COVID-19

[Irish#1]

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/09/28/a-young-kennedy-in-kushnerland-turned-whistle-blower

Well if you wondered why there are still supply chain issues for n95's...

Too many question marks in this story. Small group of volunteers trying to procure PPE? Only works for the task force for a month? This doesn't gets published until five months later as the election heats up? Hmmm.

 

[Irish YJ]

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/09/28/a-young-kennedy-in-kushnerland-turned-whistle-blower

Well if you wondered why there are still supply chain issues for n95's...

An extreme far left pub, and a story about a Kennedy, who claims he was part of a small group of inexperienced volunteers of 20 somethings for a month, trying to save the world, doesn't pass on his concerns up the chain and sends a letter to the house oversight committee. And the story comes out 6 months later.

 

[notredomer23]

Just saw that Indiana moved to Phase 5 which means 100% capacity. Cases have been flat since mid July, with deaths flat around 10/day since the end of June.

 

[Legacy]

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/09/28/a-young-kennedy-in-kushnerland-turned-whistle-blower

Well if you wondered why there are still supply chain issues for n95's...

I thought I could not be surprised anymore as the level of incompetence and utter disregard for the impacts of Covid by this Administration and the lives of healthcare workers and families. What would have happened if they had no volunteers as the only frontline team for PPE for FEMA?

This will occasion the apologists who will attack the source or another poster here.

 

[Irish YJ]

I thought I could not be surprised anymore as the level of incompetence and utter disregard for the impacts of Covid by this Administration and the lives of healthcare workers and families. What would have happened if they had no volunteers as the only frontline team for PPE for FEMA?

This will occasion the apologists who will attack the source or another poster here.

Believe All Sources


lol.. It's not fishy to you that if this were such an important and credible story, that it wouldn't have taken 5 months to come out. If it walks like a duck....

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My parents arrived in Seoul a week ago. Immediately, they took a COVID test. Got PPE from the government. Had to download an app that tracks them. They log their temperatures and symptoms 2x a day. The Health Ministry checks on them. There is no secret immunity. It’s not magic. <a href="https://t.co/IZHcqe13Vv">https://t.co/IZHcqe13Vv</a> <a href="https://t.co/AehK7sVnpi">pic.twitter.com/AehK7sVnpi</a></p>— William Yu (@its_willyu) <a href="https://twitter.com/its_willyu/status/1308854034380599299?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irish#1]

Just saw that Indiana moved to Phase 5 which means 100% capacity. Cases have been flat since mid July, with deaths flat around 10/day since the end of June.

Masks will still be mandatory.

I thought I could not be surprised anymore as the level of incompetence and utter disregard for the impacts of Covid by this Administration and the lives of healthcare workers and families. What would have happened if they had no volunteers as the only frontline team for PPE for FEMA?

This will occasion the apologists who will attack the source or another poster here.

You honestly believe the government left supplying PPE to the countries hospitals, facilities, etc. to a group of 20 unpaid untrained volunteers? If you do, meet me in Brooklyn. I've got deal on a bridge you won't be able to resist.

 

[BeatSC]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My parents arrived in Seoul a week ago. Immediately, they took a COVID test. Got PPE from the government. Had to download an app that tracks them. They log their temperatures and symptoms 2x a day. The Health Ministry checks on them. There is no secret immunity. It’s not magic. <a href="https://t.co/IZHcqe13Vv">https://t.co/IZHcqe13Vv</a> <a href="https://t.co/AehK7sVnpi">pic.twitter.com/AehK7sVnpi</a></p>— William Yu (@its_willyu) <a href="https://twitter.com/its_willyu/status/1308854034380599299?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So is every local government waiting for the federal government to step in and solve their problems? Since the state and local govs have so much say over this why don't they start the ball rolling. The so-called experts on this at the Federal level have been wrong so often that the states should work on their own solutions and find a best practice that works and share it. We could all seek advice from the savior of NY and darling of the mainstream media Gov Cuomo, Nancy and DeBlasio.

