2018 Fall Camp Thread

[ACamp1900]

So I'm feeling kind of good?

Well shit... do I have to starting harping on how we are going 7-5 now???

 

[koonja]

Well shit... do I have to starting harping on how we are going 7-5 now???

Oh we're still going to get hammered. But I think we'll lose by 10 rather than 25. It'll be a cute, respectable loss.

 

[ulukinatme]

It's going to be interesting to see what they do. The offense I watched in the 1st half of both the games I mentioned doesn't worry me. It was really dink and dunk, and when he went down field, it wasn't good results (granted, both LSU and Auburn had fantastic DBs).

But the shot gun RPO isn't Jim's thing, and I think if he runs what he typically does, that's not Shea's forte (based on what I saw).

So I'm feeling kind of good?

 

[T Town Tommy]

I can tell you guys are hungry so dropping this. LSU game to follow.

Ole Miss vs. Auburn “The Good”:
- Has excellent pocket awareness. He spins out of, avoids, or finds a way around pressure.
- Keeps eyes down field and is always scanning for open WRs.
- Great spiral, super quick release, especially on the short hitch routes.
- Lots of check down and quick passes, but he hits them in rhythm so they can get YAC.
- Reads the entire field. There are no blind spots.
- He’s in charge of the offense, and there’s no doubt about that. Has the leadership.
- He’s definitely mobile and has quick feet, but like I said, keeps his head down field.
- Auburn had a really good defense, and he wasn’t rattled.

Ole Miss vs. Auburn “The Bad”:
- Can’t hold it against him, but WR #1 is a stud, and Shea relied on him a lot. Probably would make the bod squad, but I can’t say for sure with his jersey on. He has a big body, reminds me of Dez Bryant.
- Also of note, his OL gave him a ton of time. I don’t think he’ll have that time at Michigan.
- He wasn’t accurate on the fades, or the sideline fly routes. I expected better accuracy down the field, and I didn’t see that in the first half.
- Not sure his arm is as strong as I expected.

Overall reaction – I’m not as worried about him as I was prior to watching this. He’s not a perfect QB, but a really good one that you need to get pressure and as importantly, contain. You cannot run past him when rushing.

Irish by 50.

Your "The Good" assessment makes Patterson out to be a top 10 pick in the draft. Not saying he can't be at some point but he isn't there yet. He has shown the potential to be really good. But he has also shown the potential to be really bad.

It all starts with pressure. And that's where Patterson is the weakest. Enough pressure and maintaining your gaps and Patterson becomes average. And he doesn't have AJ Brown to throw to at Michigan. I do think Taric Black can be good at WR but he isn't Brown just yet. I want to see just how aggressive Lea will be on defense.

 

[koonja]

Your "The Good" assessment makes Patterson out to be a top 10 pick in the draft. Not saying he can't be at some point but he isn't there yet. He has shown the potential to be really good. But he has also shown the potential to be really bad.

It all starts with pressure. And that's where Patterson is the weakest. Enough pressure and maintaining your gaps and Patterson becomes average. And he doesn't have AJ Brown to throw to at Michigan. I do think Taric Black can be good at WR but he isn't Brown just yet. I want to see just how aggressive Lea will be on defense.

He doesn't appear to have the strongest arm, is only 6'2", and struggled with accuracy on 25+ yard passes. That won't make him a top pick IMO. But he has the "it", the awareness, and the quick decision/accuracy to carve up a CFB team.

 

[T Town Tommy]

He doesn't appear to have the strongest arm, is only 6'2", and struggled with accuracy on 25+ yard passes. That won't make him a top pick IMO. But he has the "it", the awareness, and the quick decision/accuracy to carve up a CFB team.

Well then ND is doomed since he has the "It" factor.

Look, I think Patterson can beat you if you let him camp out in the pocket. But until he shows he can beat a good team- and he hasn't yet - I will hold off on anointing him the savior of Ann Arbor. Notre Dame will be aggressive enough on defense to hold him at bay... and hopefully his field vision isn't looking down the middle of the field. That's the one area I am concerned for the Irish. But if - and it's a big if - the safeties for ND can step up, I believe Michigan will have trouble putting the ball in the end zone enough to walk out of South Bend with a win.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I'm going to laugh when Brandon comes out Heisman-esque.

