2018 Fall Camp Thread

[Irish Insanity]

I think you guys are in for an unpleasant surprise on Sept 1st.

Let's hope I'm the idiot and I'm in for a pleasant surprise.

I'm not agreeing, or disagreeing. My question to you is, what has Michigan proven leading into this game that we haven't?

First genuine worry I've had since this whole thing started. BK being asked simply "Is Brandon your guy?" and then going on a 1:30 rant about strengths and weaknesses for both QBs makes me have a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.

So.....is he genuinely torn between the two, or does he just want to answer without actually answering to keep Michigan more in the dark?

 

[Irish YJ]

I'm not agreeing, or disagreeing. My question to you is, what has Michigan proven leading into this game that we haven't?

That's the thing for me, they really haven't done anything against any team of stature. They lost to every decent to good team in the Big10 last year.

If they are pinning on their hopes on Patterson, game one on the road is not really the game to do so...

So.....is he genuinely torn between the two, or does he just want to answer without actually answering to keep Michigan more in the dark?

With only a week to go, you'd think he'd want to be emphatic to instill confidence in his #1 given the situation... that is if he had a number 1. IDK, I've thought we'd see two QBs this year for most of the off season. Nothing like a little mystery with one week to go!!

 

[arrowryan]

Realistic choices, or are we talking pie in the sky? I'll be honest, I haven't paid much attention to football, this year. I'll give it a shot, though.

Top two:

1. John Harbaugh - I think he would bring the right amount of gravitas and maturity.

2. Dino Babers - I realize he hasn't been bang-up at Syracuse, but I like what his lower-tier teams have accomplished. I also have to cheer for a Hawaii guy.

No and hell no

 

[NDohio]

BK doesn't seem too impressed with BW thus far according to the latest presser.

The WATCHND video won't load for me - that presser must have crashed the site.

 

[arrowryan]

Kelly's comment about Brandon/Ian last night was interesting and I'm not sure what to take away from it. He said that the offensive game plan is laid out to play to Brandon's strengths; if Wimbush has struggled throwing the ball, what exactly are his strengths besides running? Is it going to be a lot of 3 TE sets with running plays and short passes?

If BK was truly worried or concerned about the quarterback spot, I don't think he would've tipped his hand in a press conference. But what do I know? Whether they're ready or not, I'm ready for them to play the game. The speculation is getting old.

 

[arrowryan]

The WATCHND video won't load for me - that presser must have crashed the site.

People are concerned because Kelly went into an in depth answer on a question that was "Is Wimbush the guy?" or something like that.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly asked if Brandon Wimbush is still the guy or if Ian Book has closed the gap. Said game plan set to Wimbush’s strengths and “we’ll play them both if we need to.” Wimbush will start.</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1032754588066226176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly asked about Wimbush feeling pressure from Book: <br><br>"Brandon is not concerned if we felt Ian needed to play … he knows the skill set that Ian has and he can go in there and help us win too." <br><br>“I want to win the game. I know I’ve got two winners."</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1032756864306618368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[arrowryan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly asked about what he feels certain of right now:<br>1. Better offensive balance<br>2. Experience on defense<br>3. Confident in winning</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1032758143497977856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Kelly is confident in having more offensive balance. Having more offensive balance would almost have to mean that they're getting more production in the pass game. So does this mean BK's long, drawn out answer about Wimbush was a bunch of garbage?

 

[NDohio]

People are concerned because Kelly went into an in depth answer on a question that was "Is Wimbush the guy?" or something like that.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly asked if Brandon Wimbush is still the guy or if Ian Book has closed the gap. Said game plan set to Wimbush’s strengths and “we’ll play them both if we need to.” Wimbush will start.</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1032754588066226176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly asked about Wimbush feeling pressure from Book: <br><br>"Brandon is not concerned if we felt Ian needed to play … he knows the skill set that Ian has and he can go in there and help us win too." <br><br>“I want to win the game. I know I’ve got two winners."</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1032756864306618368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Thanks.

 

[Irish#1]

At the risk of ad nauseam, I will repeat myself. scUM brings back a lot of players on D and their numbers last were were impressive. However, those numbers were built on a schedule that was mostly teams with anemic offenses. The good O's they faced put up points.

This should be a defensive battle for the most part. Punters will probably play a significant role when it comes to field position. The difference in the game could very well come down to which QB has a better game.

Kelly probably doesn't want to name a starter to keep Jimmy from getting an advantage, but I would be shocked if BW isn't the starter. BW starts and if he's playing well Book won't see the field until maybe a series later in the first half. If BW is playing lights out, Book probably won't see the field in the game unless we are winning big.

 

[koonja]

I think BK answers each question independently, and trying to find something to string them all together to one common thought/feeling doesn't work.

