Brian Kelly Contract

[irishog77]

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[Rack Em]

NDFB's got 99 problems, but money ain't one.

What 3rd parties would Kelly be drawing a paycheck from? The NRA? United Negro College Fund? NAMBLA? The Super Adventure Club? The Church of Scientology? Mecha Streisand? Sidney Poitier? Getting Gay with Kids?

I'm legit curious.

 

[dublinirish]

What 3rd parties would Kelly be drawing a paycheck from? The NRA? United Negro College Fund? NAMBLA? The Super Adventure Club? The Church of Scientology? Mecha Streisand? Sidney Poitier? Getting Gay with Kids?

I'm legit curious.

Schrute Farms

 

[ResLife Hero]

What 3rd parties would Kelly be drawing a paycheck from? The NRA? United Negro College Fund? NAMBLA? The Super Adventure Club? The Church of Scientology? Mecha Streisand? Sidney Poitier? Getting Gay with Kids?

I'm legit curious.

No idea who is actually cutting checks, but Under Armor came to mind as a likely candidate.

 

[Rack Em]

No idea who is actually cutting checks, but Under Armor came to mind as a likely candidate.

Agreed. But I was wondering if someone else was paying BK too.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Agreed. But I was wondering if someone else was paying BK too.

Does Kelly do tv and radio shows? If so, that would be another source. Also, does he have endorsements from car manufacturers, big local businesses, etc? Likely another source.

 

[Rack Em]

Does Kelly do tv and radio shows? If so, that would be another source. Also, does he have endorsements from car manufacturers, big local businesses, etc? Likely another source.

Ah that makes sense. Thanks T Town.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Situation regarding Weis' compensation from Notre Dame grossly overblown | Tale of the Tait | KUsports.com

Not very detailed, but it does explain the differences between state U's payment scheme and ND's.....hence the much lower amount of "other" income on USAToday's site for state U coaches compared to BK's assumed payments.

 

[koonja]

I can't find a citation to support this at the moment, but I thought it had been established that Kelly was offered the job, and that he declined it.



What's wrong with simple explanations? Occam's Razor is a powerful tool. The problem with your theory is that it requires us to ignore Kelly's immediate history of quickly taking better positions prior to ND, and it requires us to make some very unlikely assumptions about Jack Swarbrick's competence. Why would the University risk losing Kelly in order to save an inconsequential* amount of money?

*Compared to what a successful football program brings in.

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I'll bet 500 million vbucks that he wasn't offered the job, and out of my winnings I'll double that you can find he was NOT offered the Eagles job.

There's nothing wrong with it and it maybe true. But you're acting like he had other options. When the Eagles didn't offer him the job, what choice did he have but to return to ND? It's not like he intereviewed anywhere but with the Eagles.

So is he satisfied with his pay at ND, could be. But to say he's here because of that is premature. We'll see what happens, but I believe his choice to return to ND was obvious after the Eagles didn't offer. Saying it was definitely because of the massive money he's getting to be at ND is a limb IMO. I think he's underpaid until I see legit reason to believe he's getting these massive out of contract amounts that other coaches are NOT getting, ND should be careful.

Not at all. I don't think Jack has an open checkbook. I bet ND has a say in how much flash they want to give the HC. AKA, I won't blame Jack Swarbrick.

This^. If other people's opinions make you all itchy, ignore them.

 

[Irish8248]

Can you prove he wasn't offered the job?

 

[koonja]

Can you prove he wasn't offered the job?

Want to take the bet ?

Not now, but I remember hearing that. I will have an article in 2 days because I'm sure it's out there. Can't search right now.

He was asked if it was offered, and BK said something along the lines that 'it never even reached a point where we talked about an offer or possible salary'.

 

[PANDFAN]

Can you prove he wasn't offered the job?

Last January he spent three days interviewing with the Philadelphia Eagles. "I was never offered the job," he notes. More NFL teams will come a-calling though. He can listen or stay here for what he calls "unfinished business."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf-...ger-to-prove-2012-was-no-fluke-193734182.html

 

[NDdomer2]

Want to take the bet ?

Not now, but I remember hearing that. I will have an article in 2 days because I'm sure it's out there. Can't search right now.

He was asked if it was offered, and BK said something along the lines that 'it never even reached a point where we talked about an offer or possible salary'.

so he turned them down before even getting that far. Doesn't that further the thought that he wanted to be at ND and is getting paid sufficiently?

 

[koonja]

Last January he spent three days interviewing with the Philadelphia Eagles. "I was never offered the job," he notes. More NFL teams will come a-calling though. He can listen or stay here for what he calls "unfinished business."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf-...ger-to-prove-2012-was-no-fluke-193734182.html

Thank you. So his options were Notre Dame, or Notre Dame.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

He was asked if it was offered, and BK said something along the lines that 'it never even reached a point where we talked about an offer or possible salary'.

I just did some quick Googling and it looks like Kelly was the Eagles' top candidate until he withdrew from the process. So no, he was never "offered" the job, but he arguably could have had it if he wanted it.