 

[Irish#1]

He reminded me a lot of Baker Mayfield, but without the down field accuracy, and slightly less play making ability. If Baker is an "A+" at play making, Patterson is an "A-".

You can tell it's a simple offense, many of his throws are within 12 yards of the LOS.

So basically he doesn't remind you of Baker Mayfield.

 

[Irish#1]

He doesn't appear to have the strongest arm, is only 6'2", and struggled with accuracy on 25+ yard passes. That won't make him a top pick IMO. But he has the "it", the awareness, and the quick decision/accuracy to carve up a CFB team.

Information Technology?

 

[koonja]

So basically he doesn't remind you of Baker Mayfield.

He does. Same size, both active feet in the pocket, both keep eyes down field, both you can see the leadership in, both are extremely slippery, both are very accurate.

Baker's just more accurate downfield based on what I saw, and has a stronger arm. That doesn't mean Shea has a Tommy Rees are. Shea has a really good arm. But it's not great.

 

[Luckylucci]

He doesn't appear to have the strongest arm, is only 6'2", and struggled with accuracy on 25+ yard passes. That won't make him a top pick IMO. But he has the "it", the awareness, and the quick decision/accuracy to carve up a CFB team.

Again, against Power 5 teams, he has a 14 TD passes to 11 INT's. That is TERRIBLE.

 

[koonja]

Again, against Power 5 teams, he has a 14 TD passes to 11 INT's. That is TERRIBLE.

Well then he's terrible and clearly doesn't have it.

Irish by 200.

 

[ACamp1900]

Again, against Power 5 teams, he has a 14 TD passes to 11 INT's. That is TERRIBLE.

but what were his rushing totals???

 

[Luckylucci]

Well then he's terrible and clearly doesn't have it.

Irish by 200.

There's a difference, I don't think he's terrible. But you said you got all this from watching film. There is nothing on film that shows he's an A- to Baker's A+. At least not yet. So far, what he's done, is not good QB play. That's just what it is. I expect he'll get better.

 

[zelezo vlk]

but what were his rushing totals???

How many flags has he planted at the 50?

 

[arrowryan]

How many flags has he planted at the 50?

How many jerking off motions has he made with his hands?

 

[ACamp1900]

How many flags has he planted at the 50?

Baker did that shit so hard it apparently gave Urban Meyer memory loss....

 

[RDU Irish]

Well then ND is doomed since he has the "It" factor.

Look, I think Patterson can beat you if you let him camp out in the pocket. But until he shows he can beat a good team- and he hasn't yet - I will hold off on anointing him the savior of Ann Arbor. Notre Dame will be aggressive enough on defense to hold him at bay... and hopefully his field vision isn't looking down the middle of the field. That's the one area I am concerned for the Irish. But if - and it's a big if - the safeties for ND can step up, I believe Michigan will have trouble putting the ball in the end zone enough to walk out of South Bend with a win.

Let's be clear - Ann Arbor is a leprous whore so until some Joseph Smith wannabe brings Jesus to town I don't see her toothless skank ass being saved.

For the record, the kid is named after butter so I expect to win the TO battle.

 

[Luckylucci]

but what were his rushing totals???

Well since you asked, he was absolutely terrible when trying to run off the RPO last year. He was much better as a freshman. Not sure what the takeaway from that is. He's got good pocket mobility to extend plays but he's not going to beat you with his feet. Good enough to pick up a first down on a broken play.

 

[koonja]

There's a difference, I don't think he's terrible. But you said you got all this from watching film. There is nothing on film that shows he's an A- to Baker's A+. At least not yet. So far, what he's done, is not good QB play. That's just what it is. I expect he'll get better.

I watched the first 2 halves of these games. In that, he showed he's in charge, not rattled, and has field awareness that I'd take every single year for the rest of time if I were an Irish fan.

Defining "it" is different for everyone. But I saw a guy who has confidence, knows he's in charge, and I'd believe in as a teammate.

I didn't see all 10 interceptions. But the ones I did, he bounces back from on the next play. He doesn't get shook.
There's no deer in the headlights for him. He kills the deer.