I actually felt fine with his comments. He realizes what Wimbush is and what he isn't. He's more confident in Ian Book than he was last year, and he wasn't afraid to put him in last year either. He knows what he has, and won't try to ask Wimbush to make all the passes.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

First genuine worry I've had since this whole thing started. BK being asked simply "Is Brandon your guy?" and then going on a 1:30 rant about strengths and weaknesses for both QBs makes me have a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.

It's no secret. Brandon has shown the tendency to get rattled at times. He's also shown the ability to bounce back. Kelly is setting the stage as needed. Wimbush hasn't taken the huge step forward as they had hoped so we should be strapped in and ready for split time.

I'm hoping it's like the Louisville team Petrino coached with Brohm. They nearly went down and beat Miami that year (2005ish?).

I still have faith in Kelly and this coaching staff. And I'm reminded that we have 3 high quality TEs to supplment our 6'4-6'5 WRs. Plus we have some shifty slot guys as well.

It can be cause for concern if Wimbush comes out looking like a deer in the headlights but if he comes out focused and on the attack, we'll be good. Plus, I'm a believer in Book when his number is called.

 

[snoopdog]

I actually have zero doubt about BW being ready and dialed in. This won’t be a repeat of the Miami game.

What it might be is a repeat of the Georgia game. Where the play calling was a little suspect.

If the play calling does infact reflect BW’s strength’s, I think ND does well offensively

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Coney, Bars, and Love would be my picks. Mustipher could start as well IMO but maybe would need to slide down one on the line. Yoon wins the kicking duties. TE is a push... I like Alize as a blocking TE but would take our catching TE's. I think Tillery would see valuable time and could push for a starting spot. Past that, I think Bama's position groupings are a bit better.

Who would start at Head Coach though, BK or NS?

 

[OhioIrish31]

At the risk of ad nauseam, I will repeat myself. scUM brings back a lot of players on D and their numbers last were were impressive. However, those numbers were built on a schedule that was mostly teams with anemic offenses. The good O's they faced put up points.

This should be a defensive battle for the most part. Punters will probably play a significant role when it comes to field position. The difference in the game could very well come down to which QB has a better game.

Kelly probably doesn't want to name a starter to keep Jimmy from getting an advantage, but I would be shocked if BW isn't the starter. BW starts and if he's playing well Book won't see the field until maybe a series later in the first half. If BW is playing lights out, Book probably won't see the field in the game unless we are winning big.

I think BW will start (and continue to play) the entire game...except if we go down by two scores. We become one dimensional at that point and it might as well be Book.

 

[NDRock]

Kelly is confident in having more offensive balance. Having more offensive balance would almost have to mean that they're getting more production in the pass game. So does this mean BK's long, drawn out answer about Wimbush was a bunch of garbage?

Or the run game will just be worse, making the offense more balanced overall.

 

[koonja]

Scouting Shea Patterson's Auburn and LSU game today.

I know this teaser will leave you guys antsy for my breakdown, but if you give me a few hours I'll feed you baby birds.

Stay tuned for my analysis.

 

[OhioIrish31]

Scouting Shea Patterson's Auburn and LSU game today.

I know this teaser will leave you guys antsy for my breakdown, but if you give me a few hours I'll feed you baby birds.

Stay tuned for my analysis.

Go get it Koon-Dog! I'll be pins and needles over here!

 

[condoms SUCk]

Scouting Shea Patterson's Auburn and LSU game today.

I know this teaser will leave you guys antsy for my breakdown, but if you give me a few hours I'll feed you baby birds.

Stay tuned for my analysis.

ohh good, can't wait

 

[koonja]

I can tell you guys are hungry so dropping this. LSU game to follow.

Ole Miss vs. Auburn “The Good”:
- Has excellent pocket awareness. He spins out of, avoids, or finds a way around pressure.
- Keeps eyes down field and is always scanning for open WRs.
- Great spiral, super quick release, especially on the short hitch routes.
- Lots of check down and quick passes, but he hits them in rhythm so they can get YAC.
- Reads the entire field. There are no blind spots.
- He’s in charge of the offense, and there’s no doubt about that. Has the leadership.
- He’s definitely mobile and has quick feet, but like I said, keeps his head down field.
- Auburn had a really good defense, and he wasn’t rattled.

Ole Miss vs. Auburn “The Bad”:
- Can’t hold it against him, but WR #1 is a stud, and Shea relied on him a lot. Probably would make the bod squad, but I can’t say for sure with his jersey on. He has a big body, reminds me of Dez Bryant.
- Also of note, his OL gave him a ton of time. I don’t think he’ll have that time at Michigan.
- He wasn’t accurate on the fades, or the sideline fly routes. I expected better accuracy down the field, and I didn’t see that in the first half.
- Not sure his arm is as strong as I expected.

Overall reaction – I’m not as worried about him as I was prior to watching this. He’s not a perfect QB, but a really good one that you need to get pressure and as importantly, contain. You cannot run past him when rushing.

Irish by 50.

