COVID-19

[NDVirginia19]

Spain, one the earliest countries to lock down, and lock down hard, is locking down again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54364015

Seems to be a common trend in a lot of these places that lock down hard. Seems like Sweden's route was the way to go

 

[Irish YJ]

Seems to be a common trend in a lot of these places that lock down hard. Seems like Sweden's route was the way to go

Doesn't seem to be a lot of difference all things considered, except Spain's economy has been hit much harder to the closings.

 

[Irish YJ]

Trump and the first lady are Covid positive.

Can't wait for the MSM and SM circus.

Time for bed.
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[NDVirginia19]

Woah. This is going to be insane.

 

[notredomer23]

Media is going to be insufferable the next two weeks, both sides.

 

[IrishLion]

Did Donald Trump intentionally contract Covid-19 so he could quarantine for the next 14 days and avoid the next debate against Joe Biden?

MY COLUMN:

 

[notredomer23]

Did Donald Trump intentionally contract Covid-19 so he could quarantine for the next 14 days and avoid the next debate against Joe Biden?

MY COLUMN:

Imagine the columns we will get if Biden tests positive.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Trump and the first lady are Covid positive.

Can't wait for the MSM and SM circus.

Time for bed.
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Its certainly convenient but admitting he is sick isnt in Trumps MO per Mary Trump's book. Their family views sickness a sign of weakness.

The talking points on F&F this morning are exactly what I expected. If Trump beats it at 74 yo, 239 lbs and 6'3" (LOL) doesnt that mean this is a nothing burger and 200,000 people really died of something else? They are also showing him wearing masks pretty regularly in their visuals. LOL

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Did Donald Trump intentionally contract Covid-19 so he could quarantine for the next 14 days and avoid the next debate against Joe Biden?

MY COLUMN:

 

[Irishize]

It’ll be interesting to see if they have a second wave or not.

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[SonofOahu]

We arguably report better than most I would wager. We attribute any possible Covid deaths to Covid, or at least we did at one point. We've also attributed Covid to deaths when there were other contributing factors. Contrast that to a country like China, who has more citizens than any other country in the world...and they've only reported 4,000 total Covid deaths (Equal to the state of Ohio) and it's impossible to make a fair comparison. Hell, China has been reporting like 0 deaths since March which is ridiculous. Every country seems to have different standards as far as reporting deaths, and each country tests at different levels as far as how often and how easy or difficult it is to get access to testing.

I'll be honest, I wouldn't assume that we report better. I think we give it our best effort, but there are three different reporting channels and I have no idea where the data goes once it leaves out hands. At the state level, we're pretty tight, but I know that other states have gamed their data.

I don't trust anything out of China at a national level.

 

[NorthDakota]

Its certainly convenient but admitting he is sick isnt in Trumps MO per Mary Trump's book. Their family views sickness a sign of weakness.

The talking points on F&F this morning are exactly what I expected. If Trump beats it at 74 yo, 239 lbs and 6'3" (LOL) doesnt that mean this is a nothing burger and 200,000 people really died of something else? They are also showing him wearing masks pretty regularly in their visuals. LOL

Idk why anyone puts any stock in any of the Trump books. Does anyone really believe that the Trumps have some weird anti-sick nonsense?

Or...is it more likely that like regular dudes all over the country, they don't like going to the doctor or admitting they don't feel well?

 

[Legacy]

I was surprised that at today's medical press conference that they mentioned that dexamethasone was given to the President. The current medical guidelines recommends against using dexamethasone for the treatment of COVID-19 in patients who do not require supplemental oxygen and had been proven to provide benefit only in patients with ARDS, on a ventilator, viral pneumonia, or septic shock. That does not seem to be the case with Trump as reported.

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/concomitant-medications/

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2770275

Sounds aggressive.

 

[Bluto]

What are the chances of civil service staff who got/get exposed and become seriously ill of suing the administration? Is there any liability involved in ignoring the CDC’s guidelines and local or State health orders?

 

[calvegas04]

What are the chances of civil service staff who got/get exposed and become seriously ill of suing the administration? Is there any liability involved in ignoring the CDC’s guidelines and local or State health orders?

