2018 Fall Camp Thread

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

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ISD won't embed:
https://irishsportsdaily.com/s/6906/isd-video-nd-practice-8-15-2018

Umm.. the last 30 seconds had 3TE formations.

 

[Luckylucci]

Koon, I think you are overstating their praise for Book. He's been what they expected for the most part. An accurate QB that they believe can do the job but lacks the upside. At no point have they said he's "won" the job. At least not that I've seen.

They all agreed on the podcast that they wouldn't be making any rushed judgments to put Book in over Wimbush at this point. Jamie specifically mentioned that it was an overreaction on the board to abandon ship, so to speak. So, yea, if Wimbush played like he did on Saturday for the next 3 weeks, then Book is the guy. That's common sense. But not to make that assessment after just last Saturday.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Totally agree. Pete Sampson is a scam, the new Loy. Wimbush had 3 INTs, and Book went 8 for 10. How is Wimbush not listed as a stand out!?

Also, Mike, Matt, and Jamie have praised Book's accuracy and consistency in every report I've read.

But agendas, and all - hot take that.

Good one. From Matt Freeman's practice observations:

Observations

- Quarterback Brandon Wimbush was much better on Wednesday and made some big-time throws. He did throw a bad INT to Shayne Simon in 7-on-7 but was also incredibly sharp in the red zone as he went three-for-three with three touchdowns. Wimbush did also throw an INT in 1-on-1s to Alohi Gilman in the red zone, and it was an impressive break by Gilman.


https://irishsportsdaily.com/s/6907/freemans-practice-observations-815

 

[dad4aa]

Umm.. the last 30 seconds had 3TE formations.

That’s something I like to see!!

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Thanks for getting my back, everyone. I only engage in hopes that he will see past his egocentrism, but it fails. I promise to the rest of the posters here that I'll abstain from getting into arguments with him. Sorry to take away from the thread.

Back on topic,

Does anyone know how today's "media day" is being covered? Seems like radio silence since Kelly's presser. All I've heard that is assistants and players will be available "later".

 

[Irish#1]

I KNOW that Book's camp has been fine. (numerous reporters have also said that Brandon is the guy, and should be the guy).

Pete is not saying that Book should start because he's "that good." He's implying (and misleading readers) that Brandon is struggling that mightily.

He is purposefully stirring the pot. Period. No one else has taken it as far as he has.

No, he's not. Literally Jamie's report from Saturday says if it keeps up like it has, it's going to be hard to imagine Brandon starting vs. Michigan.

This "it's Pete pumping Book and putting Wimbush down" is a flat out ignorant lie.

I'm sorry you don't have access to ISD, but either get it or stop talking like you know what they're saying.

This little back and forth banter brought a little tear to my eye as it stirred fond memories of Koon and Wooly's love/hate relationship.

 

[ulukinatme]

Koon, I think you are overstating their praise for Book. He's been what they expected for the most part. An accurate QB that they believe can do the job but lacks the upside. At no point have they said he's "won" the job. At least not that I've seen.

They all agreed on the podcast that they wouldn't be making any rushed judgments to put Book in over Wimbush at this point. Jamie specifically mentioned that it was an overreaction on the board to abandon ship, so to speak. So, yea, if Wimbush played like he did on Saturday for the next 3 weeks, then Book is the guy. That's common sense. But not to make that assessment after just last Saturday.

I don't have ISD so I can't comment on that, but I'm curious if the upside is worth the inconsistency. It's great if BW can consistently deliver the ball, but I'm not sure we've seen that from him yet and it's worrisome. I would rather have a consistent Book that doesn't have as much upside than a BW that trades consistency in the passing game for a better running game. We've already seen what the later can get us, an unbalanced attack that defenses can exploit by loading the box. Balance makes us better suited to keep defenses honest.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I don't have ISD so I can't comment on that, but I'm curious if the upside is worth the inconsistency. It's great if BW can consistently deliver the ball, but I'm not sure we've seen that from him yet and it's worrisome. I would rather have a consistent Book that doesn't have as much upside than a BW that trades consistency in the passing game for a better running game. We've already seen what the later can get us, an unbalanced attack that defenses can exploit by loading the box. Balance makes us better suited to keep defenses honest.

