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Pretty sure you bet me your entire bankroll (at the time) that ND would not drop another game this year. Don't go double-dipping with my money now ;)

EDIT: I can't remember which threat it was in, but I'm assuming Clemson

You don't even need to look up the bet I'll bet you my entire bankroll right now. This is what we gamblers like to call a "win win"
 

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You don't even need to look up the bet I'll bet you my entire bankroll right now. This is what we gamblers like to call a "win win"

LOL ok this time I'm going to PM you so we have a record of it. I believe the bet was regular season only btw.
 

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You don't even need to look up the bet I'll bet you my entire bankroll right now. This is what we gamblers like to call a "win win"

You lose both of those and Uncle Tony will be stopping by to collect.
 

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I'll bet wizards' entire bank roll on something stupid... any takers??
 

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Pretty sure you bet me your entire bankroll (at the time) that ND would not drop another game this year. Don't go double-dipping with my money now ;)

EDIT: I can't remember which threat it was in, but I'm assuming Clemson

Misread your post. I though you were saying I bet that we would drop another game. I doubt I made a bet saying we would not drop another game.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Three Irish opponents are currently ranked among the top 8 teams in FEI. Notre Dame rises up to No.1 in FEI SOS: <a href="https://t.co/aUd5eQgz1l">https://t.co/aUd5eQgz1l</a></p>— Brian Fremeau (@bcfremeau) <a href="https://twitter.com/bcfremeau/status/658778718693912576">October 26, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Silly maths, everyone knows that our schedule has been garbage.
 

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All noise. FPI with 3 BIG 12's at the top and Sagarin w/ Bama at #1.

Whatever. More filler to get clicks.

Schedules & results won't lie come December 5th.
 

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You don't even need to look up the bet I'll bet you my entire bankroll right now. This is what we gamblers like to call a "win win"

I mean...this is much more of a win-win than your last board bet, which was basically all or nothing. I like your style on this one way better.
 

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I mean...this is much more of a win-win than your last board bet, which was basically all or nothing. I like your style on this one way better.

That was a true win/lose. Either I got banned or I didn't have to read you and zards post about the Patriots for a while. And i needed a break anyway so it was closer to a win/win as well.
 
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All noise. FPI with 3 BIG 12's at the top and Sagarin w/ Bama at #1.

Whatever. More filler to get clicks.

Schedules & results won't lie come December 5th.

The FPI isn't designed to be filler or click bait. I find it significantly flawed but ESPN uses it in many of their shows and content.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Three Irish opponents are currently ranked among the top 8 teams in FEI. Notre Dame rises up to No.1 in FEI SOS: <a href="https://t.co/aUd5eQgz1l">https://t.co/aUd5eQgz1l</a></p>— Brian Fremeau (@bcfremeau) <a href="https://twitter.com/bcfremeau/status/658778718693912576">October 26, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Silly maths, everyone knows that our schedule has been garbage.

First of all we've played 2 of the top 8, not 3 as your post infers.

Second, any model that argues 2-4 Tennessee is the 18th best team in the country (edging out TCU, Florida St., Oklahoma St., Houston, etc.) is basically meaningless IMO.
 

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First of all we've played 2 of the top 8, not 3 as your post infers.

Second, any model that argues 2-4 Tennessee is the 18th best team in the country (edging out TCU, Florida St., Oklahoma St., Houston, etc.) is basically meaningless IMO.

Except that it measures how teams actually play and not the result of the game... Tennessee has had a large amount of games barely slip away against elite competition. They'd be favored over every one of those teams except TCU and maybe FSU on a neutral field.

Teams like USC and Tennessee have the same problem... they perform well on the field on a per play, per drive basis but then find ways to blow games with mistakes/coaching. USC should not have lost to either Stanford or Washington... they fell asleep at the wheel against Stanford (because they had a drunkard for a coach) and played laughably stupid football against Washington. The only game where they got "outplayed" was ND and they frankly dominated ND in a yards perspective (ND just made more big plays when it counted). So you'll see them high up in anything that is a "power ranking" and you'll see them far down in anything that is a "results" ranking.
 
