2017 NFL Draft

[arrowryan]

So after watching highlights of about 10 pass rushers, I think Pittsburgh will have a chance to land a really good pass rusher or 2. A young pass rusher at OLB is probably their biggest need.

Derek Barnett (maybe?), Takk McKinley, Charles Harris, Dawaune Smoot, and Tim Williams (another maybe?) will all probably be taken in the 1st round.

There will be some very good pass rushers still available in the 2nd round: DeMarcus Walker, TJ Watt, Ryan Anderson, and Haason Reddick

I'd like to see them double dip and take Smoot (reminds me a lot of 2012 Tuitt) in the first and one of Walker, Watt, or Reddick in the second.

For those who don't know about Haason Reddick, he walked on at Temple as a defensive back and now he's got a chance to be one of the best pass rushers in this draft class. He had a very good game against Notre Dame for those who don't remember.

 

[ACamp1900]

If I'm the Browns, there is not a chance in hell that I'm taking a quarterback at #1. There is so much that can go wrong for the GM and HC if they draft a quarterback at #1 and he doesn't live up to expectations.

If Hue Jackson wants a head coaching job in 2018, he needs to take Myles Garrett or Jonathan Allen at #1 and a defensive back with his second 1st round pick. Hue Jackson absolutely cannot afford a 3-13 (or worse) season. If that happens, Cleveland will probably be looking for another head coach.

I would look at Brad Kaaya or Patrick Mahomes in the 2nd or 3rd round.

All this. All day.

Another option...

Draft Garrett get all you can in this draft to bolster the secondary and see if you can get NE to lower their price tag picks wise for Garoppolo... not expecting it but stranger shit has happened....

 

[GATTACA!]

All this. All day.

Another option...

Draft Garrett get all you can in this draft to bolster the secondary and see if you can get NE to lower their price tag picks wise for Garoppolo... not expecting it but stranger shit has happened....

I want no part of Garoppolo. I'd rather just stick with Kessler for a season and draft someone else in 2018. If Belichick thought he was a franchise QB he wouldn't be willing to trade him.

 

[dwshade]

So after watching highlights of about 10 pass rushers, I think Pittsburgh will have a chance to land a really good pass rusher or 2. A young pass rusher at OLB is probably their biggest need.

Derek Barnett (maybe?), Takk McKinley, Charles Harris, Dawaune Smoot, and Tim Williams (another maybe?) will all probably be taken in the 1st round.

There will be some very good pass rushers still available in the 2nd round: DeMarcus Walker, TJ Watt, Ryan Anderson, and Haason Reddick

I'd like to see them double dip and take Smoot (reminds me a lot of 2012 Tuitt) in the first and one of Walker, Watt, or Reddick in the second.

For those who don't know about Haason Reddick, he walked on at Temple as a defensive back and now he's got a chance to be one of the best pass rushers in this draft class. He had a very good game against Notre Dame for those who don't remember.

Tim Williams is going to fall out of first round. Bad game last night and he has issues. Ryan Anderson could climb into first round. Best player on Bama's defense last night. Smoot is most definitely not a first rounder. Thing about Steelers OLB's is it can't be just about rushing the passer. They also have to be big and strong enough to set the edge and play the run. A guy like Watt would be a little small. McKinley and Anderson would be my preferred choices for Steelers.

 

[dwshade]

Too bad we aren't discussing a college football draft, this is the NFL draft and what actually matters is how well these players translate to the next level. Kizer is the better mental and physical prospect contrary to the vaunted Gk eye test.

You know who else shredded Alabama twice? Johnny Manziel.

Here's the difference in the three QB's. Kizer is more advanced in running a true pro offense. ND's offense requires QB's to make full field reads whereas as Watson and Trubinsky played in much simpler offenses that only required half field reads. If you are talking about the best college QB right now that would be Watson. But at the next level Kizer has far greater upside. And this is not a homer opinion.

 

[arrowryan]

Tim Williams is going to fall out of first round. Bad game last night and he has issues. Ryan Anderson could climb into first round. Best player on Bama's defense last night. Smoot is most definitely not a first rounder. Thing about Steelers OLB's is it can't be just about rushing the passer. They also have to be big and strong enough to set the edge and play the run. A guy like Watt would be a little small. McKinley and Anderson would be my preferred choices for Steelers.

