All things Spartans

[Luckylucci]

Well the HC of Iowa State just told them no. So let him be the one to tell you it's not that attractive of a job. I don't really care about the 'allure' or lack thereof of MSU but I also wouldn't limit it to the current top 25. There are programs not currently in the top 25 that would be more attractive. A one season ranking isn't that relevant.

 

[NDdomer2]

Well the HC of Iowa State just told them no. So let him be the one to tell you it's not that attractive of a job. I don't really care about the 'allure' or lack thereof of MSU but I also wouldn't limit it to the current top 25. There are programs not currently in the top 25 that would be more attractive. A one season ranking isn't that relevant.

all the recent issues with the athletic department certainly arent helping MSU here. There's no reason for Matt Campbell to step onto a potential landmine.

 

[BeauBenken]

I don't think any coach would leave a good situation right now at the P5 level or at the fringe top 25 G5 level to take the job at MSU. It sounds like they are potentially going to be facing NCAA backlash, and taking on a job like that would be Matt Rhule level of cojones. (Okay, it might not be Baylor bad yet, but it does not look that pretty when you consider who they are stuck playing every year in their division.)

 

[Irish#1]

Well the HC of Iowa State just told them no. So let him be the one to tell you it's not that attractive of a job. I don't really care about the 'allure' or lack thereof of MSU but I also wouldn't limit it to the current top 25. There are programs not currently in the top 25 that would be more attractive. A one season ranking isn't that relevant.

Sure they're relevant. I used the current top 25 as an example because you don't see them in the top 25 on a regular basis like you typically do with MSU. I suspect you would find similar examples from previous years. We could go case by case with this and not agree. One coach doesn't define if ISU is better than MSU IMO. Campbell has something going and may want to see how far he can take it. Doesn't mean the ISU job is better. I may be wrong, but it appears you're using the micronism of this year to make the claim that ISU is better. If we're looking at just this moment, I don't disagree. If you're looking at the broader view and history, MSU is better IMO. ISU has played FB 27 more years, yet MSU has won 67 more games in a shorter period.

MSU
Seasons: 95 (1918 to 2019)
Record (W-L-T): 585-383-30
Adjusted Record (W-L-T): 580-388-30
Conferences: Big Ten, Ind
Conf. Championships: 9
Bowl Record: 29 Bowls, 13-16, .448 W-L% (Major Bowls)
Ranked in AP Poll: 32 Times (Preseason), 27 Times (Final), 403 Weeks (Total)

ISU
Seasons: 122 (1895 to 2019)
Record (W-L-T): 518-648-45
Adjusted Record (W-L-T): 519-647-45
Conferences: Big 12, Big 8, Big 7, Big 6, MVIAA, Ind
Conf. Championships: 2
Bowl Record: 15 Bowls, 4-11, .267 W-L% (Major Bowls)
Ranked in AP Poll: 2 Times (Preseason), 2 Times (Final), 51 Weeks (Total)

I won't debate the issues they have with the athletic department at the moment, but that like Joe Pa at PSU will pass as well. Like I said, if we're looking at just this moment, we agree. If we're discussing overall then we'll agree to disagree.

 

[IrishLion]

Fickell turned them down... or rather, didn't even take the call lol.

He 'evaluated' the opening, but decided now is not the time to move on.

Dantonio really screwed MSU by waiting to cash that bonus check. They're going to have to try and steal a decent coordinator from somewhere at this point, or realllllllly reach on a G5 head coach.

 

[Irish#1]

Fickell turned them down... or rather, didn't even take the call lol.

He 'evaluated' the opening, but decided now is not the time to move on.

Dantonio really screwed MSU by waiting to cash that bonus check. They're going to have to try and steal a decent coordinator from somewhere at this point, or realllllllly reach on a G5 head coach.

He didn't do them any favors. I haven't checked but wonder how it affected NSD?

 

[Luckylucci]

Fickell turned them down... or rather, didn't even take the call lol.

