there are mighty few breaks during the year, (read no summers off.)
The thing that will never change is that ND will never develop an easy pass major, like most schools have. In fact, several alum and administrators I have spoken with talk about the evolution of ND curriculum, and they point to the Physical Education degree ND used to once offer. Knute himself, (An ND chemistry professor, did you know that?) spearheaded the PE program development, and in the early days, ND's PE program produced some of the finest football coaches in America. Look at today's football factories, schools in the SEC, and see how many had an early, successful coach that helped propel that program to prominence, that started as an ND graduate. The point is that ND's Physical Education degree may have started out by producing gridiron leaders, but it quickly evolved into a prestigious major that produced almost as many physicians as any premed program, and more scientists than most degree programs with a BS designation. ND even made PE tough!
So, there are still a lot of folks left around that know that ND being here, even existing has to do with, a) its football reputation, b) ability to present an identity to the immigrant and working class, and c) its reputation for outworking other institutions, which in the final analysis, is why the Navy kept UND open during the Second World War.
The arrogance that we should concentrate on in this conversation is the "professors with Harvard, Oxford, and other elitist universities that are professors at ND, and look down their nose at this American Football thing, like acknowledging it will some how cheapen the value of a degree from the University of Notre Dame, or tarnish Notre Dame's reputation. These guys have no sense of history of The University of Notre Dame, whatsoever. The days of ND professors being priests and ND graduates, tough as nails, and solid fans, and supporters is gone forever . . . "
This is a conversation that I just had with a senior ND graduate, and major contributor to multiple ND charitible programs, both athletic and academic, including the Rockne Heritage Foundation.
There is a movement to refund athletics separate of the University. If anybody wanted that information public, I suppose you could find out about it easily enough.
But that is what needs to happen with ND.
Forget about conversations about it being too tough to have a good football team today with ND's standards; conversely, flush all the conversations about all kids have to do the same work and that these student athletes are given 300K worth of education for their time and trouble.
The fact of the matter is, you need a kid that is competent in his background, has superior study, organizational skills, and can read, write, and learn at an above average rate.
Kids that agree to play football at ND commit to between 50 and 80 hours a week between studying, working out, practice, class room activities, and off field football duties. And there are mighty few breaks during the year, (read no summers off.)
The thing that will never change is that ND will never develop an easy pass major, like most schools have. In fact, several alum and administrators I have spoken with talk about the evolution of ND curriculum, and they point to the Physical Education degree ND used to once offer. Knute himself, (An ND chemistry professor, did you know that?) spearheaded the PE program development, and in the early days, ND's PE program produced some of the finest football coaches in America. Look at today's football factories, schools in the SEC, and see how many had an early, successful coach that helped propel that program to prominence, that started as an ND graduate. The point is that ND's Physical Education degree may have started out by producing gridiron leaders, but it quickly evolved into a prestigious major that produced almost as many physicians as any premed program, and more scientists than most degree programs with a BS designation. ND even made PE tough!
So, there are still a lot of folks left around that know that ND being here, even existing has to do with, a) its football reputation, b) ability to present an identity to the immigrant and working class, and c) its reputation for outworking other institutions, which in the final analysis, is why the Navy kept UND open during the Second World War.
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