BK stays at ND

[PraetorianND]

I thought the comment was that he instructed his agent not to communicate anything worth him about the NFL until after the NCG. Seems odd that he would talk with them prior if his agent was instructed to withhold any info until after the game.
Also it keeps being mentioned that he interviewed, but most of the confirmed reports are that he 'talked' moor like preliminary to gage interest, not an actual interview. Do we know for sure he interviewed or just talked with them?

Ya I think that wizards8507 was making logical assumptions about the raise and inferences about the timing of discussions. Could be wrong though.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>OT: Look For BK And Notre Dame To Announce He Is Coming Back With Significant Pay Raises For His Asst.Coaches.</p>— Notre Dame Recruits (@RightKindaGuy) <a href="https://twitter.com/RightKindaGuy/status/289787175699095553" data-datetime="2013-01-11T17:33:41+00:00">January 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[wizards8507]

Also it keeps being mentioned that he interviewed, but most of the confirmed reports are that he 'talked' moor like preliminary to gage interest, not an actual interview. Do we know for sure he interviewed or just talked with them?

I mean we don't KNOW KNOW anything but as far as what's out there, the first one was a legitimate interview equal to what Lovie Smith and others have gotten. We've also heard the words "mutual interest" to describe the feeling after the interview and that a "second interview" would take place after vacation.

 

[FearTheBeard]

It's rumored that he wants more "flexibility" with admissions, akin to what Holtz enjoyed. That wouldn't mean a global lowering of the bar for admitting football players, but it would probably mean accepting several more borderline prospects every year.

And while Kelly has been recruiting very well, after the NCG, he's seen the types of athletes he needs to be recruiting at every position to be able to compete with the likes of 'Bama. BK may very well be correct that he needs more flexibility if ND is ever going to bring home the crystal football.

That's only one interpretation, it could also mean taking kids who are missing a credit or too, especially through no fault of their own. A kid can get by if he didn't have all of his foreign language credits. A kid can get by if he has to take calculus in the summer.

Kids will fail in college because of character flaws in addition to being...not bright. The SEC can take the real "borderline kids" because they don't care if they graduate, they'll just sign thirty the next season too.

Exactly. AQM is the perfect example of this; a high character kid from an academically rigorous, Catholic football powerhouse who wanted to be here badly. At the last minute, we learn that he's lacking a core class due to a transfer earlier in his high school career. Given all the advantages SEC schools enjoy over us in recruiting, ND's margin for error is very small. We can't be passing on guys like AQM if we ever want to beat 'Bama.

Ok thanks guys, i understand we will never be able to take some of the players that other big universities do and i completely agree on the AQM situation. The guy is so close to getting in they should be able to work something out and let him in. This seems like something minor it'd be nice if he could get this worked out too.

 

[TheChosen1]

Brian Kelly Staying at Notre Dame? He Better Hurry Up and Decide, South Bend is Restless | The Big Lead

yes I know it is the big lead but...

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I might have to change my screen name

 

[Whiskeyjack]

That's correct. You don't fly to Philadelphia on a Tuesday afternoon if the first time you've talked about it is Tuesday morning. BK knew "I have an interview with the Eagles in two days" while he was on the field in Miami. There's no way he didn't.

Has anyone confirmed that he actually flew to Philly? That's part of the reason I've been so skeptical. All the reports thus far (clearly leaked by his agent, Trace Armstrong) make it sound like it was nothing more than a Tuesday morning phone call.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Has anyone confirmed that he actually flew to Philly? That's part of the reason I've been so skeptical. All the reports thus far (clearly leaked by his agent, Trace Armstrong) make it sound like it was nothing more than a Tuesday morning phone call.

or they had a rep in Miami

 

[IrishLion]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>OT: Look For BK And Notre Dame To Announce He Is Coming Back With Significant Pay Raises For His Asst.Coaches.</p>— Notre Dame Recruits (@RightKindaGuy) <a href="https://twitter.com/RightKindaGuy/status/289787175699095553" data-datetime="2013-01-11T17:33:41+00:00">January 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[IrishLax]

FYI and this is an actual update not just bantering back and forth:

Former ND great QB Terry Hanratty (and father of current player Connor Hanratty) posts pretty regularly on 247.

He just made a post title "Relax--all is well" the content of which is premium... but suffice to say it appears BK has no intention of going anywhere (and apparently the players know as much), and the reason why this is all going on and he needed leverage is that he is fighting for program changes/BIG pay increases for assistants.

So basically what Whiskey and many others (really every sane person with shred of experience in negotiation/business) has been saying for pages now. All of the David Haugh's and Dennis Dodd's who don't have a clue what they're talking about need to step off.

