BK stays at ND

[wizards8507]

We're in dangerous territory here, as we're working entirely off assumptions. BK allegedly wants more flexibility with admissions, akin to what Holtz enjoyed. That concession doesn't equate to compromising ND's academic integrity.

Do you think ND would be "selling out" if it had made an exception and admitted AQM? He's technically a borderline recruit, since he's lacking a core class, but I have little doubt he would succeed at ND if admitted. That type of inflexibility with admissions puts us at a significant competitive disadvantage, and asking the BoT to change that is not out of line.

I admit that I'm just starting to get into following recruiting so I'm far from qualified to comment, but based on the fact pattern you presented, I would be on board with an exception like that provided the kid had some kind of written plan to cover the deficiency with an extra summer class or something. However, it seems strange to me that this structure isn't already in place. When I applied to Notre Dame (as a regular Joe) I was able to submit an explanation of why my school didn't allow students to schedule both Band and a Foreign Language, creating a "deficiency" on my application. If what you're saying is the true reason for AQM's situation, it would seem like recruits are actually held to a more stringent standard than regular applicants (in some ways).

 

[Ironman8]

Lots of smoke going around that a deal is in place, with significant raises for BK and the staff. Will be interesting to see what specifically was accomplished by all this. It could break quite soon according to these individuals. I guess stay tuned.

 

[jerboski]

Finally, cant wait for this circus to be over so we can get back to business on recruits and finishing this season with the top class

 

[NDohio]

Myy refresh button is getting worn out. Can this all be over soon?

 

[IrishLax]

I don't doubt his knowledge about how the BoT works. I'm questioning the automatic assumption that the BoT is wrong for trying to protect the academic integrity of the school.

EDIT: Reading your edited post, I have no problem if the only discussions they're having about academic standards are cases of borderline or "special circumstance" kids, but I'm not on board with full-spectrum lowering of standards.

Woah woah woah woah..... never did I say they were "wrong" or "right"... just that they often work counter to the best interests of a dominant football program.

Our JUCOs, oversigning, etc. policies are all examples of things that put us at a competitive disadvantage to other places... at the same time we would almost all view them as "right."

Our policy on core class requirements is something more debatable... especially if the kid has an excellent academic record outside of the core class requirement he might be missing. Why can't he just start taking a foreign language when he gets to ND? My girlfriend decided haphazardly to start fresh with a new language when she got to ND... ended up being a double major and graduating with a near 4.0 in that language. Why "must" a recruit have foreign language requirements satisfied before enrolling? This is an example of something that is a grey area BK might hypothetically be pushing on.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Terry Hanratty posts on BGI sometimes and this is a snip-it of what he said:

Money is easy--- changes are probably the reason it has got to this point. BK is going nowhere --- he is fighting for his ***. Coaches and some changes.

 

[aubeirish]

If you're referring to the game in Dublin, that was set up years ago and BK complained HARD about making the trip.

‘‘I love everything about Ireland,’’ Kelly said. ‘‘I’m not a big fan of playing football games in Ireland.’’

Nothing to do with that game. I am talking about all the good press ND is getting from winning and all the efforts Kelly has done improving the visibility of the program.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Terry Hanratty posts on BGI sometimes and this is a snip-it of what he said:

Quote:
Money is easy--- changes are probably the reason it has got to this point. BK is going nowhere --- he is fighting for his ***. Coaches and some changes.


Exactly.

 

[arrowryan]

Lots of smoke going around that a deal is in place, with significant raises for BK and the staff. Will be interesting to see what specifically was accomplished by all this. It could break quite soon according to these individuals. I guess stay tuned.

Terry Hanratty posts on BGI sometimes and this is a snip-it of what he said:

Glad to see we are making some progress! It had gotten so out of control that we were talking about BJs!!

 

[Domina Nostra]

If he does get some concessions, they are not going to list them out for us! But if we see AQM hop on board, we'll get an idea.

