I'm enjoying our debate, I just want you to know that I think it is a good lively discussion about a significant issue. I also want to make sure you know I wasn't trying to minimize the suicide rate issue I questioned earlier, as that is certainly huge, I just couldn't find your source until you pointed it out. By the way, thank you for your service. My brother in law is in the Army (25th ID, Ranger as well) and has done 2 deployments to Iraq and one to Afganistan, so I appreciate the sacrafice all of our veterans make.