Would be very expensive and hard to win that legal battle.

 

[IrishLax]

I was surprised that at today's medical press conference that they mentioned that dexamethasone was given to the President. The current medical guidelines recommends against using dexamethasone for the treatment of COVID-19 in patients who do not require supplemental oxygen and had been proven to provide benefit only in patients with ARDS, on a ventilator, viral pneumonia, or septic shock. That does not seem to be the case with Trump as reported.

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/concomitant-medications/

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2770275

Sounds aggressive.

It's certainly troubling. Regardless of whether they're just being overly cautious, none of this is "good" news:<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Four pieces of information in that briefing: a) Trump's fever was "high" b) Trump's lung scans show "expected findings," unclear what that means but c) Trump is on a steroid the WHO recommends only for "severe and critical" COVID cases and d) Trump's oxygen lvls dropped again Sat</p>— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) <a href="https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1312792534020698112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[TorontoGold]

What are the chances of civil service staff who got/get exposed and become seriously ill of suing the administration? Is there any liability involved in ignoring the CDC’s guidelines and local or State health orders?

Supposedly contract tracing has yet to be started. I do wonder if there is going to be an investigation into this ordeal. The "72 hours", knowing that Hope Hicks tested positive and still doing campaign events etc.

 

[IrishLax]

Supposedly contract tracing has yet to be started. I do wonder if there is going to be an investigation into this ordeal. The "72 hours", knowing that Hope Hicks tested positive and still doing campaign events etc.

Not only are they not contact tracing, but Trump ordered the secret service to drive him around in an SUV today so he could wave to his fans... thereby exposing all the agents in the vehicle. They really just do not give a shit.

 

[TorontoGold]

Not only are they not contact tracing, but Trump ordered the secret service to drive him around in an SUV today so he could wave to his fans... thereby exposing all the agents in the vehicle. They really just do not give a shit.

It's got to be really insulting to see that kind of stuff happening. Especially, for the folks that claim that there are different rules for the political elite, I think their saying is "Rules for thee not for me"? You got to figure that the pro-LEO people will take issue with the Secret Service being put in harms way for a political stunt (not to mention the continual disregard for best COVID practices).

 

[FDNYIrish1]

It's got to be really insulting to see that kind of stuff happening. Especially, for the folks that claim that there are different rules for the political elite, I think their saying is "Rules for thee not for me"? You got to figure that the pro-LEO people will take issue with the Secret Service being put in harms way for a political stunt (not to mention the continual disregard for best COVID practices).

But but he was wearing a mask! Haven’t we been led to believe that nothing can penetrate these facial maxi pads? I don’t understand the uproar.

 

[Irish YJ]

But but he was wearing a mask! Haven’t we been led to believe that nothing can penetrate these facial maxi pads? I don’t understand the uproar.

Driving around is a bad look even if with a mask, windows up, and divider. He should have rioted outside instead, which would have been OK.

 

[TorontoGold]

Driving around is a bad look even if with a mask, windows up, and divider. He should have rioted outside instead, which would have been OK.

Lmao an Attending currently at Walter Reed has blasted him for this stunt. But I'm sure he's a dem operative part of the deep state who's suffering from TDS. Don't take my word, take the well respected doctor at the hospital he's currently at word.

 

[IrishLax]

Lmao an Attending currently at Walter Reed has blasted him for this stunt. But I'm sure he's a dem operative part of the deep state who's suffering from TDS. Don't take my word, take the well respected doctor at the hospital he's currently at word.

For context, this is what Toronto is referring to:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Every single person in the vehicle during that completely unnecessary Presidential “drive-by” just now has to be quarantined for 14 days. They might get sick. They may die. For political theater. Commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theater. This is insanity.</p>— Dr. James P. Phillips, MD (@DrPhillipsMD) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrPhillipsMD/status/1312867868028141568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It’s kind of shocking to me to see people still acting cavalier about the virus and efficacy of following CDC guidelines. Did we learn nothing this past week? The guy who continually mocked masks, social distancing, etc. held a super spreader event and has been hospitalized where he has needed supplemental oxygen, experimental drugs, and steroids.