 

[tko]

TAKE A LAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Luckylucci]

I watched the first 2 halves of these games. In that, he showed he's in charge, not rattled, and has field awareness that I'd take every single year for the rest of time if I were an Irish fan.

Defining "it" is different for everyone. But I saw a guy who has confidence, knows he's in charge, and I'd believe in as a teammate.

There's no deer in the headlights for him. He kills the deer.

Well, against Power 5 teams, he's the deer that gets killed....... Or does he throw it to the deer, instead of the WR....... Not quite sure, but it certainly wasn't very good.

 

[ulukinatme]

Baker did that shit so hard it apparently gave Urban Meyer memory loss....

Someone rep this man.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

BK comments seem like a little gamesmanship to be honest. Harbaugh doesn’t open up practices, so he’s giving them something extra to prepare for. I think Wimbush is going to be a stud this year. And I said all last year, I love Books ownership and decisiveness in the offense. I think the mere size of our targets is enough to get any QBs completion percentage around 60.

 

[SoIll]

So while everyone wants to give Wimbush credit for his running nobody seems to mention a QB taking all those hits is more likely to be dinged up by mid-season and increase the importance of a capable #2 (that is second string QB, not pile of Michigan).

Lax says he was hurt which hurt is production - well if you want to run it a dozen plus times per game you gonna need to figure that out - or understand we throwing the Book at them when your bell gets rung.

A lot of what BK was saying made sense to me in context that it is Wimbush's job and the won't hesitate to pull him if he struggles or takes a few hits. Win first, worry about your QB's ego later.

LAX also said he was going to be the next Marcus Mariota.

 

[ACamp1900]

Well since you asked, he was absolutely terrible when trying to run off the RPO last year. He was much better as a freshman. Not sure what the takeaway from that is. He's got good pocket mobility to extend plays but he's not going to beat you with his feet. Good enough to pick up a first down on a broken play.

sure but what were his passing totals??

 

[koonja]

sure but what were his passing totals??

Who cares!? The man wears a necklace while playing.

Michigan by 60.

 

[Luckylucci]

BK comments seem like a little gamesmanship to be honest. Harbaugh doesn’t open up practices, so he’s giving them something extra to prepare for. I think Wimbush is going to be a stud this year. And I said all last year, I love Books ownership and decisiveness in the offense. I think the mere size of our targets is enough to get any QBs completion percentage around 60.

Could be, but I think BK was explaining that a healthy QB rotation is certainly on the table. It's worked before (2012) and it failed miserably (2016). Seemingly, you'd think he'd understand where it went right and wrong. At this point, I will not be surprised if we see a similar scenario where Wimbush will be consistently rolled out and Book will be called upon if needed.

Granted, a perfect world, Wimbush just runs with this thing from the first snap. But I'm starting to think that presser was about preparing people for the above. And I get it. It's incredibly hard to permanently bench a player like Wimbush that can absolutely change games by himself.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Could be, but I think BK was explaining that a healthy QB rotation is certainly on the table. It's worked before (2012) and it failed miserably (2016). Seemingly, you'd think he'd understand where it went right and wrong. At this point, I will not be surprised if we see a similar scenario where Wimbush will be consistently rolled out and Book will be called upon if needed.

Granted, a perfect world, Wimbush just runs with this thing from the first snap. But I'm starting to think that presser was about preparing people for the above. And I get it. It's incredibly hard to permanently bench a player like Wimbush that can absolutely change games by himself.

He does understand this.

He mentioned that in the presser that they have ran two QBs well (assuming, 2012). He also said 2016 was a mess because the two QBs were "too similar". That's the big thing imo. If you're going to play two of them, they better play off each other well... This is more Everett/Tommy than Deshone/Malik. (On paper, it's better than 2012, because I believe each QB is better this year, and Brandon is a way better rusher)

 

[IrishLion]

He kills the deer*.

*Meaning he turns the ball over and loses the game when he plays a defense with a pulse.

(For the record, I know he’s capable of being an elite QB. Maybe playing in Harbaugh’s offense will solve his turnover issues. But for now, I’d take Wimbush because he’s shown he can use his best traits to beat good teams. Patterson’s best traits haven’t shown up in a win over a good team yet.)