Wouldn't mind that at all. Interesting that you don't think Smoot could be a first round pick. I love his tape and have seen a few mock have him going in the late first. But if he's there in the second, I'll him then too

 

[dwshade]

Wouldn't mind that at all. Interesting that you don't think Smoot could be a first round pick. I love his tape and have seen a few mock have him going in the late first. But if he's there in the second, I'll him then too

Smoot's stock has dropped this year. Less productive than previous year. I question if he is strong enough to set the edge (rather lean body) and if he is strong enough to take on NFL tackles in pass rush. I think he's more of a 3rd round guy. A guy I'm interested in seeing more of is Taco Charlton. He played standing up at times for Michigan and I'm sure 3-4 teams are going to want to see him doing LB drills to see if he can possibly play OLB.

 

[arrowryan]

Smoot's stock has dropped this year. Less productive than previous year. I question if he is strong enough to set the edge (rather lean body) and if he is strong enough to take on NFL tackles in pass rush. I think he's more of a 3rd round guy. A guy I'm interested in seeing more of is Taco Charlton. He played standing up at times for Michigan and I'm sure 3-4 teams are going to want to see him doing LB drills to see if he can possibly play OLB.

I don't think Taco will be available. Give me Ryan Anderson

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Tim Williams is going to fall out of first round. Bad game last night and he has issues. Ryan Anderson could climb into first round. Best player on Bama's defense last night. Smoot is most definitely not a first rounder. Thing about Steelers OLB's is it can't be just about rushing the passer. They also have to be big and strong enough to set the edge and play the run. A guy like Watt would be a little small. McKinley and Anderson would be my preferred choices for Steelers.

You are crazy. Does t matter if Tim Williams had a bad game last night. No way he slips out of the top 15. And yes I'll make a wager on that.


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[dwshade]

You are crazy. Does t matter if Tim Williams had a bad game last night. No way he slips out of the top 15. And yes I'll make a wager on that.


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I'll take your money. Dude has off field issues and he completely disappears from too many games. He will continue to drop.

 

[NDohio]

Did you guys watch him shred Bama last night and this year? Idc what scheme your team runs or if you have an all star team, that's all I need to see. Use your eyes. You can find bad scouting reports about Aaron Rodgers if you look for them. Arguing Kizer is the better prospect is pure homerism.

Doesn't mean Kizer won't be the better player, but you don't draft him before Watson.

I am curious. You might be too young to have had the football knowledge you have now, but did you think the same thing about Vince Young after he led Texas to the National Title against the vaunted USC Trojans?

The fact that professional journalists that specify in the NFL draft are having the same discussion as we are shows that this is not homerism. Being down here in Tiger land I did watch a lot of Watson this year. There were games where not only was he inconsistent, but he was just plain bad. Kizer had his moments as well. That's why I believe their pro days/combine/interviews are going to be very, very important. My money is that Kizer excels in those events.

 

[gkIrish]

I am curious. You might be too young to have had the football knowledge you have now, but did you think the same thing about Vince Young after he led Texas to the National Title against the vaunted USC Trojans?

The fact that professional journalists that specify in the NFL draft are having the same discussion as we are shows that this is not homerism. Being down here in Tiger land I did watch a lot of Watson this year. There were games where not only was he inconsistent, but he was just plain bad. Kizer had his moments as well. That's why I believe their pro days/combine/interviews are going to be very, very important. My money is that Kizer excels in those events.

I did think Vince Young would be very successful. Most people did. Just because he wasn't doesn't mean he should not have been drafted where he was, or higher. Lots of players turn out to be busts. Maybe Watson will be too. But if I'm a GM I'm taking the guy that beat Bama twice and has all the leadership skills without any major flaws. We can disagree on whether he has major flaws.

I got involved in this whole thing because someone basically gave Kizer every category over Watson which is just absurd. I'm not trying to disparage Kizer. He's my guy.

 

[koonja]

This^^

Everyone remember when Watson started the season really poorly? That was because Clemson tried Oto open up the offense and have Watson make reads down the field. He can't do it. That's all he will he asked to do at the next level.

Kizer will be drafted higher than Watson how many vbucks you wanna put on it Koon?

50 Trillion say Watson goes before Kizer.

$?

 

[IrishLion]

Arguing Kizer is the better prospect is pure homerism.

Doesn't mean Kizer won't be the better player, but you don't draft him before Watson.

I don't think it is necessarily pure homerism, and I think you absolutely CAN argue that Kizer should be picked first.