He 'evaluated' the opening, but decided now is not the time to move on.

Dantonio really screwed MSU by waiting to cash that bonus check. They're going to have to try and steal a decent coordinator from somewhere at this point, or realllllllly reach on a G5 head coach.

Real attractive job opening, right here

 

[Irish2155]

Real attractive job opening, right here

I think it’s a great opportunity, maybe not for Fleck, Fickle or the ISU guy right now, but still a lot of potential there regardless. Dantonia leaving the water muddy is even more appealing IMO. There’s a lot of up and comers out there, like Fleck, Fickle or the ISU guy, who would make the most of this I think.

MSU is one of few teams in this country to make a Playoff game. Winning can happen as it’s been proven and a fresh set of eyes might just do wonders.

Then that guy moves on and wins NCs at ND. The world is great.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

MSU before prospective coaches:

 

[zelezo vlk]

I'd call Jim Leonard the DC of Wisconsin

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[Legacy]

Davie is available.

 

[Meatloaf]

Dantonio really screwed MSU by waiting to cash that bonus check. They're going to have to try and steal a decent coordinator from somewhere at this point, or realllllllly reach on a G5 head coach.

There's a rumor going around from MSU fans on r/cfb that Dantonio sandbagged their administration and announced his retirement this late in the game so they'd be forced to promote one of his guys from within. His exit package was signed in December and he easily could've announced then that he was stepping down once it kicked in in Feb. That's some next level cronyism.

 

[howell66]

FootballScoop had an article up this morning, saying that was the rumor in Dec, was that Dantonio was going to wait until late after the coaching carousel had stopped so that Sparty would be forced to keep Mike Tressel his DC, as their new coach. Tressel was named interim coach Yesterday.
The Scoop also reported that Matt Campbell & Luke Fickell had already turned the job down.

 

[howell66]

Pitt's AD also came out Today and said that after talking with him she expects Narduzzi to stay at Pitt. The yahoo sports article from Thamel, that FootballScoop was posting had a Michigan State insider Hondo Carpenter says the list of coaches he has heard mentioned are Fickell, Marvin Lewis, Pat Shurmur, Pat Narduzzi, Robert Saleh, Butch Jones, Jim McElwain, Craig Bohl, Matt Campbell and Mel Tucker.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I think Butch Jones makes a whole bunch of sense here. I don't see Butch getting anything much better if we waits a year or two.

 

[Henges24]

They better not steal McElwain.

 

[IrishLion]

Looks like Dantonio has convinced Fickell to ‘interview’ for the job.

It’s less them interviewing Fickell, and more Fickell interviewing them at this point. They had to convince him to show up so they can try to convince him to take the job.

He’s going to get actual answers about potential violations, not the media-friendly denials that MSU puts out, and they’re going to try and sell him on the MSU defensive players that are returning that he can build around.

Bad news for the Bearcats. If Fickell makes the late jump to MSU, hopefully UC immediately hires Denbrock or Freeman to replace Fickell, to at least keep continuity before Fickell can poach either of them.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Looks like Dantonio has convinced Fickell to ‘interview’ for the job.

It’s less them interviewing Fickell, and more Fickell interviewing them at this point. They had to convince him to show up so they can try to convince him to take the job.

He’s going to get actual answers about potential violations, not the media-friendly denials that MSU puts out, and they’re going to try and sell him on the MSU defensive players that are returning that he can build around.

Bad news for the Bearcats. If Fickell makes the late jump to MSU, hopefully UC immediately hires Denbrock or Freeman to replace Fickell, to at least keep continuity before Fickell can poach either of them.

Lion, you've got your wish. Fickell said no thanks according to the Detroit Free Press. Broke about 45 minutes ago.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...e-fickell-michigan-state-football/4711965002/

What a mess for MSU; IMO, looks like Dantonio will get his wish and Tressell will likely keep his interim HC promotion into the season. Slim pickin' this late in the process. Better off trying to limit the dumpster fire and hit the reset button next December if things don't work out.

