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Cam didn't get signed but got some minicamp invites and will decide soon

sorry just saw he signed with the cowboys
 
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For all of you who like to flip out over stars, I thought that it would be interesting to see the Scout 5 stars from 2011 (Graduating senior class) and see how many heard their names called this weekend. (Yes, I know that some were called last year and some will be in college this year, but I found it interesting as I was looking through the list of "best players still available" and compared it to this list.)

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still cant believe thee GMen traded up for and actually grrabbed Landon Collins in the 2nd.
Love it!
really like the OO pick too.
would jave loved scherff but will now have to deal with him for the next decade oh well
 

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4 rounds down, Bears still haven't addressed safety or a pass rusher.

Instead... A RB that is poor in pass coverage and doesn't catch the ball out of the backfield well.

Cool.

This pick makes my ears smoke. WTF?

This from NFL.com - author obviously doesn't realize teams are also required to play defense:
"Ryan Pace knocked his first draft as general manager out of the park. Receiver Kevin White immediately replaces Brandon Marshall and gives the Bears a tall, speedy wideout to pair with Alshon Jeffery for years to come. White has stardom written all over him. Grabbing nose tackle Eddie Goldman in the second round fills a huge need as the Bears move to a 3-4. Tailback Jeremy Langford could extend the string John Fox and Adam Gase have had with uncovering productive runners late in the draft. -- Kevin Patra"


So La'el Collins, why not sign him as UFA? Or is he refusing to sign until cleared? Seems like the cash from any contract would go a long ways to paying your defense and teams should have no problem with a modest signing bonus and 3rd roundish upside for a chance to secure this guy.
 

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I know it's the bleacher report...but damn they have stanley going #1, jaylon like #7, then sheldon , KVR and COREY ROBINSON in the 1st round of next year..
 

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This pick makes my ears smoke. WTF?

This from NFL.com - author obviously doesn't realize teams are also required to play defense:
"Ryan Pace knocked his first draft as general manager out of the park. Receiver Kevin White immediately replaces Brandon Marshall and gives the Bears a tall, speedy wideout to pair with Alshon Jeffery for years to come. White has stardom written all over him. Grabbing nose tackle Eddie Goldman in the second round fills a huge need as the Bears move to a 3-4. Tailback Jeremy Langford could extend the string John Fox and Adam Gase have had with uncovering productive runners late in the draft. -- Kevin Patra"


So La'el Collins, why not sign him as UFA? Or is he refusing to sign until cleared? Seems like the cash from any contract would go a long ways to paying your defense and teams should have no problem with a modest signing bonus and 3rd roundish upside for a chance to secure this guy.

I think the NFL as a whole is in wait-and-see mode with Collins. If he is cleared, it will be an interesting courtship. There are rules capping what teams can give to UFAs so the only real issue would be what team he wants to be on. In that case you would think the Bears should be at the head of the pack since they have one decent-but-aging tackle and one poor tackle in the starting lineup.
 

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I know it's the bleacher report...but damn they have stanley going #1, jaylon like #7, then sheldon , KVR and COREY ROBINSON in the 1st round of next year..

This is a mistake that is being run with, I think.

One guy on twitter (@NFLDraftScout ?) said that he really likes Corey Robinson... now, three mock drafts have been published since then, and Robinson is on all of them. I have a feeling that the original guy meant "Will Fuller," and the ensuing mock drafts are simply copying his mistaken interest.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en data-scribe-reduced-action-queue="><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Last year at this time I picked Ohio State to win the National Championship. I'd say this year it's them and Notre Dame in the title game.</p>— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/595245800604573696">May 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Why not try to get him for maximum UFA contract then? Seems worth the risk since your guaranteed money is fairly minimal.

Bears ECU OT UFA pick up might be a nice project at Center. Don't see much else in there to get me too excited.

As for ND, Fuller is a first round stretch IMO. The other four I could see though.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en data-scribe-reduced-action-queue="><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Last year at this time I picked Ohio State to win the National Championship. I'd say this year it's them and Notre Dame in the title game.</p>— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/595245800604573696">May 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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haha would be crazy
 

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I know it's the bleacher report...but damn they have stanley going #1, jaylon like #7, then sheldon , KVR and COREY ROBINSON in the 1st round of next year..

Fuller, 2nd round
Sheldon, 2nd round unless he stays healthy and has bigtime production (which we all greatly hope for)
Stanley top 15 if he stays healthy
Jaylon top 20 if he stays healthy
KVR 1st round if he stays healthy and performs as well as the coaches were letting on prior to last year. He's had another year to do nothing but workout and practice. He may not be football shape starting summer but he'll be ready for the season.