 

[wizards8507]

Terry Hanratty posts on BGI sometimes and this is a snip-it of what he said:

I agree that if BK gets his changes he'll stay. My quesiton is what happens if he doesn't get his changes. Something's gotta give in that situation. If the BoT flat-out refuses to give him what he wants, then he might seriously look long and hard about leaving, which flies in the face of most peoples' assumption that this is a non-story.

 

[aubeirish]

The real problem is that there is too many good football players that are terrible at school. There, I said it.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Lots of smoke going around that a deal is in place, with significant raises for BK and the staff. Will be interesting to see what specifically was accomplished by all this. It could break quite soon according to these individuals. I guess stay tuned.

If an extension along with raises for assistants is announced today, this thread is going to look really odd sitting in the archives in a couple years. People absolutely threw nutties about this, racking up literally thousands of posts in a couple of days, about what looks to ultimately be a pretty run-of-the-mill contract negotiation with no apparent impact on the football program.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

The real problem is that there is too many good football players that are terrible at school. There, I said it.

WE AINT COME HERE TO PLAY NO SKOOL

 

[Domina Nostra]

I agree that if BK gets his changes he'll stay. My quesiton is what happens if he doesn't get his changes. Something's gotta give in that situation. If the BoT flat-out refuses to give him what he wants, then he might seriously look long and hard about leaving, which flies in the face of most peoples' assumption that this is a non-story.

My guess is that they give him a big raise, agree to some concessions straight-up, and give in to others on a trial/contingent basis.

 

[wizards8507]

The real problem is that there is too many good football players that are terrible at school. There, I said it.

There are too many good football players that are terrible at school.

 

[tussin]

While I was never too worried about this, I'd personally like to thank IrishLax for his contribution to this thread. Very informative and we can always count on him for a logical, (somewhat) insider take on the situation.

 

[aubeirish]

There are too many good football players that are terrible at school.

You got me. I have been thinking in French lately.

 

[Cali_domer]

 

[IrishLax]

What do folks think BK will do if ND meets him but only meets him half way? Say they pay him and his assistants (with multi year deals) but don't change the standards then what?

Ultimately, some form of this will happen. In negotiation no side acquiesces to everything the other side wants. So the question is if BK gets "enough"... and judging by the fact that it's probably a long shot* that he even gets offered the Eagles job, the "enough" bar is probably set pretty low. But he has ZERO leverage if he can't even come to the table and say "look, I'm getting NFL interest that will pay me X and I'm willing to go interview with teams if I'm not getting everything I need here."

First things first he will probably get a big raise with a bunch of guaranteed years. He's going to want that, and the University is going to want that... because a 5+ year buyout of $4mil/year makes it virtually impossible for another organization to attempt to poach and pay the $20mil+ buyout. Want to know why Charlie got the massive deal he did? NFL teams were blowing up his phone gauging interest after his hot start at ND. So this is pretty standard operating procedure when a coach wants to stay put, is underpaid, and the organization wants to keep him. This is the easy part.

The next thing is pay for assistants. Maybe BK will say "my guys need to get paid as top assistants and here is what top assistants make around the country" at which point the University probably comes back with a counter-offer saying "we can only pay them this much because XYZ" and then they negotiate an acceptable level. This is difficult because you're fighting for other people but at least there are metrics out there to find common ground on so it's usually not too difficult.

The next are quirks to the job/programmatic changes. Maybe Kelly wants all of the dorms upgraded. Maybe he wants all football players to live with other players. Maybe he wants a Jumbotron. Maybe he wants someone fired because he thinks they're a pain in the ***. These are the kinda things you only get with leverage.... and we'll probably never hear about. This is the hardest part.

All in all, it's very possible that the University balks at what he wants and he leaves for somewhere else. But while that's possible, it certainly isn't the probable outcome.

*This is a total guess, but the Eagles have interviewed something like 10 candidates putting straight odds at 10%... so... yeah....

