Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[ulukinatme]

One of the team captains apologized to Coach Kelly:


https://youtu.be/ttPwA8hitoY

I didn't know we made Lorth Needa a Captain!

 

[NorthDakota]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/rtoma9/status/1435382173817704450?s=21[/TWEET]

Notre Dame players and Kelly have basically become based personified.

 

[Dale]

Congrats in order


In the frame of the game, the team took a jab with the UW touchdown and Coan injury and came back with punches. He’s instilled that type of fight in this team

 

[irishff1014]

The depth this team has right now and the mind set they have shown so far this year is outstanding. There has been many times this wouldn’t have been the case. Even though I am not a fan of some coaches they all deserve credit today.

 

[calvegas04]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/NDFootball/status/1441863590957436930?s=20[/TWEET]
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/NDFootball/status/1441853998038933506?s=20[/TWEET]

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I have no doubt this man would be in the playoffs 8 out of 10 years and winning the occasional championship if he were at USC, Texas, or one of the traditional southern powers.
I'm glad he's ours. The title is elusive with the current requirements, but he's brought the school back to previous levels.

 

[nsisk157]

Sums up my thoughts for this year's team and CBK. I cannot wait to see how we grow over the next two months. Kudos to Coach Kelly.

https://www.si.com/college/2021/09/25/notre-dame-beats-wisconsin-brian-kelly-coaching

 

[calvegas04]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/NDFootball/status/1442286485311397890?s=20[/TWEET]

 

[Irish#1]

How many of you truly realize where Kelly has this program? Down to 3rd string LT, minus your NT and you have to bring in your 3rd string QB when trailing.

All this team did was step up to the challenge. The line stepped as did the defense. Programs without the mindset of a winner fold their tents and go home and they didn’t stop once they got the lead.

The performance of Pyne was 1975 Montanaesque.

Sunday morning and I’m still pumped about this win.

Expanding on this a little more. We discuss a lot the type of player (team 1st, willing to work hard, sees the big picture) it takes to play for ND. You don't see results like Saturday if both the players and coaches simply like each other. They love each other. Neither want to let the other down. The "me first" guys have no place on Kelly's teams. The kids that come to ND are reaping the rewards of buying into BK's philosophy.

 

[IrishLax]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Aaron_Torres/status/1442165101075726343?s=20[/TWEET]

Interesting food for thought. The question is really how you break through that last tier. Is it just getting a 5-star transcendent QB? Is it about getting more 1st round talent on both sides of the ball?

 

[NDohio]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Aaron_Torres/status/1442165101075726343?s=20[/TWEET]

Interesting food for thought. The question is really how you break through that last tier. Is it just getting a 5-star transcendent QB? Is it about getting more 1st round talent on both sides of the ball?

I kinda think Clemson is answering this question this season. They still have 5 star athletes on both sides of the ball, but their QB play (even though he is a 5 star) has not been great. Yes they have a bad O-Line, but it has never been a strength for them. They have had one O-Lineman drafted since 2014 so that is not the primary reason for their failures...not having Trevor Lawrence or Deshaun Watson is. Give ND a quarterback like those guys and BK has a title.

 

[ACamp1900]

And not one single person in that crowd will be swayed by any stat until ND wins a playoff game at least, if not the whole thing... hating on ND is almost like a religion to many.

and yeah, the one thing that has been missing for BK is that first round QB talent.

 

[dankgesang]

Torres' tweet is non-responsive to the 'crowd' he's supposed to be engaging with there, though. They're saying Notre Dame is overrated with respect to the playoff field, and every time Notre Dame has had a chance to prove otherwise they've gotten housed.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Torres' tweet is non-responsive to the 'crowd' he's supposed to be engaging with there, though. They're saying Notre Dame is overrated with respect to the playoff field, and every time Notre Dame has had a chance to prove otherwise they've gotten housed.

Disagree. The "ND is overrated" crowd don't take such nuanced stances. And that's easily addressed because: (1) no one has argued that ND is on the same level as 'Bama and Clemson yet; and (2) 'Bama and Clemson have been housing everyone recently, so that's just not a very useful standard for determining who's overrated.

We're definitely not in the top tier yet. But we're arguably just below it. Other teams (OSU, UGA, OU) recruit better, but we're more consistent and better coached. As others have said, if you gave Kelly a generational QB, he'd have at least one natty. Hell, if you gave him 6 years of Watson and Lawrence between 2014 and 2020, he'd probably have multiple.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Can't lay it out any better than Whiskey. If you look at it as "ND has been housed" every time they've made the playoff, then by that theory, each and every team not named Bama and Clemson is "overrated."

It's such a stupid thing to have to say, and it's not like any fan on this board or elsewhere is proud of it, but ND's loss to Bama was the "closest" score out of all three playoff games last year.

They (Bama) are on another planet. No one is claiming we are on their level. But the narrative that "ND is overrated" yet no one says the same thing about OU, for example, is just lazy, regurgitated narrative and it makes you look like a dumb ass fan &/or pundit.