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haha would be crazy

Would be fun. 2012 was super disappointing at the end, but that was easily the most fun I've ever had as a Notre Dame fan. After ND beat OK and we all realized the road was paved I remember the board having a collective freakout.

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Fascinating read into the mindset of NFL execs. IMO, truly disappointing.

How Hard Are NFL Teams Actually Vetting Draft Picks?

Before the draft, the Chicago Bears hired defensive end Ray McDonald, who was released by the San Francisco 49ers after separate back-to-back allegations of domestic violence and sexual assault. No charges were filed. Bears owner George McCaskey was asked if he had spoken to any of the women involved or their counsel in those cases.

"An alleged victim, I think -- much like anybody else who has a bias in this situation," McCaskey told the Chicago Tribune at owner meetings in March. "There's a certain amount of discounting in what they have to say."

McCaskey talked to plenty of others friendly to McDonald. It's likely that McDonald's mom and former high school coach have their own biases -- likely favoring the player in question. Checking a player out means taking those interviews in context, but not completely discounting a person who might not see him as a good guy.

Perhaps a general manager would interview an alleged victim, look her in the eye, and come away with the feeling that there was a grudge, or that she wasn't being forthcoming. But to go into the process with that assumption and not seek out an interview is a bias of its own.

McCaskey, by the way, is a member of the NFL's new conduct committee.
 

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anyone read Peter King's MMQB yesterday? he compared randy gregory's mental issues (he suffers from depression) to Greg Hardy's (he beats women and owns 100 machine guns). The guy is awful.
 

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That draft would be stupid fun! 5 first rounders and #1 overall? Where do I sign?
 

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I'll be shocked if Robinson goes before round 3. He's a poor mans Mike Evans. He has the size but I bet he runs like a 4.7. Also hands aren't great. Obviously he can improve, but he lacks the physical talent of a 1st round WR.

I can see how they might discount his drops from last season due to the hand injury but unless and until he shows he can beat press coverage I don't see it either.
 

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I'll be shocked if Robinson goes before round 3. He's a poor mans Mike Evans. He has the size but I bet he runs like a 4.7. Also hands aren't great. Obviously he can improve, but he lacks the physical talent of a 1st round WR.

I think Corey's hands are pretty good. But I agree that he isn't a first round talent (not right now anyway). If he stays all 4 years, keeps getting bigger, and gets his 40 times to around 4.5 then he could definitely be a first round pick.

Robinson probably won't go in the first round when he is in the draft, but it won't be because of his hands. Especially when Breshad Perriman and his brick hands goes in the first round

Notre Dame's best chances of having a receiver go in the first round are with ESB, Boykin, and maybe even Brent if he can get his act together. Fuller could eventually turn into a #1 receiver in the NFL, but he will start out as a #2 or #3. Robinson just needs to work on everything
 
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Broken thumb would seem to make it a little bit harder to catch a football. Prior to that I thought he had the best hands on the team and widest catch radius by FAR. Funchess is probably best comp, not a lot of 6'4"+ receivers out there. Outside Funchess, all first two day WRs were sub 4.5 forty guys.

Fuller would have the speed and production that would be hard to ignore. If he makes another nice improvement in his final year I could see him crack the first round as the #1 WR off a playoff caliber team.
 

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Broken thumb would seem to make it a little bit harder to catch a football. Prior to that I thought he had the best hands on the team and widest catch radius by FAR. Funchess is probably best comp, not a lot of 6'4"+ receivers out there. Outside Funchess, all first two day WRs were sub 4.5 forty guys.

Fuller would have the speed and production that would be hard to ignore. If he makes another nice improvement in his final year I could see him crack the first round as the #1 WR off a playoff caliber team.

Finally someone who knows what they are talking about.
 

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Broken thumb would seem to make it a little bit harder to catch a football. Prior to that I thought he had the best hands on the team and widest catch radius by FAR. Funchess is probably best comp, not a lot of 6'4"+ receivers out there. Outside Funchess, all first two day WRs were sub 4.5 forty guys.

Fuller would have the speed and production that would be hard to ignore. If he makes another nice improvement in his final year I could see him crack the first round as the #1 WR off a playoff caliber team.

Fuller seems to be of the Agholor, Nelson mold which means he could definitely be a first round pick with similar production to last year.
 
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Fuller seems to be of the Agholor Nelson mold, which means he could definitely be a first round pick with similar production to last year.

He's more similar to Desean Jackson than Agholor, in my opinion. IIRC, Jackson slipped to the second round b/c of concerns about his frame. I think Fuller may face the same criticism but if he continues to blow past corners and runs a sub 4.4 at the combine, I think teams will have to consider him in the first round.
 