 

[Irish YJ]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My parents arrived in Seoul a week ago. Immediately, they took a COVID test. Got PPE from the government. Had to download an app that tracks them. They log their temperatures and symptoms 2x a day. The Health Ministry checks on them. There is no secret immunity. It’s not magic. <a href="https://t.co/IZHcqe13Vv">https://t.co/IZHcqe13Vv</a> <a href="https://t.co/AehK7sVnpi">pic.twitter.com/AehK7sVnpi</a></p>— William Yu (@its_willyu) <a href="https://twitter.com/its_willyu/status/1308854034380599299?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not sure about the context, but if some racial/ethnic groups are more at risk because of health or income factors, it's not a stretch to think some ethnic groups may be less at risk. Below is an article on why Chinese are healthier and gaining in life expectancy. Diet, more sleep, etc are just some of the factors.

As far as health measures, I'm sure the big brother stuff is absolutely helping, but can you imagine how most Americans would react to that type of intrusion?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...ive-reasons-chinese-live-longer-healthy-lives

 

[Legacy]

Masks will still be mandatory.



You honestly believe the government left supplying PPE to the countries hospitals, facilities, etc. to a group of 20 unpaid untrained volunteers? If you do, meet me in Brooklyn. I've got deal on a bridge you won't be able to resist.

You and YJ looking at me or Perthdomer, who posted the article wondering why there was a shortage? Or both?

The subject is the lack of PPE investigated by Congress. What in the world is the the White House covid-19 Supply-Chain Task Force at the headquarters of the Federal Emergency Management Agency staffed by twenty volunteers without any coordination other than Kushner?

On the PPE shortage:
PPE Shortage Could Last Years Without Strategic Plan, Experts Warn (KHN)

Healthcare workers lives should be a priority not political.

 

[Irish YJ]

You and YJ looking at me or Perthdomer, who posted the article wondering why there was a shortage? Or both?

The subject is the lack of PPE investigated by Congress. What in the world is the the White House covid-19 Supply-Chain Task Force at the headquarters of the Federal Emergency Management Agency staffed by twenty volunteers without any coordination other than Kushner?

On the PPE shortage:
PPE Shortage Could Last Years Without Strategic Plan, Experts Warn (KHN)

Healthcare workers lives should be a priority not political.

If you don't understand why folks would question elements of this, I can't help you.

There's a reason why this didn't even make it to the NYTs, and was relegated to a smaller, an even farther left pub like the NYer. It's because it's what the NYer lives on.

I get it, fits your narrative, and you want to embrace it.

By the way, a large hospital here in ATL had a shortage of PPE. A group donated a bunch to the hospital, only to find out they were getting PPE from a company that had offered to sell the hospital PPE, but the local/state red tape prevented them from ordering from vendors outside of a few "preferred" partners. Meanwhile, we just had a big feed the city event where tons of PPE were given away for free, as I understand it, easily procured from the same company above. Pretty obvious, at least, and in this situation, the hospital and local gov was stepping on it's own dick.

 

[ulukinatme]

I love hearing how Trump is responsible for 200k Covid deaths. Is Trump supposed to be checking that everyone is wearing their mask and socially distancing? Was it Trump's fault when 20 somethings were partying it up in downtown New York in the Spring when they were supposed to be staying home? My wife is a nurse at an assisted living facility, family members were breaking the law and pushing their way into the building to see elderly family members when they were told they weren't allowed in...maybe Trump should have personally barred the doors?

People are responsible for their own actions. My sister-in-law, like an idiot, decided to keep visiting her grandmother this spring instead of keeping her distance. She may or may not have given her a flu, which sent her for a short stay in a nursing home where she later contracted Covid and passed away due to the complications. That's not on Trump, it's a pandemic. It's up to everyone to be responsible and do the smart thing, especially around the elderly and those that are at risk. Even if you want to believe Trump didn't do enough in the beginning (Despite the WHO telling us China had it under control and it was a mild concern at best), how is he still responsible today for deaths several months later after shutting the country down and constant reminders from the CDC to practice safe distancing, use masks, and to avoid situations that could lead to virus transmission? It's a fucking pandemic, the likes of which we haven't seen in 100 years. This won't be over until a suitable vaccine is released and/or enough people have achieved immunity.

 

[Irish YJ]

I love hearing how Trump is responsible for 200k Covid deaths. Is Trump supposed to be checking that everyone is wearing their mask and socially distancing? Was it Trump's fault when 20 somethings were partying it up in downtown New York in the Spring when they were supposed to be staying home? My wife is a nurse at an assisted living facility, family members were breaking the law and pushing their way into the building to see elderly family members when they were told they weren't allowed in...maybe Trump should have personally barred the doors?

