All Things SkunkBear

[IrishSteelhead]

Fill in the blanks Phork:

 

[NDinL.A.]

Goal here is to win the B1G and go to the Rose Bowl. And if you are fortunate enough to win all of your games, you can shoot for the next one (1997).

Dude, seriously...that's embarrassing. That's me getting rejected by the hot chick for the prom, and settling for the ugly duckling and claiming she was the one I wanted the whole time. AND THEN PUTTING IT ON A MESSAGE BOARD AND HOPING PEOPLE BELIEVED ME.

How you could say (type) that outloud and not spit out your coffee laughing is beyond me.

I have nothing against you Blue, but that's gotta be one of the more pathetic things I've ever read on a message board. Gotta do better than that.

 

[IrishSpartan]

screw blew...

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I don't see where the glass house comes from. Nor did I mention graduation rates. I was pointing out how their players are morons. "We ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS". I would love to see some of the classes they took, because I'm pretty sure football players get special treatment there when it comes to grades to keep them eligible and "graduating" so they can boast about something.

Linking to that Cardale Jones tweet was a shot at OSU regarding its lax academic standards for football players. That's hilarious coming from a Michigan fan because your Football GSR is even more embarrassing than OSU's; you fail to graduate more than 40% of your African American football players. Thus the glass houses comment.

And at least OSU doesn't claim to be an elite academic institution on par with Stanford and ND. Talk about delusional...

 

[bibigon]

And at least OSU doesn't claim to be an elite academic institution on par with Stanford and ND. Talk about delusional...

Michigan doesn't treat academics seriously for their athletes, but as an academic institution generally, it makes us sound a bit absurd to claim it's not on par with ND.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Michigan doesn't treat academics seriously for their athletes, but as an academic institution generally, it makes us sound a bit absurd to claim it's not on par with ND.

For undergrad, that's a completely legitimate claim. UM is a large state school with some elite graduate programs, but their undergraduate is nothing special. Fortunately for them, most recruits can't make that distinction, so they trade off the reputation of their graduate programs in recruiting, despite the fact that it's completely irrelevant to the education such players will receive.

See for yourself. An undergraduate degree from ND is worth roughly doubly the average undergraduate degree from UM.

 

[T Town Tommy]

For undergrad, that's a completely legitimate claim. UM is a large state school with some elite graduate programs, but their undergraduate is nothing special. Fortunately for them, most recruits can't make that distinction, so they trade off the reputation of their graduate programs in recruiting, despite the fact that it's completely irrelevant to the education such players will receive.

See for yourself. An undergraduate degree from ND is worth roughly doubly the average undergraduate degree from UM.

Their claim for academics was also under the gun during the NCAA tourney in basketball. I read two or three articles that blasted their efforts and their apparent double standard between athletes and regular students.

 

[bibigon]

For undergrad, that's a completely legitimate claim. UM is a large state school with some elite graduate programs, but their undergraduate is nothing special. Fortunately for them, most recruits can't make that distinction, so they trade off the reputation of their graduate programs in recruiting, despite the fact that it's completely irrelevant to the education such players will receive.

See for yourself. An undergraduate degree from ND is worth roughly doubly the average undergraduate degree from UM.

Sure. I agree - UM doesn't do much more for their athletes than Alabama or Ohio State. But it's an extremely respected institution overall. They're something like 17th on the overall university rankings over at US News.

 

[LoveThee]

Sure. I agree - UM doesn't do much more for their athletes than Alabama or Ohio State. But it's an extremely respected institution overall. They're something like 17th on the overall university rankings over at US News.

29th. Notre Dame is 17th according to US News

 

[IrishLax]

Sure. I agree - UM doesn't do much more for their athletes than Alabama or Ohio State. But it's an extremely respected institution overall. They're something like 17th on the overall university rankings over at US News.

Never have they been in the top 20 or even very close. They're currently #29. Don't know why you would think they are #17 or where you would've heard that unless you live in Michigan and have your head filled with propaganda. Or are an undercover Michigan troll... which is maybe more plausible.

Like Whiskey said, they have a very elite graduate school for certain programs. And their undergraduate engineering has some really strong programs (not dissimilar from a Penn State or Illinois). But they're also just a big state school and like every big state school they have a large chunk of very "meh" students, large class sizes, and joke majors.

To claim they're on par with a Brown, Cornell, Rice, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt (the schools actually in the 15-17 range) for undergraduate education is just ludicrous.

 

[bibigon]

Never have they been in the top 20 or even very close. They're currently #29. Don't know why you would think they are #17 or where you would've heard that unless you live in Michigan and have your head filled with propaganda. Or are an undercover Michigan troll... which is maybe more plausible.