I would have taken Everett Golson over Tommy Rees any day of the week. Golson was dynamic enough to start us out 7-0 and we had FSU on the brink. Then we saw the other side of the equation with Golson the rest of the way. He had his ups and downs.

With Rees, we knew what we had. An 8-9 win football team, max. He was good, not great, not dynamic enough to play against Oklahoma or in Tallahassee and expect to win. At least with Golson, if he played well, we knew we had a better shot.

I think you have the same thing here. If Wimbush plays well, with his athletic upside, we have the ability to be dynamic. If Book plays, I don't think we have the offensive fire power to expect a playoff caliber team.

I'll take the riskier option with the higher ceiling every time. We are shooting for the playoffs, after all, not a consistent 9 win regular season.

Our defense will be stout, and with defenses having to respect Wimbush's legs, he will have opportunities to beat teams with his arm. Let's give him that chance, and let's explore that higher ceiling, before we talk about how great our backup QB is (like ND fans typically do), and call for the hook.

Just one man's opinion.

 

[OhioIrish31]

I think our running game goes in the tank if BW isn't on the field. However, down two scores in the second half...bring in Book. I think this will happen at some point this year.

 

[Wild Bill]

I don't have ISD so I can't comment on that, but I'm curious if the upside is worth the inconsistency. It's great if BW can consistently deliver the ball, but I'm not sure we've seen that from him yet and it's worrisome. I would rather have a consistent Book that doesn't have as much upside than a BW that trades consistency in the passing game for a better running game. We've already seen what the later can get us, an unbalanced attack that defenses can exploit by loading the box. Balance makes us better suited to keep defenses honest.

Wimbush red zone efficiency is a hell of a drug.

 

[NDRock]

I would have taken Everett Golson over Tommy Rees any day of the week. Golson was dynamic enough to start us out 7-0 and we had FSU on the brink. Then we saw the other side of the equation with Golson the rest of the way. He had his ups and downs.

With Rees, we knew what we had. An 8-9 win football team, max. He was good, not great, not dynamic enough to play against Oklahoma or in Tallahassee and expect to win. At least with Golson, if he played well, we knew we had a better shot.

I think you have the same thing here. If Wimbush plays well, with his athletic upside, we have the ability to be dynamic. If Book plays, I don't think we have the offensive fire power to expect a playoff caliber team.

I'll take the riskier option with the higher ceiling every time. We are shooting for the playoffs, after all, not a consistent 9 win regular season.

Our defense will be stout, and with defenses having to respect Wimbush's legs, he will have opportunities to beat teams with his arm. Let's give him that chance, and let's explore that higher ceiling, before we talk about how great our backup QB is (like ND fans typically do), and call for the hook.

Just one man's opinion.

Agree with this. Think we need dynamic play from the QB position to make the playoffs. BW gives us that chance. I'm just hoping that BW's lows aren't as low as last year.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I would have taken Everett Golson over Tommy Rees any day of the week. Golson was dynamic enough to start us out 7-0 and we had FSU on the brink. Then we saw the other side of the equation with Golson the rest of the way. He had his ups and downs.

With Rees, we knew what we had. An 8-9 win football team, max. He was good, not great, not dynamic enough to play against Oklahoma or in Tallahassee and expect to win. At least with Golson, if he played well, we knew we had a better shot.

I think you have the same thing here. If Wimbush plays well, with his athletic upside, we have the ability to be dynamic. If Book plays, I don't think we have the offensive fire power to expect a playoff caliber team.

I'll take the riskier option with the higher ceiling every time. We are shooting for the playoffs, after all, not a consistent 9 win regular season.

Our defense will be stout, and with defenses having to respect Wimbush's legs, he will have opportunities to beat teams with his arm. Let's give him that chance, and let's explore that higher ceiling, before we talk about how great our backup QB is (like ND fans typically do), and call for the hook.

Just one man's opinion.

I do think that Book is better than Rees.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I do think that Book is better than Rees.

