2016 Presidential Horse Race

2016 Presidential Horse Race


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GoIrish41

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A Trumpian comeback. Bringing the heat. Bravo.

GoIrish, does anything hurt this guy? He lies incessantly, he race-baits, he flip-flops on every major issue, he fear-mongers, he talks about communist leaders in glowing terms, he loves Hillart then hates her, he cheats on his wives and brags about it, he friggin' calls reporters and pretends he's a made-up publicist just to brag about himself...I mean, has ANY of this mattered to his sheep? And most of he rest of the GOP have cowardly fallen in line with him.

He's got my former party by the balls and he knows it, and he's not going to change, bc none of this stuff sticks. Respectfully, I think people are nuts if you think something like this will change anything. He's the new Teflon Don. It's going to take something a LOT bigger to hurt him, or there will finally be a normal-sized screw up that will finally be the tipping point for him for the non-sheep to be done with him. But this? IMHO, much ado about nothing my man...just another day in paradise for Trumph.
No disrespect intended, but your former party is batshit crazy and they would support a tuna fish sandwich over Hillary, just as they have had an irrational hatred of Obama for the entirety of his presidency and made government about blocking progress instead of getting anything done. Convincing them to support Trump is a completely different thing than convincing the rest of the country that will not be driven by bigotry, hatred, personal insults, and false bravado in the absence of intellect. Lucky for the country that we have been on a left trajectory in national elections since W demonstrated what happens when we put a moron in the Oval Office. And Trump makes W look like a genius. Trump is a force of nature with the dolts he's been pandering to for the past year, and his stupid ideas and incendiary rhetoric will be repeated early and often by Hillary and the Democrats to reinforce the notion of how dangerously unprepared he is to be president. If South Korea and Japan pursue nukes because of Trump's idiocies it will certainly harm him politically with the rational majority of the country.
 

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People keep talking about how petty Donald Trump can be, but what about the Old Shrew? You think she doesn't have it in her?

From Here they are: Hillary’s 22 biggest scandals ever

Additionally, the General Accounting Office, an investigative arm of Congress, reported that ”damage, theft, vandalism and pranks did occur in the White House complex” during the presidential transition from Bill Clinton to George W. Bush – including the theft of a presidential seal. According to the General Accounting Office, the cost of the White House vandalism reached about $14,000 and included $4,850 to replace computer keyboards with damaged or missing “W” keys. The agency said some of the destruction was intentional, including glue smeared on desks, broken furniture, offices full of trash and graffiti in a men’s restroom stall that disparaged Bush. There were also missing doorknobs, medallions and office signs.
 

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LOTS of this is also true of Hillary.

Hillary has her own demons, no doubt, and you haven't seen me defending her on those. But the stuff I wrote, besides the lying and flip-flopping, most of it belongs exclusively to Donald.

Edit: GoIrish41 beat me to it. Not only is the Donald a giant egomaniac, he's also a friggin' weirdo lol.
 

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...Not only is the Donald a giant egomaniac, he's also a friggin' weirdo lol...


traits that are not good on the small stage, but a proven winner on the big stage. Trump plays to 10 ppl as if it were 10,000ppl; plays to 10,000 as if it was the world stage; he's Arena-ready.

gotta think multi-process
 
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Are the debates gun-free zones or could Trump show up packing?

Wouldn't that show the real difference? Hilliary would take everyone's guns away so she could establish a socialist state!!!
 

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Mark Cuban is apparently willing to listen to both parties in consideration for a Vice President role.

Whew, I feel better now.
 

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Mark Cuban is apparently willing to listen to both parties in consideration for a Vice President role.

Whew, I feel better now.

Probably better than the con artist in a pantsuit or the con artist in orange.
 

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kmoose

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People who already hate her won't read it, but FWIW...

Fact-checking ‘Hillary Clinton lying for 13 minutes straight’ | PolitiFact

ETA: The Cliff's Notes version is that there are some lies/flip flops or whatever you want to call them. But there's also a lot of context that is deliberately left out. Most politicians could have very similar videos made about them.


From the aforementioned article:

there’s some nuance the video leaves out.

From 1999 to at least 2007, she continuously opposed same-sex marriage while consistently supporting civil unions for gay and lesbian couples.

So when Conservatives opposed gay marriage, but supported Civil Unions, they were homophobic, but when Clinton does the same, it is "nuance"?
 

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No disrespect intended, but your former party is batshit crazy and they would support a tuna fish sandwich over Hillary, just as they have had an irrational hatred of Obama for the entirety of his presidency and made government about blocking progress instead of getting anything done. Convincing them to support Trump is a completely different thing than convincing the rest of the country that will not be driven by bigotry, hatred, personal insults, and false bravado in the absence of intellect. Lucky for the country that we have been on a left trajectory in national elections since W demonstrated what happens when we put a moron in the Oval Office. And Trump makes W look like a genius. Trump is a force of nature with the dolts he's been pandering to for the past year, and his stupid ideas and incendiary rhetoric will be repeated early and often by Hillary and the Democrats to reinforce the notion of how dangerously unprepared he is to be president. If South Korea and Japan pursue nukes because of Trump's idiocies it will certainly harm him politically with the rational majority of the country.