The U.S. News World's Best Universities rankings, ranking UM 17th. I didn't say undergraduate.

I don't care about UM, I just think rival fans think we look silly saying they're not a good academic institution.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Never have they been in the top 20 or even very close. They're currently #29. Don't know why you would think they are #17 or where you would've heard that unless you live in Michigan and have your head filled with propaganda. Or are an undercover Michigan troll... which is maybe more plausible.

Like Whiskey said, they have a very elite graduate school for certain programs. And their undergraduate engineering has some really strong programs (not dissimilar from a Penn State or Illinois). But they're also just a big state school and like every big state school they have a large chunk of very "meh" students, large class sizes, and joke majors.

To claim they're on par with a Brown, Cornell, Rice, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt (the schools actually in the 15-17 range) for undergraduate education is just ludicrous.

I just went through this with a friend. Michigan has a great Medical School, is really good in some graduate sciences, has a well received law school, etc.

QS World University Rankings.
US - University of Michigan

World Rank: 17


Score / Rank

World Rank 91.17 17
Academic Reputation 99.8 17
Employer Reputation 96.1 27
Faculty Student 92 63
Citations per Faculty 87.3 54
International Faculty 50.6 234
International Students 46.5 258

 

[Rack Em]

The U.S. News World's Best Universities rankings, ranking UM 17th. I didn't say undergraduate.

Ha! I said I'd give you 10 doll hairs, not dollars!

"Best Universities" doesn't apply to the discussion. We're talking the institution from which the student-athlete receives the degree.

I don't care about UM, I just think rival fans think we look silly saying they're not a good academic institution.

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[Bogtrotter07]

Ha! I said I'd give you 10 doll hairs, not dollars!

"Best Universities" doesn't apply to the discussion. We're talking the institution from which the student-athlete receives the degree.



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I agree with this post. All the Michigan fans that I talk to want to talk about the U of M's overall ranking. Which has nothing to do with undergraduate athletes. That is why I told them all that they were wussy-conflators, living in a world of their own made up facts!

 

[returnofthemack]

The U.S. News World's Best Universities rankings, ranking UM 17th. I didn't say undergraduate.

I don't care about UM, I just think rival fans think we look silly saying they're not a good academic institution.

F*ck other fans. What, if we start saying um is a good school because they've got kick-a$$ graduate programs, they won't dislike ND anymore? Screw that. um is one of the best public schools. When comparing undergrad educations, they are not on ND's level.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

F*ck other fans. What, if we start saying um is a good school because they've got kick-a$$ graduate programs, they won't dislike ND anymore? Screw that. um is one of the best public schools. When comparing undergrad educations, they are not on ND's level.

Did you mean pubic or public?

 

[IrishLax]

The U.S. News World's Best Universities rankings, ranking UM 17th. I didn't say undergraduate.

I don't care about UM, I just think rival fans think we look silly saying they're not a good academic institution.

What are football players? And all college students we're talking about who are picking a 4-year school for after high school? They sure as **** aren't graduate students.

You linked the stupid QS World University rankings which are done on "world reputation" and heavily weighting graduate research $$$. Yet, you you cited US News... which pretty much everyone knows refers to the national universities ranking that USN&WR actually does.

They DO NOT do the QS rankings... they merely took it from the people that do as it says at the top of the page... and a "world" ranking on "reputation" focused mainly on graduate work has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. So, in conclusion, you're a troll. Or you're an idiot. And looking at your post history... I'm really not sure which... but it's one of them.

 

[IrishLax]

I just went through this with a friend. Michigan has a great Medical School, is really good in some graduate sciences, has a well received law school, etc.

QS World University Rankings.
US - University of Michigan

World Rank: 17


Score / Rank

World Rank 91.17 17
Academic Reputation 99.8 17
Employer Reputation 96.1 27
Faculty Student 92 63
Citations per Faculty 87.3 54
International Faculty 50.6 234
International Students 46.5 258

Again... and really not to be a d*ck here Bogs... but no one has ever said that Michigan doesn't have elite graduate programs. This QS bullsh*t has absolutely zero correlation whatsoever to:
1. Undergrad
2. Real life in the United States

The ranking weights international students (????) and international faculty (??????) as if they have any bearing on quality of education. It then takes an international straw poll on "reputation" among employers/academics... so basically, I reject the premise that a CEO in India or professor in Korea knows anything about undergraduate instruction or the quality of undergraduate students at Notre Dame vs. Michigan.