 

[Luckylucci]

First round QB. Definitely 1st rd QB

In 2018, ND was the only team in the playoff without a future 1st rd QB. Last year in the playoff, ND was the only team without a future 1st rd QB. In fact, over the last 3 years, so if you include 2019, the only two QB's to make the playoffs that did not end up as 1st rd picks were Jalen Hurts and Ian Book. And I think we can all agree that Hurts, while didn't get drafted in the 1st, is on a different level than our guy Ian.

 

[ACamp1900]

The same people that say we ruin the playoff because ND is overrated and always gets blownout in the post season also tend to be the same people who constantly scream for expanded payoffs,… so yeah, it’s more emotions than logic here. We’re wasting our time trying to throw facts at them. At this point I say just troll them and leave them to their misery.

 

[NDRock]

First round QB. Definitely 1st rd QB

In 2018, ND was the only team in the playoff without a future 1st rd QB. Last year in the playoff, ND was the only team without a future 1st rd QB. In fact, over the last 3 years, so if you include 2019, the only two QB's to make the playoffs that did not end up as 1st rd picks were Jalen Hurts and Ian Book. And I think we can all agree that Hurts, while didn't get drafted in the 1st, is on a different level than our guy Ian.

Pretty much this. Of the 10 QBs who have won playoff games, I believe 6 were 1st round pick and Hurts was a 2nd rounder. Coker, Cardale Jones, and Fromm were the only outliers and they played on teams with a ton of talent. ND with a 1st round QB could have beaten anyone these last 3 years.

 

[GATTACA!]

Develop Buchner land Moore or Iamaleava and we'll be there.

 

[Wild Bill]

Disagree. The "ND is overrated" crowd don't take such nuanced stances. And that's easily addressed because: (1) no one has argued that ND is on the same level as 'Bama and Clemson yet; and (2) 'Bama and Clemson have been housing everyone recently, so that's just not a very useful standard for determining who's overrated.

We're definitely not in the top tier yet. But we're arguably just below it. Other teams (OSU, UGA, OU) recruit better, but we're more consistent and better coached. As others have said, if you gave Kelly a generational QB, he'd have at least one natty. Hell, if you gave him 6 years of Watson and Lawrence between 2014 and 2020, he'd probably have multiple.

Maybe. ND's roster is probably close to what Clemson's roster was when they won the first title with respect to overall talent. They added quite a bit of high end talent to the team that won the second title. Your point still stands - Clemson won without a top 3 or 4 roster.

Outside of Clemson's QB, their D line, schedule and relatively low level of coaching turnover has stood out during their run.

ND's improved their D line talent to a level I didn't think was possible tbh. We have had some turnover issues but they've managed to hire well. Check back with me on Freeman.

If you can keep this dline headed in the right direction and staff together maybe Kelly can catch lightning in a bottle with Buchner.

 

[Dale]

Clemson has a current team talent blue chip ratio on offense (by my quick possibly mistaken count) of 57%. That is simply not up to the par you’d expect and is for two reasons A) Dabo did his little old Dabo and recruited RKGs instead of the talent he really could have and B) Some of transferred out after being behind the golden class (ex Demarkus Bowman). The blue chips they do have at WR have never lived up to the hype besides Ross who then had his injury.

 

[Rogue219]

I guess if anyone had told me in 2010 that Brian Kelly would win more games at ND than Rockne but not have a National Championship, there is no possible way I would have believed that and would have taken that bet. Alas, this is why I am not a college football pundit nor do I gamble.

 

[GowerND11]

"Notre Dame is overrated and can't hang with anyone! We need to expand the playoffs so that this doesn't happen!"

Meanwhile, based on the 12 team expansion, Bama would have played the winner of the Cincy v Georgia game. So Georgia, whom Bama beat soundly in the regular season would have just gotten rolled again because... Bama. Now, ND would have had a chance to win two playoff games, one against Coastal, and another against Oklahoma. So yeah, ND really doesn't belong here... Texas A&M, remember their fans clamoring that they deserved a spot over ND, would have had to get through Indiana, Clemson, and the winner of (presumably) Ohio St. v Florida (predicting Florida beats Iowa St.) to rematch against Alabama, Just don't see it. These people allow their hate of Notre Dame to cloud their thoughts that an expansion is somehow a positive thing.

2019, LSU dismantled Oklahoma and Clemson
2018, Clemson handily beats ND and throttles Alabama. Never mind that Alabama crushed Oklahoma, and that the score looks a lot closer than anyone who watched it knows.
2017, Alabama handles Clemson, plus a really good NC against Georgia
2016, Clemson and Alabama handle Washington and OSU without any issues before the NC.
2015, Michigan St is embarrassed by Alabama in the first round.
2014, the famous Jameis fumble against Oregon as FSU falls flat, then OSU cruises against Oregon

There it is... The CFP, and clearly it's a Notre Dame issue...

 

[Greenore]

I love Coach Brian Kelly! There, I said it.

Is he the GOAT? I don't know but I appreciate his humility in saying he has to win a Natty. His head is in the game.

During his tenure, there is a LOT to be happy about. A LOT! Like most of you, I am heavily invested in the program. From a pure ROI perspective, I am a rich man.