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He's more similar to Desean Jackson than Agholor, in my opinion. IIRC, Jackson slipped to the second round b/c of concerns about his frame. I think Fuller may face the same criticism but if he continues to blow past corners and runs a sub 4.4 at the combine, I think teams will have to consider him in the first round.

Agholor is 6' 185 lbs

Nelson Agholor googled To be fair, I found sites listing Agholor at 198 but if that's true, I don't know where he hides it.

Desean Jackson is 5'10", 178 lbs 4ish years in the league.

Will fuller is listed at 6', 180lbs as a junior.

Fuller's stats

Tell me again why I'm wrong and your suggestion is right? :banana:
 
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Agholor is 6' 185 lbs

Nelson Agholor googled

Desean Jackson is 5'10", 178 lbs 4ish years in the league.

Will fuller is listed at 6', 180lbs as a junior.

Fuller's stats

Tell me again why I'm wrong and your suggestion is right? :banana:

I trust the measurement/weight taken at the combine more than any other source with respect to NFL players.

Agholor weighed 198lbs at the combine. Nearly twenty pounds heavier than Will.

Nelson Agholor Draft Profile – NFL.com

Desean Jackson's combine height and weight, 6'0'' 178lbs, is almost identical to Will's current height/weight.

NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - DeSean Jackson

Desean and Will rely on elite straight line speed to create separation (whether it's beating corners over the top with speed or enjoying separation at the snap b/c corners are forced to give them a cushion). Nelson certainly isn't slow but he doesn't have elite straight line speed and relies more on quickness and shiftiness to create separation.

Just one man's opinion.
 

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Fuller reminds me of Devin Smith from OSU who went 37th overall this year to the Jets.

Smith was 6'0" and 196 at the Combine and ran a 4.42. I would love to know Fuller's real weight. I think he has to weigh an absolute minimum of 185 to be a 1st rounder. DeSean only weighed 169 at the Combine and he slipped to 49th despite being much more electric in college.

NFL draft profile for Smith sounds an awful lot like Fuller:

Analysis

Strengths
Smooth speed merchant with instant gas off the line. Has outstanding body composure and an effortless stride. Electrifying foot quickness. Game-breaking speed with necessary feel of a downfield receiver. Tracks the throw over his shoulder and never breaks stride in the chase. Averaged 28.2 yards per catch and 54.5 percent of his catches were for 25-plus yards in 2014. Used outside and from slot. Must be matched by speed on defense or with safety over the top. Uses shoulder dip from inside release to avoid being redirected by slot corner. Speed creates uncontested targets for him underneath. Can snap off dig routes and open immediately. Good luck giving chase to Smith on a crosser or speed-out in the red zone. Might have been the best gunner in college football.
Weaknesses
Lacks natural, soft hands. Will double catch and corral throws into body. Tries to catch, turn and run before securing the throw. Shows a lack of patience in his routes. Game too heavily reliant upon speed. Must learn to be effective when deep ball is restricted by defense. Thin hips and frame. Play strength is below average. Can be frustrated by physical corners. Gets jostled and distracted when bodied hard down the field. Desire lacking as run blocker. Often taken off field and replaced when Buckeyes wanted to run out of "11" personnel.
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DeSean Jackson
Bottom Line
Smith isn't just combine-fast, he's game-fast and he would have had more than 12 touchdown catches during the 2014 season if he didn't have to slow down and wait on throws so often. Smith has the feet and hips to become much more than a deep-ball specialist and should be able to step right into a gunner spot on special teams. He still needs to learn his craft and improve his hands, but he has rare speed to score from anywhere on the field.
 

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Fuller reminds me of Devin Smith from OSU who went 37th overall this year to the Jets.

Smith was 6'0" and 196 at the Combine and ran a 4.42. I would love to know Fuller's real weight. I think he has to weigh an absolute minimum of 185 to be a 1st rounder. DeSean only weighed 169 at the Combine and he slipped to 49th despite being much more electric in college.

NFL draft profile for Smith sounds an awful lot like Fuller:

Yup this is who I have compared him too as well.
 

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Fuller reminds me of Devin Smith from OSU who went 37th overall this year to the Jets.

Smith was 6'0" and 196 at the Combine and ran a 4.42. I would love to know Fuller's real weight. I think he has to weigh an absolute minimum of 185 to be a 1st rounder. DeSean only weighed 169 at the Combine and he slipped to 49th despite being much more electric in college.

NFL draft profile for Smith sounds an awful lot like Fuller:

Yup this is who I have compared him too as well.

Smith seems legitimately more muscular than Will.

If Fuller adds that kind of strength to his body he is going to be real damn good.
 
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