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Good stuff tonight. A little predictable (Saul getting duped), but overall outstanding show. Who the hell is tailing Mike? Wish the season was longer. No chicken man.... :-(

Has to be Gus who left the note
 

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I thought Mike was going to be the one to put Hector in his wheel-chair. Time will tell...
 

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Has to be Gus who left the note

100%. I think the writers have basically confirmed it at this point, also, with the whole "FRINGS BACK" in the S2 titles and whatnot. And plot-wise it is the only thing that really makes sense.
 

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Season premier Monday!

Can't wait. The return of Gus and Pollos Hermanos should make for a phenomenal season.
 

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Binge-watched Season 2 over the course of two days last week when I was home with a sick baby.

Might go back and binge-watch Season 1 over the weekend, and then watch the Season 2 finale again before Monday night.

I didn't see the thing about "Fring's Back" from the episode titles, but after having seen the Los Pollos Hermanos commercials on TV during the Super Bowl or whenever it premiered, it was obvious who left the "Don't" note on Mike's car.

Someone is gonna fuck Hector Salamanca up, making him speechless in that wheelchair.

Plot-twist guess would be that Tuco does it somehow, which is why he takes care of his uncle during BB. I know, I know, family loyalty would explain it just fine, but Tuco doesn't strike me as a guy that would abide by those traditional respects, especially with how unstable he is.

My realistic guess is Nacho does it somehow, perhaps as revenge for getting punished for Tuco's failings, and gets himself killed in the process (or, less likely, gets out of town safely before the twins show up to avenge Hector).

This was my original guess after watching the finale and seeing Mike's failure to get a clean shot. I then did some research, and there is evidence from Breaking Bad that may support such a situation.
 

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What happened guys? Nothing on the first two episodes?

It amazes me how Chuck continues to find new levels of vitriol and hatred, while still being fun to watch. It's actually intriguing to continuously watch him become an even bigger piece of sh*t towards Jimmy, while being technically right about everything. It's actually quite ingenious how Chuck is logically correct, while Jimmy is morally correct.

I like how every time Chuck and Jimmy have a fight, Chuck has a self-righteous and hypocritical remark that he yells to show how much of a delusional scumbag he is:

"You take these shortcuts and suddenly you think I'm your peer!? I committed my life to this!" You selfish, tunnel-visioned a-hole. He went to night school, while pulling a full-time job in the mailroom to make YOU proud and make good on the opportunity YOU gave him. But suddenly he's making too much progress. It's not good enough unless you are able to keep him under your foot.

"I can't believe my own brother sabotaged me!" - Oh you mean like you did to your brother...TWICE! That we know of.

"Make a change before it's too late, before you destroy yourself or someone else." Except YOU Chuck, destroyed Jimmy. You were there every step of the way to force him into corners that he would then have to cut.
 
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What happened guys? Nothing on the first two episodes?

This show is so fucking good we are all too stunned to post anything.

That tilt shift shot of Mike watching that dude retrieve the 3rd package was one of the most stunning pieces of cinematography I can ever remember seeing.
 

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I was gonna say it doesn't even sniff Breaking Bad's ass so far.

I disagree. BCS is very much in BB's league at this point. Jimmy is a lot more relatable than Walt was honestly, which makes it a lot more enjoyable to watch him turn. It's not the straight-man turn criminal thriller that BB was, but the character interaction and the developments are just perfect. Also, loving the Mike backstory we're getting.

I've already went in on how much of a detestable POS Chuck is, but he's honestly one of the best parts of the show.
 

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After watching Breaking Bad on Netflix, I was very surprised that Walter White was perceived as some kind of bada$$. Maybe it was living overseas in some rather dangerous places, but Breaking Bad just didn't do anything for me at all. I love Better Call Saul.

Re: The shot of the package retrieval. I read that this season will focus even more on cinematography storytelling. A single camera angle can tell an entire story on that show.
 

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So, just caught up on that last episode...

Not really sure which direction the ruling is gonna go. Maybe some type of "no contest" or something? Chuck admitted to lying to get Jimmy on tape, so Jimmy counters that he was lying because Chuck was acting crazy.

That was brilliant. Then actually SHOWING that Chuck isn't really sick?

Maybe they rule that Chuck is incompetent mentally and can no longer practice, but ruining his brother's career makes Jimmy untouchable to any big firm, which is why he becomes Saul Goodman?
 

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So, just caught up on that last episode...

Not really sure which direction the ruling is gonna go. Maybe some type of "no contest" or something? Chuck admitted to lying to get Jimmy on tape, so Jimmy counters that he was lying because Chuck was acting crazy.

That was brilliant. Then actually SHOWING that Chuck isn't really sick?

Maybe they rule that Chuck is incompetent mentally and can no longer practice, but ruining his brother's career makes Jimmy untouchable to any big firm, which is why he becomes Saul Goodman?

I think Jimmy's goal was to show that his brother hates him and therefore puts into question the entire context of the tape recording.

This show is just pure awesomeness.
 

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I was gonna say it doesn't even sniff Breaking Bad's ass so far.

Agreed. Breaking Bad was major league. Better Call Saul is more like Double A ball. Really can't stand the whole story line about Jimmy's brother and the electricity BS. The only thing I've been watching lately that keeps my interest is Billions on Showtime.
 

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So, just caught up on that last episode...

Not really sure which direction the ruling is gonna go. Maybe some type of "no contest" or something? Chuck admitted to lying to get Jimmy on tape, so Jimmy counters that he was lying because Chuck was acting crazy.

