Clemson Post Game

dublinirish

Everestt Gholstonson
Messages
27,314
Reaction score
13,086
been on tigernet this AM for the jollies and this post takes the biscuit so far:

https://www.tigernet.com/forum/thread/Urgent-message-to-Dabo-2032929?tstart=0

Please win the National championship or I may not survive.

Four days after the National championship in January, I had a heart attack and nearly died.

This morning, less than 12 hours after the Notre Dame game, I had a stroke. I am currently recovering well at Greenville Memorial. I should be fine in a couple of days.

I don’t want to know what comes after the next devastating loss.
 

Cackalacky2.0

Specimen
Messages
9,023
Reaction score
8,018
I work with 60 people in my office. Vast majority of these engineers are Clemson grads or Citadel grads who are Clemson fans. In several instances they are Citadel grads who did post grad at Clemson.

Eveyone bypassing my office has said " well see you soon"

giphy.gif
lol
 

spoonidentity

Well-known member
Messages
332
Reaction score
392
A couple odds and ends observations since this game is going to be analyzed to the "nth degree" (which is a good thing!):

- We left points on the board, having a 21-7 lead and burning clock while Clemson tries to claw back is different than keeping it close and letting them utilize their full playbook. They didn't abandon their run, they just weren't effective at executing it. Keep this in mind when the pundits inevitably say that the tenor changes when TL and their defensive players come back for the ACCCG. It will affect it, but ND has room to improve as well.

- The whole season the hand wringing was around Ian Book not throwing receivers open and waiting until after they were open to throw the ball. We all said he should throw with more anticipation because the WRs will make plays for him. Well, he found his confidence in the 4th quarter and throws a perfect ball 20 yards downfield on 4th and 7 on an incutting post route by Ben Skowronek. NFL timing, right there. The ball is thrown before the WR even makes his cut and hits him square in the hands! Leading to a drop. As exasperated as I was during the moment - thinking we had just lost the game - I also had to chuckle. Ian made the throw we've all been asking for with timing and anticipation. Then it's like the wide receivers weren't ready for him to do that.

- In retrospect, I think we had to abandon the run game because Venables was sending blitz after blitz, after blitz. We would have been going straight into a 5 or 6 man rush and I think Tommy just said, "Ok, if you want to play that game I'll just have my star running back sit back and block any and all comers." It worked. Let's see what happens in the rematch. I think we are in a position of power right now but it will be interesting with their D-linemen and LB back. If Venables blitzes we execute the same plan to buy Ian some time, maybe some more underneath drag routes or something with the TEs, but otherwise he knows they can't get pressure on our QB when our OL and RBs pass block like that. If they sit back in zone - we run. All day.
 

NorthDakota

Grandson of Loomis
Messages
15,693
Reaction score
5,993
Absolutely my thoughts. I was screaming, RTDB RTDB! You can call a timeout!

I was ready to headbutt a small child. Run the ball! Oh well.

Will be interesting to see how different the game is assuming we get the rematch. Clemson will be getting some dudes back, but gotta wonder how much Notre Dame really needed a win like this. Also curious how both coaching staffs adjust.
 

NDohio

Well-known member
Messages
5,869
Reaction score
3,060
GOOD:

1. Someone, right now, is using that game film and basing an entire 'OL Cohesion and Effective Blitz Pickup' coaching clinic on it. Shoutout to the big hogs, but especially shoutout to Kyren for not just being able, but being WILLING to stick his nose in there and stone some fools. He's a treat to watch when works in cohesion with the OL, and it's a joy to see the OL pass off a rusher to Kyren with no hesitation and no issue.

2. RESPONDING TO ADVERSITY FOR THE WIN. I thought the game was over in Clemson's favor at several points, but especially when they picked up the PI flag when Dabo got to plead his case right in the ears of the refs as they huddled. Instead of hanging heads and letting Clemson lean on them to run out the clock, the defense did what a Clark Lea defense does, and then Ian Book and Avery Davis dropped their giant brass balls all over Dabo's forehead on the way to overtime. Thank god those dudes respond better than fans do lol.