 

[IrishLion]

If it turns out to be true that BK was doing this (even in part) to get his asssistants some more money, how funny is going to be to see everyone go from "Effff himmmm, he's killing us!" to "What a stand-up guy!" on a dime.

I love football.

 

[wizards8507]

Has anyone confirmed that he actually flew to Philly? That's part of the reason I've been so skeptical. All the reports thus far (clearly leaked by his agent, Trace Armstrong) make it sound like it was nothing more than a Tuesday morning phone call.

The flying really wasn't the point I was trying to make. My only point was there's no way this wasn't set up before the NCG. Every minute of their day in Miami was preplanned and there's no way he'd be able to sneak off for some "quiet time" with an Eagles rep without it being planned in advance, blocked off on his calendar, something.

 

[ND4LIFE]

How do we know BK isn't solidly comitted? Anyone talked to him?

His actions leave doubt. I don't go on a date when I am solidly committed to my Wife!

Solidly: firm, hard, or compact in substance: solid ground.

Committed: to bind or obligate, as by pledge or assurance; pledge: to commit oneself to a promise; to be committed to a course of action.

 

[wizards8507]

FYI and this is an actual update not just bantering back and forth:

Former ND great QB Terry Hanratty (and father of current player Connor Hanratty) posts pretty regularly on 247.

He just made a post title "Relax--all is well" the content of which is premium... but suffice to say it appears BK has no intention of going anywhere (and apparently the players know as much), and the reason why this is all going on and he needed leverage is that he is fighting for program changes/BIG pay increases for assistants.

So basically what Whiskey and many others (really every sane person with shred of experience in negotiation/business) has been saying for pages now. All of the David Haugh's and Dennis Dodd's who don't have a clue what they're talking about need to step off.

That strategy only results in "all being well" if ND gives him what he's demanding. If ND calls his bluff, then what's he gonna do?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The flying really wasn't the point I was trying to make. My only point was there's no way this wasn't set up before the NCG. Every minute of their day in Miami was preplanned and there's no way he'd be able to sneak off for some "quiet time" with an Eagles rep without it being planned in advance, blocked off on his calendar, something.

This is pure conjecture. We have no reason to believe that the interview was serious, pre-planned, etc.. For all we know, Swarbrick conspired with Kelly to create this little showdown so they could both get concessions from Jenkins and the BoT regarding serious changes to the football program.

 

[TDHeysus]

I might have to change my screen name

i think your screen name is fine...cant blame the man for wanting to get paid for a job well done.

 

[NDBoiler]

His actions leave doubt. I don't go on a date when I am solidly committed to my Wife!

Solidly: firm, hard, or compact in substance: solid ground.

Committed: to bind or obligate, as by pledge or assurance; pledge: to commit oneself to a promise; to be committed to a course of action.

But you don't know for certain the motivation for those actions - i.e. program changes/assistant pay raises.

Maybe there is a little more than meets the eye here.

 

[wizards8507]

This is pure conjecture. We have no reason to believe that the interview was serious, pre-planned, etc.. For all we know, Swarbrick conspired with Kelly to create this little showdown so they could both get concessions from Jenkins and the BoT regarding serious changes to the football program.

Lol, right because an elaborate conspiracy theory of deception and betrayal is more likely than a job interview being planned a week in advance.

 

[TheChosen1]

The "All is Well" phrase is becoming the phrase of ND boards

 

[Booslum31]

What's killing me is that we are hearing nothing from the University. Nothing from Swarbrick. Nothing from the assistants. At this critical time I'd think they would be saying something to their fans, but more importantly to the recruits. Maybe they have a message for the recruits that we aren't hearing.

 

[NDohio]

If it turns out to be true that BK was doing this (even in part) to get his asssistants some more money, how funny is going to be to see everyone go from "Effff himmmm, he's killing us!" to "What a stand-up guy!" on a dime.

I love football.

I so agree with this. It is going to be awesome to see the responses of some of the "jump off the cliff" posters when BK was truly looking out for the program.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

FYI and this is an actual update not just bantering back and forth:

Former ND great QB Terry Hanratty (and father of current player Connor Hanratty) posts pretty regularly on 247.

He just made a post title "Relax--all is well" the content of which is premium... but suffice to say it appears BK has no intention of going anywhere (and apparently the players know as much), and the reason why this is all going on and he needed leverage is that he is fighting for program changes/BIG pay increases for assistants.

So basically what Whiskey and many others (really every sane person with shred of experience in negotiation/business) has been saying for pages now. All of the David Haugh's and Dennis Dodd's who don't have a clue what they're talking about need to step off.