People are responsible for their own actions. My sister-in-law, like an idiot, decided to keep visiting her grandmother this spring instead of keeping her distance. She may or may not have given her a flu, which sent her for a short stay in a nursing home where she later contracted Covid and passed away due to the complications. That's not on Trump, it's a pandemic. It's up to everyone to be responsible and do the smart thing, especially around the elderly and those that are at risk. Even if you want to believe Trump didn't do enough in the beginning (Despite the WHO telling us China had it under control and it was a mild concern at best), how is he still responsible today for deaths several months later after shutting the country down and constant reminders from the CDC to practice safe distancing, use masks, and to avoid situations that could lead to virus transmission? It's a fucking pandemic, the likes of which we haven't seen in 100 years. This won't be over until a suitable vaccine is released and/or enough people have achieved immunity.

And I loved how Bill Gates said that the China ban actually made the outbreak worse. I don't know WTF he was talking about. It's all Trump's fault....

 

[NDBoiler]

Something that I have wondered about as this pandemic drags on is how this would look if it was 1980 instead of 2020. Without the internet and social media (and the corresponding emotion-based decision making that is often displayed), would there be the same level of concern? I’m not trying to downplay the seriousness of the situation, as it can certainly more likely to be so for those at high risk, but I also feel that in today’s day and age, society is so hung up on being connected and often over scrutinizing every little tidbit of information. We take anecdotal stories and treat them as widespread fact in a world where virtually anyone can “report” news with zero credibility. I think we lose sight of the fact that we have altered our lives so much (and reality for some) to be so dependent on it, that most don’t even realize this shift, and that it can affect our ability to think rationally and logically. Just something interesting to think about.

 

[ulukinatme]

Something that I have wondered about as this pandemic drags on is how this would look if it was 1980 instead of 2020. Without the internet and social media (and the corresponding emotion-based decision making that is often displayed), would there be the same level of concern? I’m not trying to downplay the seriousness of the situation, as it can certainly more likely to be so for those at high risk, but I also feel that in today’s day and age, society is so hung up on being connected and often over scrutinizing every little tidbit of information. I think we lose sight of the fact that we have altered our lives so much (and reality for some) to be so dependent on it, that most don’t even realize this shift, and that it can affect our ability to think rationally and logically. Just something interesting to think about.

Really it's all Al Gore's fault, he created the Internet!

 

[PerthDomer]

Something that I have wondered about as this pandemic drags on is how this would look if it was 1980 instead of 2020. Without the internet and social media (and the corresponding emotion-based decision making that is often displayed), would there be the same level of concern? I’m not trying to downplay the seriousness of the situation, as it can certainly more likely to be so for those at high risk, but I also feel that in today’s day and age, society is so hung up on being connected and often over scrutinizing every little tidbit of information. We take anecdotal stories and treat them as widespread fact in a world where virtually anyone can “report” news with zero credibility. I think we lose sight of the fact that we have altered our lives so much (and reality for some) to be so dependent on it, that most don’t even realize this shift, and that it can affect our ability to think rationally and logically. Just something interesting to think about.

In the 80's we'd have less ability to work from home. More multigenerational family units, and the state of medicine was far worse. Our ability to mitigate would be lower and the pandemic would be deadlier especially amongst people younger than 70. Mask wearing at least would likely be more universal. Then again you'd have a less obese population so that might help things.

 

[Irish YJ]

In the 80's we'd have less ability to work from home. More multigenerational family units, and the state of medicine was far worse. Our ability to mitigate would be lower and the pandemic would be deadlier especially amongst people younger than 70. Mask wearing at least would likely be more universal. Then again you'd have a less obese population so that might help things.

There wasn't near the international travel back then, so the spread might not have been near as bad. There wasn't near as much travel in general back then. And, we could have just ended up like Sweden, who is no worse than most others.

 

[TorontoGold]

There wasn't near the international travel back then, so the spread might not have been near as bad. There wasn't near as much travel in general back then. And, we could have just ended up like Sweden, who is no worse than most others.

Deaths per 1M for Sweden really aren't that glamorous at 13th in the world (11th if you take out San Marino and Andorra). Data from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Strive a bit higher than Sweden.

Honestly the policies up here aren't restrictive at all, we even had a pro-Trump rallies in Ottawa recently.