This is a ranking of overall graduate program "reputation" which is worthless or flawed in its own right. But obviously, the schools with large engineering/science research programs and medical schools will be at or near the top (in large part because those are quite international). Notre Dame... which doesn't even have a medical school because of Indiana law and is a small, parochial school focused on undergraduate education... won't even pop up on the radar of a "global" survey like this.

But the worst part is that I'm sure Michigan is showing this piece of crap out of context "ranking" to recruits and the like to demonstrate how Michigan is the "best school in the world" or something like that. And they all probably buy it hook, line, and sinker. And then will get funneled into joke majors with worthless degrees where a large chunk won't even graduate. It's both sad and pathetic.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

So, in conclusion, you're a troll. Or you're an idiot. And looking at your post history... I'm really not sure which... but it's one of them.

This thread is troll bait. Wolverine1997 made his final stand here.

But the worst part is that I'm sure Michigan is showing this piece of crap out of context "ranking" to recruits and the like to demonstrate how Michigan is the "best school in the world" or something like that. And they all probably buy it hook, line, and sinker. And then will get funneled into joke majors with worthless degrees where a large chunk won't even graduate. It's both sad and pathetic.

Mildly infuriating.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Again... and really not to be a d*ck here Bogs... but no one has ever said that Michigan doesn't have elite graduate programs. This QS bullsh*t has absolutely zero correlation whatsoever to:
1. Undergrad
2. Real life in the United States

The ranking weights international students (????) and international faculty (??????) as if they have any bearing on quality of education. It then takes an international straw poll on "reputation" among employers/academics... so basically, I reject the premise that a CEO in India or professor in Korea knows anything about undergraduate instruction or the quality of undergraduate students at Notre Dame vs. Michigan.

This is a ranking of overall graduate program "reputation" which is worthless or flawed in its own right. But obviously, the schools with large engineering/science research programs and medical schools will be at or near the top (in large part because those are quite international). Notre Dame... which doesn't even have a medical school because of Indiana law and is a small, parochial school focused on undergraduate education... won't even pop up on the radar of a "global" survey like this.

But the worst part is that I'm sure Michigan is showing this piece of crap out of context "ranking" to recruits and the like to demonstrate how Michigan is the "best school in the world" or something like that. And they all probably buy it hook, line, and sinker. And then will get funneled into joke majors with worthless degrees where a large chunk won't even graduate. It's both sad and pathetic.

You are not being a dick. Not even an a$$hat. I agree with your exact point. Two weeks or so ago this is what they threw in my face. I agree with you. The whole point I have heard among ND fans is there is a great disparity between the way you view your university and your football players are treated. We on the same page, bro!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

This thread is troll bait. Wolverine1997 made his final stand here.



Mildly infuriating.

Is it to soon to start the "Does Denard Suck?" debate again? LOL!

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[STLDomer]

Jon Runyan Jr. was just offered by Michigan, sounds like he is going to commit too (shocker). He's class of 2015.

 

[Rack Em]

I can't stand stuff like this. It's meaningless if you don't include private schools and if your metric for measuring athletic prowess is 'total athletic expenses'! What a ****ing joke.

A meat chicken grad that I know posted this on facebook last night and I pointed out to her that private schools weren't included - and that surely ND and Stanford would make the list.

Crickets...

The Most Academically And Athletically Dominant Colleges In America

 

[nsideirish]

I can't stand stuff like this. It's meaningless if you don't include private schools and if your metric for measuring athletic prowess is 'total athletic expenses'! What a ****ing joke.

A meat chicken grad that I know posted this on facebook last night and I pointed out to her that private schools weren't included - and that surely ND and Stanford would make the list.

Crickets...

The Most Academically And Athletically Dominant Colleges In America

Not to mention USC and Duke.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

When did dshans get a Twitter account?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>"Dominate" is a verb. MT <a href="https://twitter.com/ShaneMorris_7">@ShaneMorris_7</a> Michigan named Most Academically and Athletically Dominate School in America <a href="http://t.co/DVOxhTP52o">pic.twitter.com/DVOxhTP52o</a></p>— Michiana Comedy (@michianacomedy) <a href="https://twitter.com/michianacomedy/statuses/348127254586470401">June 21, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Emcee77]

Hahaha. Nice work, dshans/Michiana Comedy.

For real though. That's definitely one of my Internet pet peeves.

 

[greyhammer90]

Normally wouldn't be funny but since it's Michigan...

 

[WestCoast]

When Michigan lands a recruit, does Hoke say "yabba dabba do?"

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

When Michigan lands a recruit, does Hoke say "yabba dabba do?"

Slight de-railing.. BUT MUST WATCH

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[dshans]

When did dshans get a Twitter account?

We had some pretty violent storms with high winds last night, but I don't THINK I got blown to Michiana.