Congratulation to CBK, his staff and his players. More importantly, thanks for the excitement, great games and character you display every game.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[ulukinatme]

The "ND is overrated" crowd is the same group that always says "ND needs to join a conference!"

Meanwhile our strength of schedule this year is 14th currently. The previous 4 years it was 7th, 16th, 13th, and 9th. I've been over this with Cincinnati fans recently, like they've got room to talk

 

[Greenore]

The "ND is overrated" crowd is the same group that always says "ND needs to join a conference!"

Meanwhile our strength of schedule this year is 14th currently. The previous 4 years it was 7th, 16th, 13th, and 9th. I've been over this with Cincinnati fans recently, like they've got room to talk

Love The Irish but I don't think we are over-rated this year. I've been okay with the 2021 ratings and if we can come together as a team I think we are a Top Ten Team. I have zero expectations for a CFP berth. Maybe I'm wrong but the teams we have put up in the last 10 years (excluding 2016... which didn't happen) all have been good strong football teams. I thought this year was a rebuilding year and am pleasantly surprised by the results. We aren't competing for a Natty but we are way ahead of where I thought we would be.

Gulping the Kool-Aid but with the recruiting and talent on the field, we are only getting better in the next three years.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

The "ND is overrated" crowd is the same group that always says "ND needs to join a conference!"

Meanwhile our strength of schedule this year is 14th currently. The previous 4 years it was 7th, 16th, 13th, and 9th. I've been over this with Cincinnati fans recently, like they've got room to talk

I need a source foe these numbers as I find it hard to believe our current SoS is 14th with no more ranked teams on the docket after Cindy.

 

[ulukinatme]

I need a source foe these numbers as I find it hard to believe our current SoS is 14th with no more ranked teams on the docket after Cindy.

I'm using this, no idea how accurate it is, but you know...if it's on the internet it has to be true: https://www.teamrankings.com/college...ength-by-other

Also, was that "Cindy" an autocorrect or a Freudian Slip? I hope it's the later, cause that's good.

 

[Ndaccountant]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/Aaron_Torres/status/1442165101075726343?s=20[/TWEET]

Interesting food for thought. The question is really how you break through that last tier. Is it just getting a 5-star transcendent QB? Is it about getting more 1st round talent on both sides of the ball?

Not to be a wet blanket, but....

1) Most ND fans will start BK2.0 after 2016. But leaving 2017 off the table conveniently eliminates 3 losses (UGA / Miami / Stanford).
2) 2018 best wins....1) A Michigan team that gave up 62 to OSU and lost by over 3TD's to Florida in their two most difficult games 2) A 4 loss Stanford team 3) An exceedingly overrated Syracuse team.
3) 2019 best wins....1) A 5 loss UVA 2) Navy 3) A tie among 5 Loss USC, 5 Loss VT, 6 loss Iowa State
4) 2020 best win was Clemson, which was thrilling. But at the same time, once their injuries cleared and they got back TL, ND got bent over a barrel by them. Only other notable win was UNC, which ended the year with 4 losses (without playing Clemson) with losses to UVA / FSU / ND / Texas A&M.
5) 2021 - Wisky, who already has 2 losses and could end up with 4 or 5 before the end of the year.

I don't mean that as a knock on BK, but ND has consistently beaten who they should, which is something he couldn't even say thru 2016. The program is clearly in a better spot. But that stat makes it seem like they are consistently winning against the tier 1b teams (tier 1a would be Ohio State, Clemson (before 2021), Bama...that's it as far as I am concerned). They aren't doing that and probably have 1 win against a tier 1b program since 2018 (tier 1b for me would be Oregon, UGA, Florida, Clemson without TL in 2020, maybe texas A&M?). The problem is they just don't play them much except for bowl games.

 

[Dale]

Not to be a wet blanket, but....

1) Most ND fans will start BK2.0 after 2016. But leaving 2017 off the table conveniently eliminates 3 losses (UGA / Miami / Stanford).
2) 2018 best wins....1) A Michigan team that gave up 62 to OSU and lost by over 3TD's to Florida in their two most difficult games 2) A 4 loss Stanford team 3) An exceedingly overrated Syracuse team.
3) 2019 best wins....1) A 5 loss UVA 2) Navy 3) A tie among 5 Loss USC, 5 Loss VT, 6 loss Iowa State
4) 2020 best win was Clemson, which was thrilling. But at the same time, once their injuries cleared and they got back TL, ND got bent over a barrel by them. Only other notable win was UNC, which ended the year with 4 losses (without playing Clemson) with losses to UVA / FSU / ND / Texas A&M.
5) 2021 - Wisky, who already has 2 losses and could end up with 4 or 5 before the end of the year.

I don't mean that as a knock on BK, but ND has consistently beaten who they should, which is something he couldn't even say thru 2016. The program is clearly in a better spot. But that stat makes it seem like they are constently winning against the tier 1b teams (tier 1a would be Ohio State, Clemson (before 2021), Bama...that's it as far as I am concerned).

You won’t find much better doing the same for OSU or Clemson in the regular season which circles back to the tweet’s OG point about what we have won

or a different way, do the same exercise for Georgia, Oregon, Wisconsin, UNC etc