That was brilliant. Then actually SHOWING that Chuck isn't really sick?

Maybe they rule that Chuck is incompetent mentally and can no longer practice, but ruining his brother's career makes Jimmy untouchable to any big firm, which is why he becomes Saul Goodman?

Jimmy already tried the "big firm" route with D&M. He wants to build his career from the ground up.

As for the ruling, Chuck's condition will almost certainly rule out the tape as being used as evidence. It is clear that Chuck's condition makes Jimmy's words invalid, as it's very realistic that he said it to calm Chuck, who has and continues to show symptoms of major mental trauma.

This doesn't mean Jimmy's off the hook, as he still faces discipline for breaking and entering as well as destruction of property.

But it does make sense to unleash Saul Goodman now. Sure, his practice will be temporarily suspended and he'll likely get it back, but that extended hiatus could result in him losing all his clients. The question remains, what does Saul Goodman mean to Jimmy? What does he gain by going under the guise of Goodman?
 
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Jimmy already tried the "big firm" route with D&M. He wants to build his career from the ground up.

As for the ruling, Chuck's condition will almost certainly rule out the tape as being used as evidence. It is clear that Chuck's condition makes Jimmy's words invalid, as it's very realistic that he said it to calm Chuck, who has and continues to show symptoms of major mental trauma.

This doesn't mean Jimmy's off the hook, as he still faces discipline for breaking and entering as well as destruction of property.

But it does make sense to unleash Saul Goodman now. Sure, his practice will be temporarily suspended and he'll likely get it back, but that extended hiatus could result in him losing all his clients. The question remains, what does Saul Goodman mean to Jimmy? What does he gain by going under the guise of Goodman?

If he goes Saul Goodman now he cant work in the place he is working with his partner. She wont go for that and I think its too early for Saul to show up. Whatever it is I think ultimately Saul doesnt show up until after whatever it is has him working at Cinnabon.

I am guesing something really bad happens that has him in either witness protection or he is legally in trouble where he is hiding and none of that has happened yet.
 

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If he goes Saul Goodman now he cant work in the place he is working with his partner. She wont go for that and I think its too early for Saul to show up. Whatever it is I think ultimately Saul doesnt show up until after whatever it is has him working at Cinnabon.

I am guesing something really bad happens that has him in either witness protection or he is legally in trouble where he is hiding and none of that has happened yet.

The Cinnabon time-frame is after fleeing Albuquerque in the penultimate episode of Breaking Bad. It's a running joke from Breaking Bad that if the shit every really hit the fan, he'd be managing a Cinnabon in Omaha, if he's lucky, best case scenario. So while I agree it's too early to go full blown Saul, that element would not fit chronologically.

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That's part of what I enjoy most about Better Call Saul, we literally have little to no idea what happens in the journey from Jimmy to Saul (sans that a few relationships have to develop into what we ultimately knew; Mike and Gustavo, etc.).
 
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The Cinnabon time-frame is after fleeing Albuquerque in the penultimate episode of Breaking Bad. It's a running joke from Breaking Bad that if the shit every really hit the fan, he'd be managing a Cinnabon in Omaha, if he's lucky, best case scenario. So while I agree it's too early to go full blown Saul, that element would not fit chronologically.

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That's part of what I enjoy most about Better Call Saul, we literally have little to no idea what happens in the journey from Jimmy to Saul (sans that a few relationships have to develop into what we ultimately knew; Mike and Gustavo, etc.).

Thats right. How did I forget that.... shesh. Nevermind me
 

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The Cinnabon time-frame is after fleeing Albuquerque in the penultimate episode of Breaking Bad. It's a running joke from Breaking Bad that if the shit every really hit the fan, he'd be managing a Cinnabon in Omaha, if he's lucky, best case scenario. So while I agree it's too early to go full blown Saul, that element would not fit chronologically.

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That's part of what I enjoy most about Better Call Saul, we literally have little to no idea what happens in the journey from Jimmy to Saul (sans that a few relationships have to develop into what we ultimately knew; Mike and Gustavo, etc.).

Thats right. How did I forget that.... shesh. Nevermind me

Are we SURE that's how it works out, though?

I know Saul had to blow that pop stand after BB, and he looks old enough in the Cinnabon scenes...

But he could also have been speaking from experience in BB, and the Cinnabon thing was on the way to full-out Saul Goodman.
 

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Are we SURE that's how it works out, though?

I know Saul had to blow that pop stand after BB, and he looks old enough in the Cinnabon scenes...

But he could also have been speaking from experience in BB, and the Cinnabon thing was on the way to full-out Saul Goodman.

I suppose anything is possible, but since Vince Gilligan has given interviews about this, it would have to be a newer idea to incorporate it earlier as well.
 

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Doesn't he watch the old TV ads after a shift at Cinnabon?
 

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Doesn't he watch the old TV ads after a shift at Cinnabon?

Yes. That's in the penultimate episode of Breaking Bad; again referencing that Saul had already come to fruition long before his stint as a bun man in Omaha.
 

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Also considering how he is looking over his shoulder constantly in Cinnabonland. Wonders about helping the cops when that kid stole some stuff and hid out in the photobooth. Etc. Clearly present time for Jimmy.
 

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Watched the newest episode.....loved the ending. Saul Goodman! The writing has been incredible this season
 

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Saul in BB always had a lighter feel, but he was also a straight dick/cheat and never showed any hints of "Jimmy McGill."

Every episode of BCS that goes by, I get more and more anxious for whatever plot developments force him away from his current "generally a good guy that cuts some corners" to "embrace the sleaze."
 
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