Blocking progress...lmao. The guy could've passed whatever the hell he wanted for his first two years with ZERO opposition. No matter...all our president needs is a phone and a pen.
 

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From the aforementioned article:



So when Conservatives opposed gay marriage, but supported Civil Unions, they were homophobic, but when Clinton does the same, it is "nuance"?

I think that supporting civil unions was always a defend-able stance. Especially for people who said we should simply make all state-sanctioned unions into civil unions and reserve the term "marriage" for churches. But that wasn't the typical Republican stance. Even in 2012 (including Romney).

GOP platform team rejects civil unions - POLITICO

2012 Presidential Candidates on Same Sex Issues

She's right though. Lots of people have evolved on this topic.
 
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Blocking progress...lmao. The guy could've passed whatever the hell he wanted for his first two years with ZERO opposition. No matter...all our president needs is a phone and a pen.

How many times do I have to point out that this is not true?
 

Irish#1

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No disrespect intended, but your former party is batshit crazy and they would support a tuna fish sandwich over Hillary, just as they have had an irrational hatred of Obama for the entirety of his presidency and made government about blocking progress instead of getting anything done. Convincing them to support Trump is a completely different thing than convincing the rest of the country that will not be driven by bigotry, hatred, personal insults, and false bravado in the absence of intellect. Lucky for the country that we have been on a left trajectory in national elections since W demonstrated what happens when we put a moron in the Oval Office. And Trump makes W look like a genius. Trump is a force of nature with the dolts he's been pandering to for the past year, and his stupid ideas and incendiary rhetoric will be repeated early and often by Hillary and the Democrats to reinforce the notion of how dangerously unprepared he is to be president. If South Korea and Japan pursue nukes because of Trump's idiocies it will certainly harm him politically with the rational majority of the country.

The reasons those countries may pursue nuclear weapons is because of a guy named Kim Jong-un, not Trump.
 

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No disrespect intended, but your former party is batshit crazy and they would support a tuna fish sandwich over Hillary, just as they have had an irrational hatred of Obama's policies for the entirety of his presidency and made government about blocking progress instead of getting anything done. Convincing them to support Trump is a completely different thing than convincing the rest of the country that will not be driven by bigotry, hatred, personal insults, and false bravado in the absence of intellect. Lucky for the country that we have been on a left trajectory in national elections since W demonstrated what happens when we put a moron in the Oval Office. And Trump makes W look like a genius. Trump is a force of nature with the dolts he's been pandering to for the past year, and his stupid ideas and incendiary rhetoric will be repeated early and often by Hillary and the Democrats to reinforce the notion of how dangerously unprepared he is to be president. If South Korea and Japan pursue nukes because of Trump's idiocies it will certainly harm him politically with the rational majority of the country.

1) FIFY (I even let you keep the irrational hatred part)
2) Like W was treated better by D's

The reasons those countries may pursue nuclear weapons is because of a guy named Kim Jong-un, not Trump.

No no no... it is obviously because of a guy all the media is telling us has no chance to win the presidential election that Japan and South Korea have been thinking and potentially planning out nuclear strategies beginning about 3 months ago.
 
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The reasons those countries may pursue nuclear weapons is because of a guy named Kim Jong-un, not Trump.

When you have a U.S. political figure suggesting that maybe its time for other countries to have their own nukes to protect themselves, that is dangerous. So yeah, N.Korea having them is troubling, but Trump starting a conversation about expanding the list of those who have them does not make the world safer for anyone. Couple that with the idea that he is talking about pulling back U.S. involvement in world affairs because of the price tag ... It's downright irresponsible, and those who are serious about global security will hold him to account for his comments moving forward
 
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When you have a U.S. political figure suggesting that maybe its time for other countries to have their own nukes to protect themselves, that is dangerous. So yeah, N.Korea having them is troubling, but Trump starting a conversation about expanding the list of those who have them does not make the world safer for anyone. Couple that with the idea that he is talking about pulling back U.S. involvement in world affairs because of the price tag ... It's downright irresponsible, and those who are serious about global security will hold him to account for his comments moving forward, particularly if we

if we.................

Go? You Ok there dude? You don't normally drop off mid-sentence....


OMG...Go was ABDUCTED BY ALIENS IN MID-POST!
 

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It's a conspiracy! Those right wing bastards have tak

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GATTACA!

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Sorry I just saw this response

He lies incessantly

Do I even need to cover this one for Hillary? Just look at her emails

he race-baits

You guys clearly have forgotten her 2008 race against Obama when Hillary and Bill constantly used race baiting to try and leach white support away from Obama. Not only using race, but also the theories that he was a secret muslim.......more on this later

Hillary Rodham Clinton vowed Wednesday to continue her quest for the Democratic nomination, arguing she would be the stronger nominee because she appeals to a wider coalition of voters — including whites who have not supported Barack Obama in recent contests.
"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.