Kizer took better care of the football in a more complex passing offense, and he can throw the deep ball with all the accuracy you need. Watson's deep passes are generally just heaved up with the hopes that Williams can run under it or win over the defender. Kizer, on the other hand, is able to drop the deep ball exactly where it needs to be.

Watson is tremendous, and I won't complain one bit if he's picked before Kizer. But Kizer has the prototypical size that Watson doesn't, Kizer has experience in a more pro-friendly offense, and he's got physical tools in terms of protecting/throwing the football that Watson doesn't quite meet.

Watson has traits that make him a better QB in some regards, including accuracy on short throws and the fact that he's got a track-record of showing up big when the lights are the brightest.

But to dismiss Kizer as if there's no argument and that it could only be made an argument because we are all homers is selling us short haha.

 

[GATTACA!]

$?

How about 5 trillion? This is my nest egg we're talking about.

Also if either gets injured the bet is canceled.

 

[woolybug25]

Gattaca trying save his vduckets for that bean shaped pool.

 

[koonja]

How about 5 trillion? This is my nest egg we're talking about.

Also if either gets injured the bet is canceled.

Or has a major off the field issue revealed. Deal?

5 trillion is good!

 

[woolybug25]

Or has a major off the field issue revealed. Deal?

5 trillion is good!

I'll take that bet too, koon.

 

[irishff1014]

Not trying to say that Watson isn't good be Cause he is but this has the Vince Young feel about it. He will do good for a about 2 years than fade.

 

[koonja]

I'll take that bet too, koon.

To be clear, you're betting 5 trillion that Kizer goes before Watson?

I'll double down on Watson... Same stipulation apply, injury/major off field issue revealed, and it's an auto wash.

 

[koonja]

To me, it's not so much that Watson is the next Dak Prescott, it's more that I think Kizer is overrated in a low-QB-talent-draft.

He's the perfect size, has a great arm, and can run. But he was wildly inaccurate on easy throws this year, missed seeing open receivers (allegedly - going by the post game comments) all year long, stayed in the pocket too long (and had really good pass protection all year), and simply sulked/looked disinterested and lead the team to a 4-8 record.

 

[woolybug25]

To be clear, you're betting 5 trillion that Kizer goes before Watson?

I'll double down on Watson... Same stipulation apply, injury/major off field issue revealed, and it's an auto wash.

Done

 

[GATTACA!]

Or has a major off the field issue revealed. Deal?

5 trillion is good!

Yeah I don't want a gas mask bong deciding this.

 

[greyhammer90]

Is "he can't throw" a major issue?

 

[NorthDakota]

To me, it's not so much that Watson is the next Dak Prescott, it's more that I think Kizer is overrated in a low-QB-talent-draft.

He's the perfect size, has a great arm, and can run. But he was wildly inaccurate on easy throws this year, missed seeing open receivers (allegedly - going by the post game comments) all year long, stayed in the pocket too long (and had really good pass protection all year), and simply sulked/looked disinterested and lead the team to a 4-8 record.

Is the second paragraph about Kizer or Jay Cutler lulz

 

[arrowryan]

With the combine coming up next month, draft prospects are going to be climbing up and down the boards. I usually create my annual "On The Clock" thread around the time of the combine. If you don't know what this is, it is where you can pick a team and do a whole draft with them. I think it is really fun and gives me a better idea of what I'm hoping my team will do in the draft.

Are you guys still interested in this? Or am I just making a thread for no reason? It usually starts up some great draft conversations.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'll take both Browns picks so GATT doesn't screw them up......

 

[GATTACA!]

I'll take both Browns picks so GATT doesn't screw them up......

Garrett/Kizer

 

[mgriff]

With the combine coming up next month, draft prospects are going to be climbing up and down the boards. I usually create my annual "On The Clock" thread around the time of the combine. If you don't know what this is, it is where you can pick a team and do a whole draft with them. I think it is really fun and gives me a better idea of what I'm hoping my team will do in the draft.

Are you guys still interested in this? Or am I just making a thread for no reason? It usually starts up some great draft conversations.

Fins up

 

[dang227]

Browns should take Garrett #1 and the top rated safety at #12. They desperately need playmakers on defense. They also have the worst Safeties in the NFL. Ed freaking Reynolds started the last half of the year. My only caveat is if one of the big three QB's is there at #12. I wouldn't be pissed if they took a flyer on one of them. I would also consider sending one of their #2's to NE for Garapolo and using the other one on OL.