Autry Denson

[Ndaccountant]

Now that I'm thinking back on it, I thought we had already discussed it on here but maybe that was just in mod forum. Deon McIntosh had a lot of small transgressions and the last straw was at the bowl game (allegedly) getting caught with a hooker.

The ol' Derrell Hand job, amirite?

 

[ulukinatme]

I can neither confirm nor deny whether that info is contained in said forum.

But being completely serious for a second, there is a very legitimate reason why the stuff on Davonte isn't posted publicly here. I'll PM you.

You might as well post it, cause now everyone is going to be asking for a PM

 

[Henges24]

You might as well post it, cause now everyone is going to be asking for a PM

As an ND fan you don't want that out in the public.

 

[NDdomer2]

You might as well post it, cause now everyone is going to be asking for a PM

I'll jump on that ask

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Now I need to know. PM would be much appreciated. Thank you.


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[ThePiombino]

I can neither confirm nor deny whether that info is contained in said forum.

But being completely serious for a second, there is a very legitimate reason why the stuff on Davonte isn't posted publicly here. I'll PM you.

I mean if you're offering PMs...

😇

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[zelezo vlk]

Next time people ask, I'm gonna PM intentionally wrong info. Like Davonte was caught riding a bike naked yelling "Michigan did nothing wrong!"

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[Crazy Balki]

I would be more concerned, but in Denson's first season, we had one of the most dynamic rushing attacks with a converted safety/wide receiver and a lanky true freshman leading the charge at RB.

Key word being "more" concerned, since I'm still pretty concerned.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Somebody please send me a PM me with the DN info. Now my intrigue has outgrown my self control.

 

[dshans]

ALL HIS FAULT!

Nyet.

BLAME OBAMA!

 

[ulukinatme]

Next time people ask, I'm gonna PM intentionally wrong info. Like Davonte was caught riding a bike naked yelling "Michigan did nothing wrong!"

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I have the info. Very reliable sources have told me that Davonte was behind 9/11 and that he shot JFK.

 

[BobbyMac]

I have the info. Very reliable sources have told me that Davonte was behind 9/11 and that he shot JFK.

On the same day.

*disclaimer... I took that from his UofA bio.

 

[NDMIA]

II podcast answered a question on what they thought of Denson as a recruiter and they did not give exactly glowing reviews of his recruiting prowess. Basically, nobody questions his talent as a RB position coach as he has improved and developed Tony Jones Jr, Josh Adams, Deon McIntosh, etc. However, Loy mentioned that from recruits he's spoken to he never gets the, "wow, Coach Denson is all over me, and hitting me up everyday" thing. He also mentioned that you can hear from recruits that they know and rave about Elston, Polian, Long, Lea, and others but doesn't hear about recruits raving about Autry Denson as much (that doesn't mean recruits don't like him). Sinclair also mentioned the selling points of ND's runningback position which includes a talented Offensive Line, an amazing 2019 OL class, an O-Coordinator who likes to run, and a good developer of talent in Denson himself. Sinclair then added that he spoke to Kenan Christon and got the impression that the kid has not been made fully aware of these selling points and that if it was him he'd be pushing those things incredibly hard. I personally think Denson has come from Miami (OH) and Bethune Cookman where he recruited nobody close to this level before and there might be an adjustment period. Also, I think landing one stud recruit could propel him into the conversation for many of the top RB recruits and give him some credibility on the trail. Again, I think Denson is a fantastic position coach so if you could combine the recruiting to the position coach level then you'd have something special.

 

[longliveautrydenson]

II podcast answered a question on what they thought of Denson as a recruiter and they did not give exactly glowing reviews of his recruiting prowess. Basically, nobody questions his talent as a RB position coach as he has improved and developed Tony Jones Jr, Josh Adams, Deon McIntosh, etc. However, Loy mentioned that from recruits he's spoken to he never gets the, "wow, Coach Denson is all over me, and hitting me up everyday" thing. He also mentioned that you can hear from recruits that they know and rave about Elston, Polian, Long, Lea, and others but doesn't hear about recruits raving about Autry Denson as much (that doesn't mean recruits don't like him). Sinclair also mentioned the selling points of ND's runningback position which includes a talented Offensive Line, an amazing 2019 OL class, an O-Coordinator who likes to run, and a good developer of talent in Denson himself. Sinclair then added that he spoke to Kenan Christon and got the impression that the kid has not been made fully aware of these selling points and that if it was him he'd be pushing those things incredibly hard. I personally think Denson has come from Miami (OH) and Bethune Cookman where he recruited nobody close to this level before and there might be an adjustment period. Also, I think landing one stud recruit could propel him into the conversation for many of the top RB recruits and give him some credibility on the trail. Again, I think Denson is a fantastic position coach so if you could combine the recruiting to the position coach level then you'd have something special.