Clinton's blunt remarks about race came a day after primaries in Indiana and North Carolina dealt symbolic and mathematical blows to her White House ambitions.

Clinton makes case for wide appeal

he flip-flops on every major issue

LOL. Here's 8:30 of nothing but Clinton flip flops

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he fear-mongers

What would you call insinuating that Obama was a muslim, or purposely circulating a photo of Obama that would make it appear that way? How is that even relevant to the race between the two? What if he was muslim? How does that have any effect on his ability to perform the duties of the presidency?

Ohhh that's right it's irrelevant, Hillary was just playing on the fear of a certain segment of the electorate that would be irrationally fearful of a candidate who is muslim.

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe accused the Clinton campaign Monday of "shameful offensive fear-mongering" by circulating a photo as an attempted smear.

Here's a great video of Hillary finally conceding the fact that Obama isn't a muslim.....as far as she knows. Disregard the fact that by not making it clear that it's irrelevant either way regardless she is fear mongering.

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he talks about communist leaders in glowing terms

Who would you rather have as POTUS a person that gets along with one of the world's most powerful leaders, or someone that has blatant disdain for them? Putin is a crazy person. I would rather have someone in charge that he gets along with rather than someone we know he absolutely hates.

In any case Clinton has far worse friends than Trumps buddy Vlad.

Hillary Clinton Slams Donald Trump For Praising Dictators, But She Has Praised Dictatorial Regimes That Donated To Her Family Foundation

While secretary of state in 2009, Clinton praised Egypt’s then-dictator Hosni Mubarak, telling ABC News she considered the president “and Mrs. Mubarak to be friends of my family.

Last year, following the death of Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz, the Clintons released a statement through their foundation saying that they were “grateful” for the king’s efforts to bring peace to the Middle East, the close economic cooperation between Saudi Arabia and the U.S., and the “kingdom’s humanitarian efforts around the world.”

Clinton also praised Chinese President Xi Jinping in 2013, who she said appeared to be a pragmatic leader and a natural politician.

At the same time, Clinton’s family foundation has received quite a bit of cash from dictatorial regimes abroad. In the years leading up to Clinton becoming secretary of state, the foundation received at least $10 million from Saudi Arabia. Clinton’s State Department later approved $29 billion worth of defense contracts between U.S. companies and the kingdom. Clinton’s State Department also approved arms sales to countries with authoritarian regimes that the department itself criticized for human rights abuses, including Algeria, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Oman and Qatar. All of those regimes donated to the Clinton Foundation as well.

But Trump is the dangerous one.........riiiiiiiight.

he loves Hillart then hates her

Same exact thing can be said of Hillary. How is Trump inviting Hillary to his wedding a bad thing but no one cares that Hillary was invited to and attended the same wedding? Two sides of the same coin in that situation.

Trump was willing to put money in the pocket of anyone that would gain him some political influence. Hillary was willing to use her political influence to help anyone that would put money in her pocket.

he cheats on his wives and brags about it

How can you say this with a straight face when you support Hillary? She not only stood by her pig husband Bill after he cheated on her umpteen time, she went as far as to slander the women Bill assaulted to keep them quiet. She talks about how every woman that is assaulted has the right to be heard.....unless the accused happens to be her husband

Hillary Clinton's History Of Silencing Rape Victims

Whereas Bill has a notorious reputation regarding sexual misconduct, Hillary has made repeated statements to undermine his victim’s stories and reputations. Not only has Hillary referred to Monica Lewinsky as a "narcissistic loony toon," as well as calling Gennifer Flowers "trailer trash," but she has also actively destroyed the reputations of those who accused her husband.

A Woman Who Was Sexually Assaulted by Bill Clinton Drops a BOMB on Hillary

Bill Clinton has always treated women in a disgusting manner, and when he was initially running for President, his wife Hillary ran a “war room” to crack down on so called “bimbo eruptions.” This was the name given to the countless stories of infidelity and sexual assaults committed by Bill Clinton over the years.

But her hypocrisy doesn't just end there! There is also an audio recording of her laughing about how she got a child rapist acquitted in a case against a 12 year old girl.

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HILARIOUS!

he friggin' calls reporters and pretends he's a made-up publicist just to brag about himself.

I've got nothing for this one. This one is strange lol. It is the most benign and irrelevant issues on this list though.

I mean, has ANY of this mattered to his sheep? And most of the rest of the GOP have cowardly fallen in line with him.

I mean has any of this mattered to Hillary supporters? No most of the democratic party have cowardly fallen into line with her.

She's a despicable human being.
 

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Women Really, Really Dislike Trump: Take Note, Republicans (National Review)

Republicans still haven’t learned. In the autopsy of the 2012 presidential campaign, the Republican National Committee concluded that the party needed to “improve its efforts to include female voters” and “represent some of the unique concerns that female voters may have.” But the top two Republican presidential candidates — Donald Trump and Ted Cruz — have the lowest favorability ratings in the field among women. If nominated, Cruz would probably perform the same as Romney, whereas Trump would probably lose the women’s vote by the biggest margin in 50 years
 

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