 

[ulukinatme]

Wait, aren't you the self proclaimed "horrible film <strike>evaluater</strike> assessor?"

 

[ACamp1900]

Wait, aren't you the self proclaimed "horrible film <strike>evaluater</strike> assessor?"

 

[koonja]

Wait, aren't you the self proclaimed "horrible film <strike>evaluater</strike> assessor?"

This is the treatment you get for showing humility.

 

[koonja]

I can tell you guys are hungry so dropping this. LSU game to follow.

Ole Miss vs. Auburn “The Good”:
- Has excellent pocket awareness. He spins out of, avoids, or finds a way around pressure.
- Keeps eyes down field and is always scanning for open WRs.
- Great spiral, super quick release, especially on the short hitch routes.
- Lots of check down and quick passes, but he hits them in rhythm so they can get YAC.
- Reads the entire field. There are no blind spots.
- He’s in charge of the offense, and there’s no doubt about that. Has the leadership.
- He’s definitely mobile and has quick feet, but like I said, keeps his head down field.
- Auburn had a really good defense, and he wasn’t rattled.

Ole Miss vs. Auburn “The Bad”:
- Can’t hold it against him, but WR #1 is a stud, and Shea relied on him a lot. Probably would make the bod squad, but I can’t say for sure with his jersey on. He has a big body, reminds me of Dez Bryant.
- Also of note, his OL gave him a ton of time. I don’t think he’ll have that time at Michigan.
- He wasn’t accurate on the fades, or the sideline fly routes. I expected better accuracy down the field, and I didn’t see that in the first half.
- Not sure his arm is as strong as I expected.

Overall reaction – I’m not as worried about him as I was prior to watching this. He’s not a perfect QB, but a really good one that you need to get pressure and as importantly, contain. You cannot run past him when rushing.

Irish by 50.

LSU Update:

Same as Auburn, but I'll add he wears a necklace. I don't like him.

Irish by 100.

 

[RDU Irish]

So while everyone wants to give Wimbush credit for his running nobody seems to mention a QB taking all those hits is more likely to be dinged up by mid-season and increase the importance of a capable #2 (that is second string QB, not pile of Michigan).

Lax says he was hurt which hurt is production - well if you want to run it a dozen plus times per game you gonna need to figure that out - or understand we throwing the Book at them when your bell gets rung.

A lot of what BK was saying made sense to me in context that it is Wimbush's job and the won't hesitate to pull him if he struggles or takes a few hits. Win first, worry about your QB's ego later.

 

[condoms SUCk]

LSU Update:

Same as Auburn, but I'll add he wears a necklace. I don't like him.

Irish by 100.

Thanks for the recaps.
I am not expecting him to be all out of this world. He will make plays with his feet but I know he is also prone to mistakes, and that is in a simple half read offense.
Pro style is an all together different beast and with this being his first game I expect him to have a few mistakes. Those will not necessarily translate into INT's, but missed reads, bad throws, things like that.

 

[koonja]

Thanks for the recaps.
I am not expecting him to be all out of this world. He will make plays with his feet but I know he is also prone to mistakes, and that is in a simple half read offense.
Pro style is an all together different beast and with this being his first game I expect him to have a few mistakes. Those will not necessarily translate into INT's, but missed reads, bad throws, things like that.

He reminded me a lot of Baker Mayfield, but without the down field accuracy, and slightly less play making ability. If Baker is an "A+" at play making, Patterson is an "A-".

You can tell it's a simple offense, many of his throws are within 12 yards of the LOS.

 

[Irish Insanity]

He reminded me a lot of Baker Mayfield, but without the down field accuracy, and slightly less play making ability. If Baker is an "A+" at play making, Patterson is an "A-".

You can tell it's a simple offense, many of his throws are within 12 yards of the LOS.

If Patterson is a poor man's Mayfield we lose by 17.

 

[Rack Em]

He reminded me a lot of Baker Mayfield, but without the down field accuracy, and slightly less play making ability. If Baker is an "A+" at play making, Patterson is an "A-".

You can tell it's a simple offense, many of his throws are within 12 yards of the LOS.

So, like, a rich man's Tate Forcier?

 

[greyhammer90]

Speaking of twelve yards or under, I hope they try that underneath crap all day. Love has shown he's got pretty solid ballhawk instincts when an offense keeps trying to be cute.

 

[koonja]

Speaking of twelve yards or under, I hope they try that underneath crap all day. Love has shown he's got pretty solid ballhawk instincts when an offense keeps trying to be cute.

It's going to be interesting to see what they do. The offense I watched in the 1st half of both the games I mentioned doesn't worry me. It was really dink and dunk, and when he went down field, it wasn't good results (granted, both LSU and Auburn had fantastic DBs).

But the shot gun RPO isn't Jim's thing, and I think if he runs what he typically does, that's not Shea's forte (based on what I saw).

So I'm feeling kind of good?