 

[PerthDomer]

I work in critical care. We're worlds better at what we do now than even 2000. Similar numbers of 50 60 and 70 yos end up in ICU's. The mortality curves in 50 yo's would be really bad. We didn't have noninvasive ventilatory support, ventilators were crappy and we didn't know how to use them. We also didnt have ecmo.

Additionally we didnt have testing technology. China never would have had a handle on the pandemic. It probably would have taken longer to get here but it would have been really really bad.

 

[IrishLax]

I love hearing how Trump is responsible for 200k Covid deaths. Is Trump supposed to be checking that everyone is wearing their mask and socially distancing? Was it Trump's fault when 20 somethings were partying it up in downtown New York in the Spring when they were supposed to be staying home? My wife is a nurse at an assisted living facility, family members were breaking the law and pushing their way into the building to see elderly family members when they were told they weren't allowed in...maybe Trump should have personally barred the doors?

Come on man, this is total bullshit. This is not what people are saying, at all.

People blame Trump because of his veritable failures in leadership:
1. It is a fact that there was a plan to send every family in the country facemasks, and Trumped nixed it.
2. It is a fact that Jared Kushner (of all people!) put together an aggressive testing plan, and Trump nixed it.
3. It is a fact that he admitted to intentionally downplaying the virus to the American public despite knowing it was much more deadly and serious than he was saying. They have him on tape admitting this. Meanwhile, the ones who are anti-mask and anti-social distancing and anti-quarantine are overwhelmingly Trump supporters that listened to his words/advice.
4. It is a fact that Trump has repeatedly called COVID a "hoax".
5. It is a fact that Trump said it would "miraculously" go away in April.
6. It is a fact that Trump just this week went on an unhinged rant about how COVID affects "nobody".
7. It is a fact that a top Pence aide on the COVID task force resigned and wrote a letter that Trump does not care about public health and only cares about how his COVID policy affects re-election.

These are just a handful of reasons why people blame Trump for the United States' failures in handling COVID. People look to leaders to lead by example. It is impossible to ask the citizenry to take something seriously when the leader continually acts or says things that show he does not.

None of these are even debatable or opinion, these are stone cold facts on things he has done or said.

 

[Irish YJ]

Deaths per 1M for Sweden really aren't that glamorous at 13th in the world (11th if you take out San Marino and Andorra). Data from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Strive a bit higher than Sweden.

Honestly the policies up here aren't restrictive at all, we even had a pro-Trump rallies in Ottawa recently.

Yes, but they're better than than Spain, US, UK, Italy, etc. and haven't closed nearly as much as the ones above and below them. Point is, they're balls out, and sitting the same or better.

 

[NDBoiler]

In the 80's we'd have less ability to work from home. More multigenerational family units, and the state of medicine was far worse. Our ability to mitigate would be lower and the pandemic would be deadlier especially amongst people younger than 70. Mask wearing at least would likely be more universal. Then again you'd have a less obese population so that might help things.

Those are logical points and I think there is some validity to the medical impact being more significant. Although, we were much less of a global society back then, so who’s to say it may have been actually more easily controlled and isolated in Wuhan before it got out of control? My point was more so that I think as a society we would have viewed it differently. There’s literally hundreds of websites that track daily cases by country/state/county, it’s no wonder some people act as if they are afraid to leave their home because they think if someone looks at them wrong they’ll drop dead in the street. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not one of those “anti-mask” nuts (which just sounds like such a weird thing to be anti- ), as I definitely see the value of masks to protect others and always wear one when appropriate. I just think that we allow the modern news cycle and social media to hijack so much of our ability to think independently and make sound judgement decisions ourselves.

 

[yankeehater]

Come on man, this is total bullshit. This is not what people are saying, at all.

People blame Trump because of his veritable failures in leadership:
1. It is a fact that there was a plan to send every family in the country facemasks, and Trumped nixed it.
2. It is a fact that Jared Kushner (of all people!) put together an aggressive testing plan, and Trump nixed it.
3. It is a fact that he admitted to intentionally downplaying the virus to the American public despite knowing it was much more deadly and serious than he was saying. They have him on tape admitting this. Meanwhile, the ones who are anti-mask and anti-social distancing and anti-quarantine are overwhelmingly Trump supporters that listened to his words/advice.
4. It is a fact that Trump has repeatedly called COVID a "hoax".
5. It is a fact that Trump said it would "miraculously" go away in April.
6. It is a fact that Trump just this week went on an unhinged rant about how COVID affects "nobody".
7. It is a fact that a top Pence aide on the COVID task force resigned and wrote a letter that Trump does not care about public health and only cares about how his COVID policy affects re-election.