For sure, no doubt about that. But, I think the comparison is still in the same ball park.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Against all sense, I'll enter an opinion to say: with Tommy, yes, we could win 9 games if the rest of the team played well. With Ian --- a MUCH BETTER RUNNER than Tommy --- the QB take off and get a 1st down run is seriously in play (Tommy refused to run even if no one else was back on the field), and that "9-game Rees ceiling" is blown off. If the rest of our team plays well, ND could win any game.

So it's not Tommy vs Brandon (9 games max vs fantasy undefeated) but it's Ian (fantasy undefeated vs fantasy undefeated --- 9 game floor vs ?8? game floor, or utter collapse in the clutch.) Also, it's not so much statistical incompletion percentage as "bad QB play which STOPS drives." Drive-stopping is what makes a difference. Some of us are nervous about Brandon going ***** AA vs somebody and then ** vs another and a loss --- combined statistics great, but 1-1 on W/L. Ian seems (may not be true) less erratic and therefore less liable for the ** loss, albeit less probable for the "personal" ***** showing in a win. He's plenty capable of a **** winner though (including running contributions.)

I "think" I'd be more relaxed with Ian because I wouldn't worry as much about the utterly unexpected really bad drive-stopping play ( I don't mean the occasional interception; I mean the "WTF" play that we've seen)... but I've not seen enough of Ian yet, nor the allegedly new-improved Brandon. People talk about the added threat of Brandon running options --- boy, I don't know. Brandon rarely looked comfortable to me making these decisions. What he's great at is scrambling --- options? I don't think that he got even 50/50 of our infamous read option plays correct last season. It was like coin-flipping.

Anyway --- amateur opinions.

 

[ulukinatme]

For all the knocks on Rees, he's still the winningest ND Quarterback since the 90s, and this is despite the fact our defenses were lackluster in seasons that weren't 2012. Bow down before Reesus.

 

[ACamp1900]

For all the knocks on Rees, he's still the winningest ND Quarterback since the 90s,...

How the mighty have fallen....

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

This "media day" doesn't seem very media-y.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

How the mighty have fallen....

The guy played in 47 games. Notre Dame may not have a quarterback reach that mark again in my lifetime.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

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[ACamp1900]

The guy played in 47 games. Notre Dame may not have a quarterback reach that mark again in my lifetime.

point. still. stands.

lol

 

[Luckylucci]

Wimbush red zone efficiency is a hell of a drug.

One reason why the staff might not be as eager to pull the trigger as some fans might be.

 

[greyhammer90]

Idk if Chip Long is a great coach, I'll leave that to better minds, but I really like the dude when I hear him speak.

 

[IrishLax]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watch and learn: What Notre Dame showed in its final open practice as Ian Book and Brandon Wimbush both flashed. <a href="https://t.co/G4WpWBSmp5">https://t.co/G4WpWBSmp5</a></p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1029852232857071617?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watch and learn: What Notre Dame showed in its final open practice as Ian Book and Brandon Wimbush both flashed. <a href="https://t.co/G4WpWBSmp5">https://t.co/G4WpWBSmp5</a></p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1029852232857071617?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Burying Brandon's name?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

point. still. stands.

lol

Ha! Fair enough.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I still watch that beautiful throw and catch from Book to Boykin in the Citrus bowl to win the game.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Idk if Chip Long is a great coach, I'll leave that to better minds, but I really like the dude when I hear him speak.

He looked like a genius between September 16th and November 4th of last year. That 6 game stretch in the middle of last season was the most fun I've ever had watching ND football.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

He looked like a genius between September 16th and November 4th of last year. That 6 game stretch in the middle of last season was the most fun I've ever had watching ND football.

Amen. Got to give props to Harry and the boys, but damn, that was some great football.

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[Sea Turtle]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Kelly Bunch <a href="https://t.co/fBcHmowuBC">pic.twitter.com/fBcHmowuBC</a></p>— One Foot Down (@OneFootDown) <a href="https://twitter.com/OneFootDown/status/1029517397592616960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 14, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Anyone can make a bad throw now and then.

 

[NDdomer2]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watch and learn: What Notre Dame showed in its final open practice as Ian Book and Brandon Wimbush both flashed. <a href="https://t.co/G4WpWBSmp5">https://t.co/G4WpWBSmp5</a></p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1029852232857071617?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Y no Brandon and Ian?