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First of all we've played 2 of the top 8, not 3 as your post infers.

Second, any model that argues 2-4 Tennessee is the 18th best team in the country (edging out TCU, Florida St., Oklahoma St., Houston, etc.) is basically meaningless IMO.

Tennessee beat Georgia and narrowly lost to several good SEC teams. TCU and Okie State, in typical Big12 fashion, played some pathetic OOC cupcakes and then proceeded to narrowly win shoot-outs against conference opponents of questionable quality. What's the argument for them being obviously better than Tennessee?
 

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Except that it measures how teams actually play and not the result of the game... Tennessee has had a large amount of games barely slip away against elite competition. They'd be favored over every one of those teams except TCU and maybe FSU on a neutral field.

Teams like USC and Tennessee have the same problem... they perform well on the field on a per play, per drive basis but then find ways to blow games with mistakes/coaching. USC should not have lost to either Stanford or Washington... they fell asleep at the wheel against Stanford (because they had a drunkard for a coach) and played laughably stupid football against Washington. The only game where they got "outplayed" was ND and they frankly dominated ND in a yards perspective (ND just made more big plays when it counted). So you'll see them high up in anything that is a "power ranking" and you'll see them far down in anything that is a "results" ranking.

That's my major disagreement with the model. It excuses talented teams for losing games they should have won based on talent. I don't find that very valuable.
 

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I like Stanford being ahead of us in the poll. It'll mean more when we beat them.
 

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Tennessee beat Georgia and narrowly lost to several good SEC teams. TCU and Okie State, in typical Big12 fashion, played some pathetic OOC cupcakes and then proceeded to narrowly win shoot-outs against conference opponents of questionable quality. What's the argument for them being obviously better than Tennessee?

All I read about on IE is how bad mediocre the SEC is and now I'm supposed to believe a team that has wins over Bowling Green, Georgia (who has 0 quality wins), and Western Carolina and literally no one else is the 18th best team in the country. Come on.

The model is ultimately about making excuses for talented teams. Not on board with that.
 

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Tennessee beat Georgia and narrowly lost to several good SEC teams. TCU and Okie State, in typical Big12 fashion, played some pathetic OOC cupcakes and then proceeded to narrowly win shoot-outs against conference opponents of questionable quality. What's the argument for them being obviously better than Tennessee?

Don't worry about Okie State, Texas Tech is going to take them out of the equation this weekend in Lubbock.
 

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That's my major disagreement with the model. It excuses talented teams for losing games they should have won based on talent. I don't find that very valuable.


Agree. Win your games, and none of that crap matters anyways.

We need to beat Temple by 30, or Tennessee will jump us in the FEI after losing a close one to Kentucky, but getting a lot of first downs in the game!
 
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That's my major disagreement with the model. It excuses talented teams for losing games they should have won based on talent. I don't find that very valuable.

This seems to be the heart of our disagreement. The model isn't "excusing" anything; it's a drive based efficiency metric designed to show who the most efficient teams are, regardless of record.

Lax and I never suggested that the Selection Committee should just print out the final FEI ranking and invite the top four teams. But they should consult with objective SoS models in deciding between teams with at least one loss, for the very reason that you, wizards, and the old BCS format made all to apparent: cognitive biases cause us to overvalue perfect records and marquee wins and undervalue narrow losses to quality teams and high average quality of opponent.

If your gripe is that NDs resume might not be strong enough to make the playoffs at 11-1, you're on solid ground; we lost a game and no longer control our own destiny. But if you want to argue our resume is trash based solely on the W/L records of our opponents... that's reductive bullsh!t for which there isn't a shred of objective evidence.
 