He is apparently still sending recruits motivational quotes every day. That is not an effective recruiting strategy. If kids wanted motivational quotes, they can just follow “Motivational Quotes Daily” on Twitter or Instagram. If he doesn’t abandon that tactic soon and start actually trying to build relationships with recruits, I don’t care how good of a talent developer he is. I’ll take a slight drop off in coaching, if it means a substantial improvement in recruiting. It’s easier to make a superior talent marginally better than an inferior talent supremely better.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'll worry about his recruiting, when the results on the field are impacted by them.

Below are two stat lines. One is a high 4 star sophomore. And one is a sophomore who Denson landed because he can't recruit better players.

54 att 289 yds 5.4 avg 3 Td's
65 att 368 yds 5.7 avg 5 Td's

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I have not been following recruiting as much in recent years. But isn’t Denom’s territory Florida? So he doesn’t get credit for recruiting kids like Austin and George Takacs and Wilkins?


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[BobbyMac]

I have not been following recruiting as much in recent years. But isn’t Denom’s territory Florida? So he doesn’t get credit for recruiting kids like Austin and George Takacs and Wilkins?


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I think he was Troy Pride's recruiter too.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I think he was Troy Pride's recruiter too.

So he doesn’t get credit or factor into their recruitment? Only RB’s that could be in different territories than his?

I don’t understand. If someone can explain to me why my assumptions are incorrect?


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[NDdomer2]

So he doesn’t get credit or factor into their recruitment? Only RB’s that could be in different territories than his?

I don’t understand. If someone can explain to me why my assumptions are incorrect?


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Should his recruitment of his coached position not weigh more heavily in his evaluation?

 

[IrishLax]

I have not been following recruiting as much in recent years. But isn’t Denom’s territory Florida? So he doesn’t get credit for recruiting kids like Austin and George Takacs and Wilkins?


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Nah because that doesn’t fit the narrative they want to push.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Nah because that doesn’t fit the narrative they want to push.

Who is they? They?


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[Luckylucci]

Who is they? They?


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A couple of the paid sites are really pushing this as it’s an easy click bait subject right now. At one point it was Elston, then it was Lyght, and now it’s Denson. And, it’s also entirely based on their respective evals/rankings/ratings, so that's convenient, lol.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

A couple of the paid sites are really pushing this as it’s an easy click bait subject right now. At one point it was Elston, then it was Lyght, and now it’s Denson. And, it’s also entirely based on their respective evals/rankings/ratings, so that's convenient, lol.

Driskell had a few things to say about Denson on the BGI podcast from Monday. Both good and bad. As I listened and thought about it, there is a lot to agree with. Hard to argue that 60% of your position group has been in some kind of trouble. His work on the trail seems to be good, expect at his given position. Its worth a listen if you haven't

 

[IrishLax]

Driskell had a few things to say about Denson on the BGI podcast from Monday. Both good and bad. As I listened and thought about it, there is a lot to agree with. Hard to argue that 60% of your position group has been in some kind of trouble. His work on the trail seems to be good, expect at his given position. Its worth a listen if you haven't

Yes, Deon McIntosh and CJ Holmes got in trouble. You can blame him for recruiting those two guys, I guess. It's certainly not a position coach's job to baby sit his players so I do find relatively easy to argue that that's his fault... especially given CJ Holmes' background I dunno how you predict he was going to shoplift something at ND.

Bottom line is that primary ND running backs have averaged 6.8, 5.9, and 7.3 YPC under Denson. In the rest of the Kelly era, they averaged 4.9, 5.1, 5.5, 4.6, and 5.1. I will entertain serious criticism of Denson as the RB coach the moment 1) the production returns to pre-Denson eras (might happen this year) or 2) we have to rely on his recruits and they don't produce. Both of those could very well happen this season. Until then it's mostly clickbait and hot air.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Yes, Deon McIntosh and CJ Holmes got in trouble. You can blame him for recruiting those two guys, I guess. It's certainly not a position coach's job to baby sit his players so I do find relatively easy to argue that that's his fault... especially given CJ Holmes' background I dunno how you predict he was going to shoplift something at ND.

The babysitting part was a big part of his argument. Used Elstons group as an example, how they are at his house, and he is involved heavily in their lives ect. Partly is the job of the position coach to keep his finger on the pulse of his guys, correct problems before they get to big. Now this is also the job of Captains, and fellow teammates, but as they say, the buck stops hear.