So TP is really TH? Hmmm....

 

[NDBoiler]

This is pure conjecture. We have no reason to believe that the interview was serious, pre-planned, etc.. For all we know, Swarbrick conspired with Kelly to create this little showdown so they could both get concessions from Jenkins and the BoT regarding serious changes to the football program.

Look at this guy, thinking outside of the box!

That would be totally big fat hairy balls by BK and JS if that was the case though.

 

[wizards8507]

What's killing me is that we are hearing nothing from the University. Nothing from Swarbrick. Nothing from the assistants. At this critical time I'd think they would be saying something to their fans, but more importantly to the recruits. Maybe they have a message for the recruits that we aren't hearing.

That's what I was hoping but some of the recruits are gunslingers on Twitter and I doubt we would have gone this long without hearing something if they knew it.

 

[PraetorianND]

This is pure conjecture. We have no reason to believe that the interview was serious, pre-planned, etc.. For all we know, Swarbrick conspired with Kelly to create this little showdown so they could both get concessions from Jenkins and the BoT regarding serious changes to the football program.

And get a senate seat in Indiana.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Lol, right because an elaborate conspiracy theory of deception and betrayal is more likely than a job interview being planned a week in advance.

When this "story" was first broken by reporters who share the same agent as BK, it was mysteriously short on details-- where, when and how BK interviewed with the Eagles. Now, several days later, those details still aren't forth-coming. If this was a real interview with serious interest from both sides (and not simply "mutual interest" claimed by Trace Armstrong) there would be a lot more to report on.

Right after the story broke, many here commented on how strange it would be for BK to leave ND like this, right after the NCG. We speculated that this may simply be a common negotiating tactic aimed at getting BK an extension and his assistants significant raises. Since then, we've read several reports to that effect, and not a single one substantiating the NFL interest other than paranoid hand-waving about BK being a "climber", etc.

You're the one who's taking an obviously self-interested leak by BK's agent at face value. Read between the lines.

 

[wizards8507]

When this "story" was first broken by reporters who share the same agent as BK, it was mysteriously short on details-- where, when and how BK interviewed with the Eagles. Now, several days later, those details still aren't forth-coming. If this was a real interview with serious interest from both sides (and not simply "mutual interest" claimed by Trace Armstrong) there would be a lot more to report on.

That goes both ways. I agree that we would have expected to hear more from reporters etc if there was some "meat" to the story, but I also think that we would have heard more/sooner from the University if there is no story. I'm not sure silence points either direction because there is incentive for somebody to speak up either way.

 

[Fbolt]

F me. I check out for a few days and see this?

So, is BK a climber or is this a negoitiating tactic?











Lol

 

[IrishLax]

That strategy only results in "all being well" if ND gives him what he's demanding. If ND calls his bluff, then what's he gonna do?

Probably look to leave. Would you blame him? If we're not going to pay him what he wants, give him the money to retain his assistants, and commit to being a program serious about football then he has no reason to stay.

Simply put, the BoT and other people over Swarbick's head have a longstanding history of not giving a crap about the football team and/or working actively against it. The good news is that Jenkins appears to be a far cry from other presidents who did not have football's best interests at heart and so stuff should get done.

But yeah... all the people like Haugh (and hundreds of others) saying "He was going to get paid anyways! This isn't necessary!" have absolutely no idea how complex and difficult it is to wrangle millions of dollars a year and programmatic changes from people who don't feel like they need to pay it or make the changes to keep winning. Most of these people in charge of the money are completely clueless to how the metagame of college football is played.

 

[chicago51]

When this "story" was first broken by reporters who share the same agent as BK, it was mysteriously short on details-- where, when and how BK interviewed with the Eagles. Now, several days later, those details still aren't forth-coming. If this was a real interview with serious interest from both sides (and not simply "mutual interest" claimed by Trace Armstrong) there would be a lot more to report on.

Right after the story broke, many here commented on how strange it would be for BK to leave ND like this, right after the NCG. We speculated that this may simply be a common negotiating tactic aimed at getting BK an extension and his assistants significant raises. Since then, we've read several reports to that effect, and not a single one substantiating the NFL interest other than paranoid hand-waving about BK being a "climber", etc.

You're the one who's taking an obviously self-interested leak by BK's agent at face value. Read between the lines.

I agree BK's agent obviously has self motivations.

Also most of what has been said publically has been only from ESPN. ESPN wants a juicy story. So they present information a format that makes it appear to be juicy story. Not mention BK's agent has a relationship with the ESPN reporters.