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Still plenty of sorting out to do before the end of the season. The Big 12 is just now getting to the heart of their schedules, Bama/LSU in a couple of weeks, tOSU still has MSU and UM, and on and on.

Patience IE brethren... patience.
 

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Still plenty of sorting out to do before the end of the season. The Big 12 is just now getting to the heart of their schedules, Bama/LSU in a couple of weeks, tOSU still has MSU and UM, and on and on.

Patience IE brethren... patience.

T Town, the voice of reason.

We just gotta win, everything will hopefully take care of itself through cannibalism if we keep winning. Lose, and we're definitely out. There's still the possibility that some other 1 loss team could jump us, but they would need a pretty impressive schedule or a very good Conference Championship win at this point I think.

Big 12 will cannibalism each other, and the undefeated teams there have mostly crappy schedules. Only one of their remaining undefeated teams will remain undefeated, at best. Best scenario is that Baylor, TCU, and Oklahoma State all have 1 loss or more by the end of the year.

tOSU plays MSU, and one will play likely Iowa if Iowa keeps winning. Iowa's schedule is trash though, they won't likely get in with 1 loss, they would have to run the table.

LSU will face Bama, and I have a feeling their defense will sell out on the run to stop Fournette and force LSU to pass. LSU will struggle either way.

Stanford plays us, we just have to win that one.

I don't see any other 1 loss teams jumping us, unless Florida gets to the SEC Champion and somehow magically beats Bama. They would most certainly jump us in that case. They still have Florida State and Georgia to play though.

If we manage to win out, which will be a tough feat especially with Stanford, I expect the playoff could look like tOSU, Bama, and then some combination of Clemson, TCU, and us....depending on how the remaining games go. I guess Utah could potentially jump us. If they make it to the Pac-12 championship with no more losses and have an impressive win they might get in, but it's pretty unlikely.
 
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T Town, the voice of reason.

We just gotta win, everything will hopefully take care of itself through cannibalism if we keep winning. Lose, and we're definitely out. There's still the possibility that some other 1 loss team could jump us, but they would need a pretty impressive schedule or a very good Conference Championship win at this point I think.

Big 12 will cannibalism each other, and the undefeated teams there have mostly crappy schedules. Only one of their remaining undefeated teams will remain undefeated, at best. Best scenario is that Baylor, TCU, and Oklahoma State all have 1 loss or more by the end of the year.

tOSU plays MSU, and one will play likely Iowa if Iowa keeps winning. Iowa's schedule is trash though, they won't likely get in with 1 loss, they would have to run the table.

LSU will face Bama, and I have a feeling their defense will sell out on the run to stop Fournette and force LSU to pass. LSU will struggle either way.

Stanford plays us, we just have to win that one.

I don't see any other 1 loss teams jumping us, unless Florida gets to the SEC Champion and somehow magically beats Bama. They would most certainly jump us in that case. They still have Florida State and Georgia to play though.

If we manage to win out, which will be a tough feat especially with Stanford, I expect the playoff could look like tOSU, Bama, and then some combination of Clemson, TCU, and us....depending on how the remaining games go. I guess Utah could potentially jump us. If they make it to the Pac-12 championship with no more losses and have an impressive win they might get in, but it's pretty unlikely.

Utah got crushed by a USC team that ND beat. I don't see them jumping the Irish. I suspect Baylor will get past their schedule, eliminating TCU along the way. Would be nice if Baylor would drop a game along the way, as they are playing better teams in the second half of their schedule than the first. OSU has not looked particularly impressive all year. They will be hard pressed to make it through Michigan and MSU, but even if they do they will knock out MSU along the way. Iowa is a pretender, and they will almost certainly drop at least a game along the way and be out of it.

