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Brian Kelly Revisited


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I wouldn't go that far but we lost the two games we were dogs and won every game we were favored. You gotta win that Michigan game. We weren't even competitive.



They had the ball late with a chance to win in Athens, which leads me to believe (along with the past 30+ game results), Ann Arbor was a twisted sick joke of an outlier. Are we even having this conversation if they don’t dick up the blocked punt and take over on UM’s 30? That was an absolute back breaker after a forcing a quick three and out, and instantly turned an uphill climb into Everest and lit a fire under Michigan’s ass
 

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Ranked # 89 in ESPN's Top 150 Greatest CFB Coaches of All Time Article. Just above Devine (#88). Rockne came is at #3. Leahy at #10. Ara #15. Holtz at #23.

89. Brian Kelly, 241-93-2
Grand Valley State (1991-2003; 118-35-2), Central Michigan (2004-06; 19-16), Cincinnati (2006-09; 34-6) and Notre Dame (2010-current; 70-36)

Kelly led Grand Valley State to two Division II national championships. He won conference titles at Central Michigan (MAC) and Cincinnati (Big East). Though he hasn't won a national title at Notre Dame, he has come close: a BCS championship game loss in 2012 and a playoff semifinal loss in 2018. More importantly, he restored respectability to the Fighting Irish.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/page/CFB150coaches/the-150-greatest-coaches-college-football-150-year-history
 

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This list is bunk. Bo Schembechler and Tressel ahead of Urban Meyer? Come on man.

Agreed. Kelly's accomplished about everything you could want at every level except win a title. And I doubt there are 88 coaches ranked ahead of him who've all won titles, so...

Very interestinf fact, all 4 CFB playoff coaches are internal hires.

Clark Lea as HC-in-waiting confirmed.
 

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Very interestinf fact, all 4 CFB playoff coaches are internal hires.

Where the NFL is moving towards hiring young head coaches, I think college will transition too in hiring internally.

There is something about keeping a culture intact. Especially for successful programs. Obviously up-and-comers will still be a thing.

I think ND has two, really good, internal candidates for the next HC job @ ND.
 

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Where the NFL is moving towards hiring young head coaches, I think college will transition too in hiring internally.

There is something about keeping a culture intact. Especially for successful programs. Obviously up-and-comers will still be a thing.

I think ND has two, really good, internal candidates for the next HC job @ ND.

I had a friendly argument in the stands of 2012's Stanford game. I'll leave out what the kid said, but Give me Tommy All day.... Guy has that mind.



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This list is bunk. Bo Schembechler and Tressel ahead of Urban Meyer? Come on man.

This was my assessment as well. Bryant is the best ever? He couldn't even beat the #15 coach in Parseghian. I would have done Rockne, then I suppose Bryant.
 

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Where the NFL is moving towards hiring young head coaches, I think college will transition too in hiring internally.

There is something about keeping a culture intact. Especially for successful programs. Obviously up-and-comers will still be a thing.

I think ND has two, really good, internal candidates for the next HC job @ ND.

Stability and continuity are great when you've got a successful, well-functioning program. Obviously many programs are not that fortunate.
 

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I had a friendly argument in the stands of 2012's Stanford game. I'll leave out what the kid said, but Give me Tommy All day.... Guy has that mind.







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I agree. I’m going to assume the original poster is referring to Lea and Elston. If so much like you I would add Tommy to NY he lost to make 3.

I don’t want Tommy to ever leave Notre Dame again. Promote him to assistant OC or something similar, then when Long is gone he will become the OC, and during his tenure as the OC he will be the head coach in waiting once Kelly decides to step down. Tommy could have similar career and success as Lincoln Riley...just saying.


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I agree. I’m going to assume the original poster is referring to Lea and Elston. If so much like you I would add Tommy to NY he lost to make 3.

I don’t want Tommy to ever leave Notre Dame again. Promote him to assistant OC or something similar, then when Long is gone he will become the OC, and during his tenure as the OC he will be the head coach in waiting once Kelly decides to step down. Tommy could have similar career and success as Lincoln Riley...just saying.

Tommy still has a lot of learning to do, but somewhere down the line, I can see him being a successful HC at ND. Coaches son, understands the game, young enough to relate to the youngsters and he understands the ND culture.

That my school has had both Bryant and Saban is something I'm very thankful for and realize was a very unlikely bit of good luck.

We all have our bias, but I'm not sure how Rockne isn't above Bryant. While his record speaks for itself, his innovations are what sets him apart. Maybe Saban at #1, but Rockne should be #2 at the worst. Leahy should be top five. As ND fans we love Rockne, Ara and Lou, but you could argue that Frank is the best of all of them. He doesn't get enough recognition IMO.
 

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We all have our bias, but I'm not sure how Rockne isn't above Bryant. While his record speaks for itself, his innovations are what sets him apart. Maybe Saban at #1, but Rockne should be #2 at the worst. Leahy should be top five. As ND fans we love Rockne, Ara and Lou, but you could argue that Frank is the best of all of them. He doesn't get enough recognition IMO.

It all depends on what criteria you use to choose best coach, best small town to live in, worst job, etc. It's subjective to a great extent. You could easily put Rockne, Bryant, Saban and maybe even Leahy in any order at the top and not be wrong.
 

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The last paragraph.......“Looking back at that decision 10 years ago, I couldn’t be more happy,” Jenkins said. “I don’t think any coach in America, given the constraints that he’s working under, I don’t think any coach in America has done better. We couldn’t be happier with Brian and the success that he’s had at Notre Dame and how he’s represented the University so well.”
 