3. Wanted to avoid calling out all the players individually that everyone already noted... but fuck that, shoutout to Kurt Hinish. The guy played his ass off and wrecked Clemson's inside run game all night. He was disrupting the timing, and the linebackers were taking advantage. Shoutout to Shayne Simon, too... that's a game where the light turns on for a BUCK right there.


THE NOT SO GOOD:

1. Tommy and BK abandoning the run game through basically the whole fourth quarter, and almost blowing the end-of-regulation, goal-to-go opportunity by electing the pass the ball three times from the 5-yard line instead of going downhill. Honestly, even with the redzone issues and miscues, the end of the game didn't need to be THAT stressful. I think if Tommy and BK get a little stubborn and have Kyren continuing to run downhill early in the fourth, Clemson's defense wears down sooner than they did in OT, and the ND D gets their wind back and makes an extra play or two, erasing the need for OT.

2. Redzone execution... They need to be stubborn in their insistence to attack downhill inside the 10, but they also need to clone that play-action pass that Clemson used to their TE, and come up with some other variations, as well. With how much other teams respect the run game, you HAVE to have some answers to make things easier on yourself at some point. You can't always rely on Ian to make a gorgeous throw into a tight window while falling away from pressure when you get yourself into 3rd-and-goal and decide to use a spread formation (but it's pretty fucking sweet when it works out and sends you to OT against the #1 team in the country, I must admit).

3. Honestly surprised Clemson kept trying to run on early downs instead of taking a couple more shots down field. ND was playing aggressive to try and speed DJ U up, and could have cost them a few times had Clemson used their play-action/RPO looks more often.

I sort of agree?

some of our issues in the red zone had nothing to do with the plays called - they were all execution. Procedure penalty - dropped pass that would have been a score - fumble that was already a first down...

Love that our coordinators are getting a lot of national love this morning - hate that our coordinators are getting a lot of national love this morning. LOL Tommy really stepped up Saturday and showed the nation he was not some crony hire. Jeff Quinn is also a much better O-Line coach this year.
 

PANDFAN

Look Down
Messages
16,770
Reaction score
2,278
just want to point out that from the start of the game through the end of it, we were PREPARED in all facets of the game...we didn't buckle under the pressure, didn't have a bunch of false starts, we BELONGED for the 1st time on a HUGE national stage...even without TL, the media has been extremely complimentary of us...feels good man
 

Wingman Ray

Banned
Messages
1,578
Reaction score
110
Kinda amazing how a shirt period of success changes 50+ years of subpar football performance history. Clemson was the BC of the ACC that teams looked forward to playing. SC crushed them yearly. Now all of a sudden, they are royalty.

SMH
 

Cackalacky2.0

Specimen
Messages
9,023
Reaction score
8,018
just want to point out that from the start of the game through the end of it, we were PREPARED in all facets of the game...we didn't buckle under the pressure, didn't have a bunch of false starts, we BELONGED for the 1st time on a HUGE national stage...even without TL, the media has been extremely complimentary of us...feels good man

I'd go as far as to say the players on the field, overall ND was the stronger team. Minus the outright supperstars of Etienne and the qb(s), we have a great physical gritty team.

Our D completely took Etienne out of the game. When was the last time anyone was able to do that?
 

NDohio

Well-known member
Messages
5,869
Reaction score
3,060
I work with 60 people in my office. Vast majority of these engineers are Clemson grads or Citadel grads who are Clemson fans. In several instances they are Citadel grads who did post grad at Clemson.

Eveyone bypassing my office has said " well see you soon"

giphy.gif
lol

My goodness the excuses have been coming in fast a furious this morning.
 

Ndaccountant

Old Hoss
Messages
8,370
Reaction score
5,771
Just one thing I noticed with all the replays, but the first down achieving thrown to the three to Ben should have been a TD to Tremble . Believe this was on the 3rd down in 2nd OT. Wont complain, but literally not a soul near Tommy.
 

zelezo vlk

Well-known member
Messages
18,009
Reaction score
5,047
Just one thing I noticed with all the replays, but the first down achieving thrown to the three to Ben should have been a TD to Tremble . Believe this was on the 3rd down in 2nd OT. Wont complain, but literally not a soul near Tommy.