You forgot to add Dexter to that group. He didn't recruit him, but he is in his room.

I am not bashing the guy, Denson is my all time Fav ND player, and I think he is a fantastic guy on and off the field. Heck, his players produce on the field as well. its all aces in that regard. All I am saying is I thought the pod cast was worth a listen. Lou and Brian touch on the subject. Weather you agree or not.

 

[Irish YJ]

I think ND overall offers an environment that is conducive to "doing the right thing".... do the coaches have skin in the game in terms of keeping them on the right path? Sure. But kids do stupid shit at every university, and some kids are just stupid. short of being up there ass every minute and tucking them into bed every night, not sure how much a position coach has the ability to impact their actions. If Denson is care free and irresponsible himself, sure that might set a tone... but I doubt that's the case. In short, I doubt he could have done much. I'm sure he's learning on the job, and will be better for his players screw ups in the future.

 

[longliveautrydenson]

Yes, Deon McIntosh and CJ Holmes got in trouble. You can blame him for recruiting those two guys, I guess. It's certainly not a position coach's job to baby sit his players so I do find relatively easy to argue that that's his fault... especially given CJ Holmes' background I dunno how you predict he was going to shoplift something at ND.

The babysitting part was a big part of his argument. Used Elstons group as an example, how they are at his house, and he is involved heavily in their lives ect. Partly is the job of the position coach to keep his finger on the pulse of his guys, correct problems before they get to big. Now this is also the job of Captains, and fellow teammates, but as they say, the buck stops hear.

You forgot to add Dexter to that group. He didn't recruit him, but he is in his room.

I am not bashing the guy, Denson is my all time Fav ND player, and I think he is a fantastic guy on and off the field. Heck, his players produce on the field as well. its all aces in that regard. All I am saying is I thought the pod cast was worth a listen. Lou and Brian touch on the subject. Weather you agree or not.

I spoke recently with a guy whose brother plays at OSU. He says the way they keep kids out of trouble is scheduling 10-15 minute meetings every other 30-45 minutes throughout the day. That way the school doesn’t exceed NCAA time limits and the kids don’t have enough free time to leave the football facility and screw up. Sounds like a miserable existence.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

I spoke recently with a guy whose brother plays at OSU. He says the way they keep kids out of trouble is scheduling 10-15 minute meetings every other 30-45 minutes throughout the day. That way the school doesn’t exceed NCAA time limits and the kids don’t have enough free time to leave the football facility and screw up. Sounds like a miserable existence.

You have to be kidding?

 

[longliveautrydenson]

You have to be kidding?

I am not. I am also hesitant to bash OSU for doing it because for all I know we could be doing the exact same thing.

 

[IrishLax]

The babysitting part was a big part of his argument. Used Elstons group as an example, how they are at his house, and he is involved heavily in their lives ect. Partly is the job of the position coach to keep his finger on the pulse of his guys, correct problems before they get to big. Now this is also the job of Captains, and fellow teammates, but as they say, the buck stops hear.

That's just a completely asinine opinion by Driskell. I mean truly, that doesn't even pass the sniff test. No wonder he was such a failure as a coach.

First of all, Elston's guys have had plenty of "off the field" and "character" problems over the years. There is at least one pending situation right now, and multiple other guys have had issues -- Jarron Jones, Jay Hayes, Tiassum, etc. That is probably the worst possible example he could've chosen on the team for contrast.

Second of all, having people over for a BBQ or whatever does not prevent someone from performing criminal activity. Like I said... totally fine to blame him for recruiting McIntosh and Holmes. But if Driskell thinks it's part of the job description of a position coach to helicopter parent every single player in his group that's insane and completely unrealistic. What's the premise... that if Holmes had chilled at Denson's crib more he wouldn't have stolen a pair of sweatpants? Come on....

You forgot to add Dexter to that group. He didn't recruit him, but he is in his room.

The idea that he is responsible for Dexter Williams off the field problems is a non-starter for me. Like if you were a position coach and inherited Johnny Manziel would it be fair to expect you to be responsible *as a football coach* for correcting his destructive behavior and alcoholism?

I am not bashing the guy, Denson is my all time Fav ND player, and I think he is a fantastic guy on and off the field. Heck, his players produce on the field as well. its all aces in that regard. All I am saying is I thought the pod cast was worth a listen. Lou and Brian touch on the subject. Weather you agree or not.

I'll check it out and give it a fair shake, but from what you're saying I doubt my opinion will change. To be clear, I think your posting is totally legit... I'm expressing disagreement with Driskell's content/conclusions.