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“A lot of these interviews were around a very specific sort of dynamics of ‘Tell me how you build this program,’ ” Swarbrick said. “One of the things I always remember about Brian was one of the first things he addressed in that was how you schedule the day, to make it more efficient for the students. And we sort of didn’t have any focus on that.”

This is what ND desperately needed after the run of guys who preceded Kelly. Whatever happens from here, I will be grateful for these details which had been ignored by predecessors who never had to build a program from nothing.
 

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This is what ND desperately needed after the run of guys who preceded Kelly. Whatever happens from here, I will be grateful for these details which had been ignored by predecessors who never had to build a program from nothing.

Yup, Brian Kelly returned ND to being a "grown up" program that behaves like it wants to win football games. Despite constraints, like not being able to funnel all the players into fake online classes like most Big State School U, he's done enough to modernize ND football that the next guy will have a *much* better situation than the one he inherited.
 

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Yup, Brian Kelly returned ND to being a "grown up" program that behaves like it wants to win football games. Despite constraints, like not being able to funnel all the players into fake online classes like most Big State School U, he's done enough to modernize ND football that the next guy will have a *much* better situation than the one he inherited.

Next hire is so important,... can’t afford another Davie/Ty level flop
 

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Next hire is so important,... can’t afford another Davie/Ty level flop

Swarbrick gets it and won't make that mistake. Given an extension is in the works, I would guess BK is going to be around 3 or 4 more years. That gives him time to groom his replacement.
 

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Next hire is so important,... can’t afford another Davie/Ty level flop

Monk didn't think either Davie or Ty were flops but rather that they were exactly what he was looking for.


Swarbrick gets it and won't make that mistake. Given an extension is in the works, I would guess BK is going to be around 3 or 4 more years. That gives him time to groom his replacement.


Jenkins "gets it" which is why Swarbrick "get it". Monk hired AD's that did his dismemberment bidding. Jenkins wants excellence in the classroom AND on the field.
 

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Next hire is so important,... can’t afford another Davie/Ty level flop

what's encouraging is in the article it says about the next AD they target will need to have an understanding of the college football landscape..something along those lines...swarbrick didn't but now does...
 

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Getting back more specifically to BK, the resignation/termination of Long tells me that BK is very well aware of the discontent on the offensive side and is very much willing to make more adjustments to keep this program on an upward trajectory.
 

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Getting back more specifically to BK, the resignation/termination of Long tells me that BK is very well aware of the discontent on the offensive side and is very much willing to make more adjustments to keep this program on an upward trajectory.


Who he hires to replace Long will signify his awareness. If Kelly hires Quinn/Rees, then he doesn’t give a shit about any discontent...get used to it. If he hires an OC that addresses the passive nature of our offense, then he may be on an upward trajectory. I have no doubt he is going to hire a crony. The more things change the more they stay the same. Kelly will have another excuse to keep his tenure going til he retires.
 

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Who he hires to replace Long will signify his awareness. If Kelly hires Quinn/Rees, then he doesn’t give a shit about any discontent...get used to it. If he hires an OC that addresses the passive nature of our offense, then he may be on an upward trajectory. I have no doubt he is going to hire a crony. The more things change the more they stay the same. Kelly will have another excuse to keep his tenure going til he retires.

Or perhaps it'll indicate that he recognizes that Rees has what it takes to be a great OC and playcaller.

You act like Kelly is the only coach in the game to promote from within. Literally 2 of the best offenses in CFB this year have OC's who were promoted without OC experience.
 
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Or perhaps it'll indicate that he recognizes that Rees has what it takes to be a great OC and playcaller.

You act like Kelly is the only coach in the game to promote from within. Literally 2 of the best offenses in CFB this year have OC's who were promoted without OC experience.

Rees may develop into a fantastic coordinator, but his development may cost this team wins. His philosophy will likely be similar to Kelly’s and how has Kelly’s philosophy fared the past decade. Good but far from great.

Kelly promoting from within is not big deal if the coach is somewhat seasoned. Rees is practically a novice...a potential crony hire.
 
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This move actually gives me the most hope for the near-term future of the program since the 2017 shakeup. In the past, Kelly didn't make the hard choices to move the program forward. This team has gone 32-6 with Chip at OC, and by some metrics the offense has been outstanding, notably in my mind very few turnovers, red zone scoring efficiency, etc.

But anyone really watching this year knows the offense wasn't getting it done this year. Long wasn't the only problem, between lack of running back talent, injuries, etc. But we've seen what the right coaching can do on the defensive side of the ball in the last few years, and changes needed to be made.

As far as Reesus I don't know if he's the man for the job but Kelly has been working with him since 2010. There's no one on earth more qualified to judge Rees football chops then Kelly, so at bare minimum he deserves the benefit of the doubt. And if the rumors of Rees taking over playcalling at the tail end of the season are true than it's a somewhat promising start.
 

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This move actually gives me the most hope for the near-term future of the program since the 2017 shakeup. In the past, Kelly didn't make the hard choices to move the program forward. This team has gone 32-6 with Chip at OC, and by some metrics the offense has been outstanding, notably in my mind very few turnovers, red zone scoring efficiency, etc.

But anyone really watching this year knows the offense wasn't getting it done this year. Long wasn't the only problem, between lack of running back talent, injuries, etc. But we've seen what the right coaching can do on the defensive side of the ball in the last few years, and changes needed to be made.

As far as Reesus I don't know if he's the man for the job but Kelly has been working with him since 2010. There's no one on earth more qualified to judge Rees football chops then Kelly, so at bare minimum he deserves the benefit of the doubt. And if the rumors of Rees taking over playcalling at the tail end of the season are true than it's a somewhat promising start.

Agree 100%. This seems a very proactive yet difficult decision. These are the types of choices that vault a program over the top though, given the replacement is a clear upgrade.
 
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