Yup, noticed that this morning to rewatch the 2OT sequence. Tremble was wide open. Dude really should have a lot more receptions by this point.
 

Cackalacky2.0

Specimen
Messages
9,023
Reaction score
8,018
My goodness the excuses have been coming in fast a furious this morning.

My IT guy is livid this morning. I have been hitting him up for help on menial things just trying to get him in my office. He wont bite .lol
 

GowerND11

Well-known member
Messages
6,536
Reaction score
3,287
Just one thing I noticed with all the replays, but the first down achieving thrown to the three to Ben should have been a TD to Tremble . Believe this was on the 3rd down in 2nd OT. Wont complain, but literally not a soul near Tommy.

I yelled at the TV. Saw it from the snap. "LOOK RIGHT, LOOK RIGHT!"
 

Wild Bill

Well-known member
Messages
5,518
Reaction score
3,261
just want to point out that from the start of the game through the end of it, we were PREPARED in all facets of the game...we didn't buckle under the pressure, didn't have a bunch of false starts, we BELONGED for the 1st time on a HUGE national stage...even without TL, the media has been extremely complimentary of us...feels good man

We definitely "belonged" against Georgia but doubts crept back in after Michigan throttled us. Either way, you're right - this was an important win for national perception.

Wanna read something hilarious? "Would Michigan be satisfied with Brian Kelly’s coaching record?" I'm also gonna post this in the scUM thread

https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/would-michigan-be-satisfied-brian-kelly%27s-coaching-record

MI fans coping - "they don't play Ohio State!" and "big deal, they beat clemson."

Since the nightmare 2016 season, Kelly has put together a 40-6 record, with one undefeated regular season, two bowl wins (one against LSU) and a playoff appearance. The losses were to Georgia twice, Miami, Stanford, Clemson, and Michigan. Some of these were brutal losses but we haven't lost one game that we should have one, i.e., like a Michigan State or IU.

During the same time period, Michigan is 28-14, zero playoff apperances, 0-3 in bowls and blown out in two of them, no playoff apperances. And I know this is difficult for them to understand, but they didn't lose 14 games to OSU. They lost to Wiscy twice, Spartans twice, PSU twice, ND, IU and others.

It's obvious to anyone with three brain cells that they're not an OSU decline away from being kings of the BIG but you gotta get through the season somehow so let them cope.
 

Bluto

Well-known member
Messages
8,146
Reaction score
3,979
The one issue that seemed consistent for the d was accounting for the deep middle of the field. That was there all evening for Clemson. It looked like Crawford on a number of occasions came down in what looked like run support and or covering in the flats and Clemson was able to get over the top. Not sure if it was the scheme/ defensive call or the players. Maybe a combo of the two.
 
Last edited:

arrowryan

Well-known member
Messages
14,715
Reaction score
8,915
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Irish beat #1 Clemson without playing their best football and that is incredible. 15 points were left on the field Saturday night.<br><br>-Michael Mayer fals start on 4th and inches to go up 14-0<br>-Mayer dropped pass to go up 17-7<br>-Ian Book goal line fumble to go up 33-26</p>— Irish Insight (@VictoryLapIrish) <a href="https://twitter.com/VictoryLapIrish/status/1325846968401334272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

greyhammer90

the drunk piano player
Messages
16,821
Reaction score
16,081
just want to point out that from the start of the game through the end of it, we were PREPARED in all facets of the game...we didn't buckle under the pressure, didn't have a bunch of false starts, we BELONGED for the 1st time on a HUGE national stage...even without TL, the media has been extremely complimentary of us...feels good man

Can you put "greyhammer90 will win millions of dollars in the lottery" in your signature? It seems to be working.
 

RDU Irish

Catholics vs. Cousins
Messages
8,622
Reaction score
2,722
I said it would take two big defensive turnovers leading to at least 10 points and got my wish early. JOK TD was stuff dreams are made of. Then I lost faith as we lose the lead and stumble on offense most of the second half. Really didn't think our offense had what it needed to score those last 3 TDs and thought the defense would succumb to the Clemson air raid. Battered fan syndrome no more! We really did pound the crap out of them physically. No more pretender talk.