 

[dad4aa]

Great...another political thread

 

[irishtrooper]

Came to see Trump bashing...........not disappointed

 

[Irish YJ]

Lmao an Attending currently at Walter Reed has blasted him for this stunt. But I'm sure he's a dem operative part of the deep state who's suffering from TDS. Don't take my word, take the well respected doctor at the hospital he's currently at word.

Dude, talk about outrage?

I agree it's a very bad look. Was joking/sarcastic hence the font.
A little humor goes nowhere around here...
The hypocrisy is a real thing though lol.

And by the way, they "attending" that tweeted that has a very long list of Trump hate tweets, as well as spots on CNN. He's more than just a doctor by the looks of things. That doesn't make him wrong. But he is card carry member of the Trump hate club.

 

[Legacy]

But but he was wearing a mask! Haven’t we been led to believe that nothing can penetrate these facial maxi pads? I don’t understand the uproar.

Three of the major factors in transmission of the virus particles are viral load, air flow and distance. Someone who is being treated for Covid emits a much higher viral load. The Presidential limousine is not only bulletproof, but hermetically sealed against chemical attack. You could hardly think of a more effective way to expose others to an aerosolized virus.

Also, a n95 mask, which I cannot tell if Trump was wearing or just a surgical mask, must fit securely against all skin surfaces. That would also have to be the case with anyone riding with him inside the sealed chamber that the limousine is. This virus when aerosolized will hang in the air for hours and may well travel beyond six feet.

As anyone else, he may well have a frequent, dry, hacking cough which would facilitate the transmission of Covid to those around someone. Often the cough will last for weeks after recovery and when the person is no longer contagious. Not only why Trump would expose those in the limo, but why would he want to walk down hallways is also not understandable.

 

[yankeehater]

Three of the major factors in transmission of the virus particles are viral load, air flow and distance. Someone who is being treated for Covid emits a much higher viral load. The Presidential limousine is not only bulletproof, but hermetically sealed against chemical attack. You could hardly think of a more effective way to expose others to an aerosolized virus.

Also, a n95 mask, which I cannot tell if Trump was wearing or just a surgical mask, must fit securely against all skin surfaces. That would also have to be the case with anyone riding with him inside the sealed chamber that the limousine is. This virus when aerosolized will hang in the air for hours and may well travel beyond six feet.

So you agree that all of the mask wearing is doing very little because probably not 1% are doing what you state?

 

[Legacy]

So you agree that all of the mask wearing is doing very little because probably not 1% are doing what you state?

What is admirable is that during this pandemic that you do not see transmission of this virus from healthcare workers to patients without Covid. Especially with those workers having to reuse masks. Covid has killed quite a number of them. Yet if you wish to advocate that they do not need masks when dealing with a symptomatic, hospitalized patient like the President, go for it. If I'm the chauffeur or Secret Service personnel, I'd want to wear the n95 as medically recommended if I was forced to be part of the show.

 

[SonofOahu]

I was surprised that at today's medical press conference that they mentioned that dexamethasone was given to the President. The current medical guidelines recommends against using dexamethasone for the treatment of COVID-19 in patients who do not require supplemental oxygen and had been proven to provide benefit only in patients with ARDS, on a ventilator, viral pneumonia, or septic shock. That does not seem to be the case with Trump as reported.

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/concomitant-medications/

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2770275

Sounds aggressive.

Remdesivir, Dexamethasone, and plasma are a standard cocktail for semi-serious admissions. That being said, if the patient's o2 sats are unstable, they'll start it right away. Current research has shown that a 5-day course of Remdesivir given early in the infection has resulted in significantly better outcomes at day 11 than a 10-day course, so they're better off giving it early. Dexamethasone is quite common and has been in use for many years.

That being said, Trump did not appear to be at that critical point. The fact that he's an obese 74 y/o with a recent stroke Hx probably played into their desire to get ahead of this (if this turns out to be a legit admission.) I'm still 50/50 that this was a "Wag the Dog" effort.