These are just a handful of reasons why people blame Trump for the United States' failures in handling COVID. People look to leaders to lead by example. It is impossible to ask the citizenry to take something seriously when the leader continually acts or says things that show he does not.

None of these are even debatable or opinion, these are stone cold facts on things he has done or said.[/QUOTE]

LOL!. Maybe you should even check with MSN and CNN before making that statement.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...d-covid-19-a-hoax/ar-BB199rpw?ocid=uxbndlbing

 

[PerthDomer]

COVID had a higher death toll in NYC than the spanish flu. It would be bad, but we'd have no shot at real containment or a quick vaccine so it'd probably burn through the population. If we have a 1% mortality rate now it'd be 2 or 3% then. Maybe higher if we swamped the medical infrastructure.

 

[TorontoGold]

Come on man, this is total bullshit. This is not what people are saying, at all.

People blame Trump because of his veritable failures in leadership:
1. It is a fact that there was a plan to send every family in the country facemasks, and Trumped nixed it.
2. It is a fact that Jared Kushner (of all people!) put together an aggressive testing plan, and Trump nixed it.
3. It is a fact that he admitted to intentionally downplaying the virus to the American public despite knowing it was much more deadly and serious than he was saying. They have him on tape admitting this. Meanwhile, the ones who are anti-mask and anti-social distancing and anti-quarantine are overwhelmingly Trump supporters that listened to his words/advice.
4. It is a fact that Trump has repeatedly called COVID a "hoax".
5. It is a fact that Trump said it would "miraculously" go away in April.
6. It is a fact that Trump just this week went on an unhinged rant about how COVID affects "nobody".
7. It is a fact that a top Pence aide on the COVID task force resigned and wrote a letter that Trump does not care about public health and only cares about how his COVID policy affects re-election.

These are just a handful of reasons why people blame Trump for the United States' failures in handling COVID. People look to leaders to lead by example. It is impossible to ask the citizenry to take something seriously when the leader continually acts or says things that show he does not.

None of these are even debatable or opinion, these are stone cold facts on things he has done or said.[/QUOTE]

LOL!. Maybe you should even check with MSN and CNN before making that statement.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...d-covid-19-a-hoax/ar-BB199rpw?ocid=uxbndlbing

Isn't comparing it to the Russia investigation (which he refers to as a hoax) and calling it "their new hoax", calling it a hoax by association?

Seems like a lot of mental gymnastics.

 

[IrishLax]

LOL!. Maybe you should even check with MSN and CNN before making that statement.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...d-covid-19-a-hoax/ar-BB199rpw?ocid=uxbndlbing

Did you even read what you linked? It said Biden's ad was misleading. Trump literally said:

this is their new hoax

When talking about Democrats taking the virus seriously and being critical of his leadership.

And I love that this is your cherry picked response because you can't assail any of the other points. And there are literally dozens of other examples people can add to my short list.

 

[Irish#1]

In the 80's we'd have less ability to work from home. More multigenerational family units, and the state of medicine was far worse. Our ability to mitigate would be lower and the pandemic would be deadlier especially amongst people younger than 70. Mask wearing at least would likely be more universal. Then again you'd have a less obese population so that might help things.

There wouldn’t be any ability to work from home. Modems were in the 2.4 - 9.6 range and weren’t readily available to access work. I’m not sure I agree with more multigenerational family units, but medicine is certainly better now.

 

[IrishLax]

Isn't comparing it to the Russia investigation (which he refers to as a hoax) and calling it "their new hoax", calling it a hoax by association?

Seems like a lot of mental gymnastics.

It is, yankee just wanted to try to score points on one of seven bullet points and couldn't even get the point of the article he linked correct.

 

[Irish YJ]

Come on man, this is total bullshit. This is not what people are saying, at all.