 

[koonja]

I just did some quick Googling and it looks like Kelly was the Eagles' top candidate until he withdrew from the process. So no, he was never "offered" the job, but he arguably could have had it if he wanted it.

Arguably could have had it IF? Could be true, but I'm not putting much stock in that 3rd party, refurbished comment. I'd argue that Chip Kelly could have been their top candidate...

Is there an article that says BK withdrew his name while the Eagles still wanted him?

 

[PANDFAN]

I just did some quick Googling and it looks like Kelly was the Eagles' top candidate until he withdrew from the process. So no, he was never "offered" the job, but he arguably could have had it if he wanted it.

Chip Kelly really did turn down the Philadelphia Eagles the first time. And as USA TODAY Sports reported Wednesday, he did have a "change of heart" within the past 24 hours.

But the path that led Kelly back to the Eagles, who hired him as their new head coach on Wednesday, wound for a little more than a week, according to a person briefed on the talks between the sides.

OPTION: Will Kelly keep Vick in Eagles' nest?

The person, who requested anonymity because neither the team nor Kelly's camp has released details of the talks, said Kelly first let the Eagles know he was having second thoughts about his decision to return to Oregon last Tuesday.

It was right around that time the Eagles were talking to another Kelly – Brian Kelly of Notre Dame, who eventually told them he was returning to school as well.

How Chip Kelly became Eagles new head coach

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Agreed. But I was wondering if someone else was paying BK too.

The era where I "know" stuff about the football program is pre-Holtz but the athletic sponsors were doing this back in the 1970s.

Since then, the number of sources is potentially larger and I'm sure NBC is pitching in too. When ND hosts a visitor they split the TV money in some proportion so ND benefits by setting up TV deals where much of the financial reward is not in straight cash (homie). I don't think it's a coincidence that a new NBC deal was inked and ND announced the Crossroads project shortly thereafter.

 

[Huntr]

Not sure why this issue keeps coming up.

You will never know what he is making, unless he specifically releases it. Most articles get it get it half right, at best.

In fact, the cited Fox Sports article above, stated:

The $1.46 million likely wasn't the total amount of money Kelly was paid, however. The document states that Kelly is allowed to receive pay from external sources with prior written approval from the university and isn't part of the pay listed by the university.

Boosters likely pay the rest of his salary, just like at many university football programs. That isn't public record. Kvetching that he makes too little based on flawed numbers is pretty fuggin stupid. Kelly makes enough to keep him here for the time being. That may or may not change in the future.

 

[koonja]

Not sure why this issue keeps coming up.

You will never know what he is making, unless he specifically releases it. Most articles get it get it half right, at best.

In fact, the cited Fox Sports article above, stated:



Boosters likely pay the rest of his salary, just like at many university football programs. That isn't public record. Kvetching that he makes too little based on flawed numbers is pretty fuggin stupid. Kelly makes enough to keep him here for the time being. That may or may not change in the future.

That's never been my point. We have no reason to assume ND approves BK to get paid outside of his contract, any more/less than the other top coaches at other programs.

So coaches get paid outside of their contract, why should we believe whatever BK's getting outside of his contract makes up for the desparity?

If BK's base salary is 1.4 million, and coach B's base salary is 4 million, and they both get the same from boosters, BK's still getting hosed IMO.

If you can show that BK gets paid a low salary because ND is alone in paying so much outside of the contracts and other programs do not do this, then the 'BK is paid just fine' argument I will buy. But I don't believe that because I have no reason to based on what I know.

 

[wizards8507]

That's never been my point. We have no reason to assume ND approves BK to get paid outside of his contract, any more/less than the other top coaches at other programs.

Yes, we DO have reason to assume that, as other posters have illustrated already.

So coaches get paid outside of their contract, why should we believe whatever BK's getting outside of his contract makes up for the desparity?

"Coaches" (in general) do NOT get paid outside their contract. That's the whole point that everyone is trying to make.

If BK's base salary is 1.4 million, and coach B's base salary is 4 million, and they both get the same from boosters, BK's still getting hosed IMO.

They're NOT getting the same from boosters. These numbers are made up, but to illustrate:

BK: $1.4M base + $2.6M from outside sources = $4M
Other Coach: $4M base + $0M from outside sources = $4M

 

[zelezo vlk]

There were a couple of other openings at high/somewhat high prestige places that would've paid Coach Kelly. I'm sure if he was unhappy with his pay, he could've expressed interest in the particular job and received an interview or whatnot.

 

[koonja]

Yes, we DO have reason to assume that, as other posters have illustrated already.


"Coaches" (in general) do NOT get paid outside their contract. That's the whole point that everyone is trying to make.


They're NOT getting the same from boosters. These numbers are made up, but to illustrate:

BK: $1.4M base + $2.6M from outside sources = $4M
Other Coach: $4M base + $0M from outside sources = $4M

So no other coaches are getting any pay outside of their contract, which is made of base salary plus incentives? BK is alone in getting this special pay? Stoops, Saban, Urban aren't getting any of this special pay?

If that's the case I honestly missed that source.