Kyren for Heisman - not sure if I was more pumped for the 65 yard TD running away from that elite southern speed or him folding rushers like wet blankets with some of the best RB blocking I have seen in a long time.

Kudos to Book - got it done! Bounced right back from that bad fumble and willed this team to victory. Really didn't think he had that closing drive in regulation in him.

I also thought ACC refs would be in the bag for us as a ploy to get two in the playoffs and ensure a top tier title game. Saw somewhere first ACC top 5 matchup ever, would the ACC want to court us? Welp, that didn't last - ACC refs are just consistently bad as is evident if you watch any other ACC football games.
 

Riddickulous

"That" Guy
Messages
16,866
Reaction score
8,325
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Irish beat #1 Clemson without playing their best football and that is incredible. 15 points were left on the field Saturday night.<br><br>-Michael Mayer fals start on 4th and inches to go up 14-0<br>-Mayer dropped pass to go up 17-7<br>-Ian Book goal line fumble to go up 33-26</p>— Irish Insight (@VictoryLapIrish) <a href="https://twitter.com/VictoryLapIrish/status/1325846968401334272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Also the dropped TD by Avery Davis
 

PANDFAN

Look Down
Messages
16,770
Reaction score
2,278
We definitely "belonged" against Georgia but doubts crept back in after Michigan throttled us. Either way, you're right - this was an important win for national perception.



MI fans coping - "they don't play Ohio State!" and "big deal, they beat clemson."

Since the nightmare 2016 season, Kelly has put together a 40-6 record, with one undefeated regular season, two bowl wins (one against LSU) and a playoff appearance. The losses were to Georgia twice, Miami, Stanford, Clemson, and Michigan. Some of these were brutal losses but we haven't lost one game that we should have one, i.e., like a Michigan State or IU.

During the same time period, Michigan is 28-14, zero playoff apperances, 0-3 in bowls and blown out in two of them, no playoff apperances. And I know this is difficult for them to understand, but they didn't lose 14 games to OSU. They lost to Wiscy twice, Spartans twice, PSU twice, ND, IU and others.

It's obvious to anyone with three brain cells that they're not an OSU decline away from being kings of the BIG but you gotta get through the season somehow so let them cope.

we couldn't run the ball for shit, their dline was penetrating....we were a balanced team and showed the world we are able to compete
 

GowerND11

Well-known member
Messages
6,536
Reaction score
3,287
TNET is now complaining about instant replay, and want it eliminated...
 

Whiskeyjack

Mittens Margaritas Ante Porcos
Staff member
Messages
20,894
Reaction score
8,126
We held Etienne to 28 yards on 18 carries for 1.6 YPC. Factor in Ukulele and Mellusi, and it looks even worse at 35 yards on 32 carries for barely 1 YPC. I don't recall any of their OL being out, so that's an amazing accomplishment for Lea and our defense.
 

greyhammer90

the drunk piano player
Messages
16,821
Reaction score
16,081
We held Etienne to 28 yards on 18 carries for 1.6 YPC. Factor in Ukulele and Mellusi, and it looks even worse at 35 yards on 32 carries for barely 1 YPC. I don't recall any of their OL being out, so that's an amazing accomplishment for Lea and our defense.

One got hurt midgame, but if anything they actually had more rushing success after as I recall.
 

Irish#1

Livin' Your Dream!
Staff member
Messages
44,577
Reaction score
20,027
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/RezxLLgVLGg" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

TcYLzCC.gif


Unsure which is hotter

Kid had his head on a swivel and picked up the right guy everytime.
 

Cackalacky2.0

Specimen
Messages
9,023
Reaction score
8,018
Kid had his head on a swivel and picked up the right guy everytime.

Yeah. Dude was looking for work back there and found it every time. Got a couple of pancakes as well.

I listened to BKs presser today and when asked he said (paraphrasing) that Clemson's stunts and twists are designed to lose a OL allowing a free man to get to the QB. ND knew about this and to counteract they had to choose a way to protect.... so they dropped having the RB as a check down thereby requiring Kyren stay in and protect.
 
Top