 

[chicago51]

At very least folks need to be patient.

There is enough circumstantial evidence to suggest this a negiotiating ploy/conspiracy.

Even think BK really is leaving I think there is enough here to avoid jumping to conclusions.

Also seeing how this is a potential conspiracy I am coining the phrase "Kelly Gate" on IE. I expect reps and/or vbucks for its use.

 

[IrishLax]

Terry Hanratty posts on BGI sometimes and this is a snip-it of what he said:

Forget to drink your coffee this morning? Scooped you by like 50 posts, son.

#GetOnMaLevel

 

[connor_in]

WE AINT COME HERE TO PLAY NO SKOOL

"Sour"

Forget the kid's name from a couple years back that all he did besides play football was smoke weed and have sex and tweeted about it...think it might have been one of Urban's...but he always said "sour" and when I read your post that is what popped in my head

 

[Ironman8]

Jake Brown ‏@Jake_Brown

Friend just texted me that #NotreDame AD Jack Swarbrick and DC Bob Diaco are having lunch near campus. To be a fly on the wall...

 

[connor_in]

At very least folks need to be patient.

There is enough circumstantial evidence to suggest this a negiotiating ploy/conspiracy.

Even think BK really is leaving I think there is enough here to avoid jumping to conclusions.

Also seeing how this is a potential conspiracy I am coining the phrase "Kelly Gate" on IE. I expect reps and/or vbucks for its use.

Fixed it for you before the spelling police get after you

 

[gkIrish]

If an extension along with raises for assistants is announced today, this thread is going to look really odd sitting in the archives in a couple years. People absolutely threw nutties about this, racking up literally thousands of posts in a couple of days, about what looks to ultimately be a pretty run-of-the-mill contract negotiation with no apparent impact on the football program.

When there was smoke about DGB committing elsewhere people got really crazy and angry. Others told them they were being ridiculous and that there was nothing to worry about. I was one of those people. Ever since he committed to Houston I promised that I would never question anyone who got nervous about "bad" news no matter how many insiders or experts told them not to worry. People cope with things differently. I don't think they need to be characterized as throwing nutties or anything like that. Just my 2 cents

Also, has anyone confirmed that this BK thing had nothing to do with AA decomitting? From what I understand he was making public declarations of his intention to EE at ND right up until the day before the BK news broke. Seems like this fiasco has cost us at least one recruit. Plus Isaac Rochell is frustrated

 

[chicago51]

Fixed it for you before the spelling police get after you

Yea I caught that. Fixed it myself as well. Type O

 

[Domina Nostra]

Jake Brown ‏@Jake_Brown

Friend just texted me that #NotreDame AD Jack Swarbrick and DC Bob Diaco are having lunch near campus. To be a fly on the wall...

Haha! Now that is the kind of post that makes me nervous!

 

[PANDFAN]

"Sour"

Forget the kid's name from a couple years back that all he did besides play football was smoke weed and have sex and tweeted about it...think it might have been one of Urban's...but he always said "sour" and when I read your post that is what popped in my head

will hill

 

[wizards8507]

.....First things first he will probably get a big raise with a bunch of guaranteed years. He's going to want that, and the University is going to want that... because a 5+ year buyout of $4mil/year makes it virtually impossible for another organization to attempt to poach and pay the $20mil+ buyout.....

Will he though? He'll want the raise, for sure, but he's jumped from team to team pretty quickly in the past and he's also expressed at least some interest in the NFL. He doesn't seem like an "I'll be here for 10 years if you'll have me" kind of guy.

Also, like you said, actually getting offered the Eagles job is somewhere around a 10% chance so to me that takes away credibility from this being a particularly effective bargaining chip. "I have a job offer from the Eagles" would make ND open up the checkbook but "Me and eight other guys talked to the Eagles on the phone" doesn't seem like it would put much fire under anyone's buns.