Dantonio has always protected his cronies, and that was his ultimate downfall.

 

[BeauBenken]

I think MSU really should just hire Tressel, so long as he is willing to get them an effective OC.

 

[IrishLion]

Lion, you've got your wish. Fickell said no thanks according to the Detroit Free Press. Broke about 45 minutes ago.

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...e-fickell-michigan-state-football/4711965002/

What a mess for MSU; IMO, looks like Dantonio will get his wish and Tressell will likely keep his interim HC promotion into the season. Slim pickin' this late in the process. Better off trying to limit the dumpster fire and hit the reset button next December if things don't work out.

Dantonio has always protected his cronies, and that was his ultimate downfall.

 

[Luckylucci]

Colorado HC turned them down as well, lol.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...michigan-state-football-coach-job/4712198002/

Apparently multiple calls have been put in for Bret Bielema. Was an assistant for NYG this past season, OLBers and Defensive Analyst.

 

[Irish#1]

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...michigan-state-football-coach-job/4712198002/

Apparently multiple calls have been put in for Bret Bielema. Was an assistant for NYG this past season, OLBers and Defensive Analyst.

That would be a good fit.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

That would be a good fit.

Seems like it, I agree. Considering he played at Iowa and had really nice success at Wisconsin, I like the fit for both. He'd be right at home coming back to the Midwest.

 

[ulukinatme]

He probably should have never left Wisconsin, tbh. Considering Wisconsin is in the weaker side of the B1G and how dominating they were under Bielema he could have retired there as an icon.

 

[Irish#1]

Seems like it, I agree. Considering he played at Iowa and had really nice success at Wisconsin, I like the fit for both. He'd be right at home coming back to the Midwest.

And his style of FB while at Wiscy is pretty much the same they play at MSU.

 

[Luckylucci]

Jamie U at ISD posted that his thoughts were it was currently around the 7th-8th best job in the Big10. He also cited something that I did earlier which was it's not an attractive job because of how Dantonio was successful, it makes him a good coach but it's not an attractive job. And that is he was insanely successful at identifying talent and not recruiting talent. Which makes it less repeatable.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I think MSU really should just hire Tressel, so long as he is willing to get them an effective OC.

That would be a disaster IMO. MSU needs change, a whole lot of change. The program is stale.

 

[BobbyMac]

Jamie U at ISD posted that his thoughts were it was currently around the 7th-8th best job in the Big10. He also cited something that I did earlier which was it's not an attractive job because of how Dantonio was successful, it makes him a good coach but it's not an attractive job. And that is he was insanely successful at identifying talent and not recruiting talent. Which makes it less repeatable.

But you know... That's MSU's niche. They get the majority of guys they want in Michigan because UM recruits more nationally, they've done very well in Chicagoland and they shred Ohio for guys Ohio State doesn't want.

If you are willing to pay $5M+, it's a good job because it's 2x what you make at Cincy, other G5's or the lower tier programs in P5. I thought this could be a good spot for Dave Clawson to pull a Rhule/Baylor. He gets 2x as much money as he does at Wake and he knows how to farm 3*'s.

Fickell probably made a good decision turning down the B1G money because in 12 months, he'll be on the hot list again and won't have to deal with the NCAA.

 

[Ndaccountant]

But you know... That's MSU's niche. They get the majority of guys they want in Michigan because UM recruits more nationally, they've done very well in Chicagoland and they shred Ohio for guys Ohio State doesn't want.

If you are willing to pay $5M+, it's a good job because it's 2x what you make at Cincy, other G5's or the lower tier programs in P5. I thought this could be a good spot for Dave Clawson to pull a Rhule/Baylor. He gets 2x as much money as he does at Wake and he knows how to farm 3*'s.

Fickell probably made a good decision turning down the B1G money because in 12 months, he'll be on the hot list again and won't have to deal with the NCAA.

I still think Butch ends up here. The guy needs a job and if he does good enough here, he can make another move in 3-5 years.