 

[Ndaccountant]

So no other coaches are getting any pay outside of their contract, which is made of base salary plus incentives? BK is alone in getting this special pay? Stoops, Saban, Urban aren't getting any of this special pay?

If that's the case I honestly missed that source.

From my previously linked article a few posts ago

Here, Weis receives an annual salary ($2.5 million) and brings home a monthly pay check. Although just $230,000 of that is considered his “base salary” all of it comes directly from Kansas Athletics, Inc., and is reported on KAI's federal taxes. According to Weis' contract with KU, the remaining $2,270,000 per year is for “professional services rendered” and is referenced in the contract at “Guaranteed Net Income.”

At Notre Dame, Weis said he received a relatively modest base salary directly from Notre Dame while the majority of his compensation came from other vendors tied to the athletic department — think payments for his TV show, radio show, clothing deals and money from any partnerships with companies like Nike, adidas, Under Armor or the like.

That $2.5M also matches the coaches payment data in the USA Today tracker, linked here (Weis base at $2.5M).

USA Today | Sports | COLLEGE

Finally, note that the highest other payment on the list is $300K and that BK's is left blank.

 

[Huntr]

That's never been my point. We have no reason to assume ND approves BK to get paid outside of his contract, any more/less than the other top coaches at other programs.

So coaches get paid outside of their contract, why should we believe whatever BK's getting outside of his contract makes up for the desparity?

If BK's base salary is 1.4 million, and coach B's base salary is 4 million, and they both get the same from boosters, BK's still getting hosed IMO.

If you can show that BK gets paid a low salary because ND is alone in paying so much outside of the contracts and other programs do not do this, then the 'BK is paid just fine' argument I will buy. But I don't believe that because I have no reason to based on what I know.

I know it's your thing, but you're really talking out of your ass right now. I just wrote it happens at most other big time football programs.

(Made up, illustrative numbers) It's not that they both get paid $4 mill by boosters, but that boosters from both schools pay so that the total compensation salary is $4 mill. At ND, the percentage of cash and benefits paid for by the boosters may be higher. Get it?

 

[koonja]

From my previously linked article a few posts ago



That $2.5M also matches the coaches payment data in the USA Today tracker, linked here (Weis base at $2.5M).

USA Today | Sports | COLLEGE

Finally, note that the highest other payment on the list is $300K and that BK's is left blank.

I know it's your thing, but you're really talking out of your ass right now. I just wrote it happens at most other big time football programs.

(Made up, illustrative numbers) It's not that they both get paid $4 mill by boosters, but that boosters from both schools pay so that the total compensation salary is $4 mill. At ND, the percentage of cash and benefits paid for by the boosters may be higher. Get it?

Thanks for the link. So Weis says he was mostly paid outside of his base salary, but what do you make of BK's 'other pay' being blank? Simply that it's unlisted, but significant?

Talking out of my ass isn't my thing. Neither is making assumptions based on what makes me feel cozy inside, like you are with the mystery pay that BK allegedly receives that no other college coaches do.

Sure, it maybe. And it maybe the same. Or it maybe even lower. Get it? I'm not making an assumption based on what I want to hear. I'm simply saying there's no reason to NOT take it at face value considering we do not know that BK is paid 'outside of his contract' more/less/the same as Stoops, Urban, etc.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Thanks for the link. So Weis says he was mostly paid outside of his base salary, but what do you make of BK's 'other pay' being blank? Simply that it's unlisted, but significant?
Talking out of my ass isn't my thing. Neither is making assumptions based on what makes me feel cozy inside, like you are with the mystery pay that BK allegedly receives that no other college coaches do.

Sure, it maybe. And it maybe the same. Or it maybe even lower. Get it? I'm not making an assumption based on what I want to hear. I'm simply saying there's no reason to NOT take it at face value considering we do not know that BK is paid 'outside of his contract' more/less/the same as Stoops, Urban, etc.

It's not publicly available so it's blank.

In another post I made this morning, I linked an article from when BK was hired. In it, it mentioned that many sports business experts pegged it at $3-$4M in total compensation, and this was before his extension.

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-football/168629-brian-kelly-contract-7.html#post1354541

 

[IrishLax]

I'm logging on from dodgy Italian wifi just to reply here cuz I had a mini heart attack when I saw this bumped:

1. Koon, just stop.
2. Kelly's pay WAS "low" prior to 2012. The contract he has now features competitve pay for both he and assistants... but it is not top tier untouchable pay.
3. Talk about Kelly's contract is beyond dumb, because if/when he leaves it'll have practically nothing to do with $$$

 

[kmoose]

Based on what? And what's to say other CFB coaches aren't also getting large amounts outside of their contract, which brings it back to my point of relativity.

If BK gets .6 million salary, .7 million bonuses, and is paid 2 million outside of the contract, while other coaches get 2 million salary, .7 bonuses, and 2 million outside of contract, BKs still getting hosed.

You should call Jack Swarbrick's office. Is there ANYTHING that ND does, that you approve of?

 

[Rudy89]

I hope this offseason we can convince bk to stay after all this bullshit this offseason. I'm terrified he is leaving after this offseason if the nfl comes calling.