People blame Trump because of his veritable failures in leadership:
1. It is a fact that there was a plan to send every family in the country facemasks, and Trumped nixed it.
-Has any other country done this? We keep hearing of shortages for hospitals, etc, yet there is enough to send to everyone? By the way, I've had zero problem finding them on my own through most, if not all of this ordeal.
2. It is a fact that Jared Kushner (of all people!) put together an aggressive testing plan, and Trump nixed it.
-Are you talking about the Chinese test kits? Weren't those rife with issues?
3. It is a fact that he admitted to intentionally downplaying the virus to the American public despite knowing it was much more deadly and serious than he was saying. They have him on tape admitting this. Meanwhile, the ones who are anti-mask and anti-social distancing and anti-quarantine are overwhelmingly Trump supporters that listened to his words/advice.
-While I don't care for downplaying (if you're talking about the tapes of him early, I understand not wanting to create panic in the early months. And in the early months, what did we hear from Fauci? There was a good article lining up actual dates and who said what when.
4. It is a fact that Trump has repeatedly called COVID a "hoax".
-This as you know, is taken out of context at best, and a downright lie at worst. Here's an AP fact check
https://apnews.com/1eea443cca46df5f18e61b7c34549da2
5. It is a fact that Trump said it would "miraculously" go away in April.
He said that in early February, when there was a lot of speculation that it might be flu like. A few weeks later, Pelosi was telling people to come to Chinatown.
https://youtu.be/CmllqkU6j2k
6. It is a fact that Trump just this week went on an unhinged rant about how COVID affects "nobody".
-Again, context. His full quote was that it affected eldering and folks with pre-existing conditions. People new what he was implying. I know you're smart enough to translate if you saw the actual comments. Folks that don't like him, want to play more "hoax" word games. And we all know very few have died from "just" covid. And we also know that Covid was listed as COD for some that were never even tested, that just had "symptoms".
7. It is a fact that a top Pence aide on the COVID task force resigned and wrote a letter that Trump does not care about public health and only cares about how his COVID policy affects re-election.
-The same girl that her boss says he fired her?
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/22/pence-aide-blasts-olivia-troye-coronavirus-420063

These are just a handful of reasons why people blame Trump for the United States' failures in handling COVID. People look to leaders to lead by example. It is impossible to ask the citizenry to take something seriously when the leader continually acts or says things that show he does not.

None of these are even debatable or opinion, these are stone cold facts on things he has done or said.

Many of these are very debatable. I don't like a lot of things about the way he's handled things, but a lot of the above is very debatable, and most is pure political.

 

[ulukinatme]

Come on man, this is total bullshit. This is not what people are saying, at all.

People blame Trump because of his veritable failures in leadership:
1. It is a fact that there was a plan to send every family in the country facemasks, and Trumped nixed it.
2. It is a fact that Jared Kushner (of all people!) put together an aggressive testing plan, and Trump nixed it.
3. It is a fact that he admitted to intentionally downplaying the virus to the American public despite knowing it was much more deadly and serious than he was saying. They have him on tape admitting this. Meanwhile, the ones who are anti-mask and anti-social distancing and anti-quarantine are overwhelmingly Trump supporters that listened to his words/advice.
4. It is a fact that Trump has repeatedly called COVID a "hoax".
5. It is a fact that Trump said it would "miraculously" go away in April.
6. It is a fact that Trump just this week went on an unhinged rant about how COVID affects "nobody".
7. It is a fact that a top Pence aide on the COVID task force resigned and wrote a letter that Trump does not care about public health and only cares about how his COVID policy affects re-election.

These are just a handful of reasons why people blame Trump for the United States' failures in handling COVID. People look to leaders to lead by example. It is impossible to ask the citizenry to take something seriously when the leader continually acts or says things that show he does not.

None of these are even debatable or opinion, these are stone cold facts on things he has done or said.

A President can put all kinds of regulations in place. You can send masks to everyone, even though they're readily available at many stores already. You can say only essential businesses can be open. None of this matters if people don't practice common sense and act responsibly. People have pushed their way into my wife's work to see their family despite the lock down, regulations don't do shit. You say that Trump's supporters are the ones that are pushing anti-mask, anti-social distancing, etc...but where has Covid been most effective? Not suburbia and rural areas where Trump does best, it's metropolitan areas. Ohio has had only 4000 deaths, almost all of them in the major cities. So don't blame it on the Trump supporters when it's the blue cities with a large majority of the infections.