I'm hoping LSU beats Bama, because even the Tide with 2 losses will be out of contention. Gotta root for Clemson right up until the end and hope they get picked off in the ACC championship game. But, even if win out ND could still sneak in (indeed, it may help if they do because of how close ND played them in the monsoon). I suspect OKSt will fall this week, and OU has Baylor, TCU, OKSt on the slate from here forward -- that's a tall order. If they can knock Baylor out of the chase, all the better. MSU has the easiest path to the playoffs if they can get past OSU (both look bad at times). For the first time in my life, I will root for Michigan to beat OSU and knock them out of it (which I think is not only possible, but I'm leaning toward probable).

If all that plays out OSU, TCU, Bama, Iowa, OKSt and Stanford are out of the way. If we're lucky Baylor, OU and MSU will stumble, and Clemson will close out with an ACC championship loss.

We could easily get in the playoffs, but the question is ... do we want a rematch with LSU? (maybe not) How about Clemson (absolutely) Can we stop Baylor? (nobody has yet, and we know that because they played nobody). Those are my probable final three. Lets hope we sneak into the fourth spot. Just win, baby! It'll work out the way it is supposed to.
 

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Let's indulge in some speculation. The CFB Committee is composed of football fans. If both Notre Dame and Clemson run the table, who wouldn't want to see that re-match? Preferably without a monsoon backdrop. I mean, who wants to see a Big 12 team parlay a weak schedule into a playoff game against a (likely) 2 loss PAC-12 champ? 11-1 ND versus 12-1 ACC champ Clemson in a re-match is a very sexy post-season storyline.
 

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Utah got crushed by a USC team that ND beat. I don't see them jumping the Irish. I suspect Baylor will get past their schedule, eliminating TCU along the way. Would be nice if Baylor would drop a game along the way, as they are playing better teams in the second half of their schedule than the first. OSU has not looked particularly impressive all year. They will be hard pressed to make it through Michigan and MSU, but even if they do they will knock out MSU along the way. Iowa is a pretender, and they will almost certainly drop at least a game along the way and be out of it.

I'm hoping LSU beats Bama, because even the Tide with 2 losses will be out of contention. Gotta root for Clemson right up until the end and hope they get picked off in the ACC championship game. But, even if win out ND could still sneak in (indeed, it may help if they do because of how close ND played them in the monsoon). I suspect OKSt will fall this week, and OU has Baylor, TCU, OKSt on the slate from here forward -- that's a tall order. If they can knock Baylor out of the chase, all the better. MSU has the easiest path to the playoffs if they can get past OSU (both look bad at times). For the first time in my life, I will root for Michigan to beat OSU and knock them out of it (which I think is not only possible, but I'm leaning toward probable).

If all that plays out OSU, TCU, Bama, Iowa, OKSt and Stanford are out of the way. If we're lucky Baylor, OU and MSU will stumble, and Clemson will close out with an ACC championship loss.

We could easily get in the playoffs, but the question is ... do we want a rematch with LSU? (maybe not) How about Clemson (absolutely) Can we stop Baylor? (nobody has yet, and we know that because they played nobody). Those are my probable final three. Lets hope we sneak into the fourth spot. Just win, baby! It'll work out the way it is supposed to.

Yeah, I didn't really list Utah as a likely candidate to jump us, but when you consider tOSU had a nasty loss to VT last year, and then had an impressive win against Wisconsin in the championship game, that prompted the committee to move them into the playoff picture. Utah has a winnable schedule remaining in the regular season, but I don't really see them bouncing ahead of us.

Florida is a different matter. They may be without their QB now, but if they continue to win out and somehow win the SEC, they will without a doubt jump us. Those are big if's, but if they find a way to win they're certainly ahead of us cause SEC. There's something about new coaches coming into the SEC and succeeding early, then struggling as opposition adjusts: first Sumlin, then Malzahn, now McElwain.

As far as the Big 12, I think TCU has the best shot to still run the table, even though they haven't always looked great (Not all good teams do). I sincerely hope they drop 1 or more though, same for Baylor. As far as Baylor, they're breaking in a new QB with his first four games going like this: K State, Oklahoma, OK State, and TCU. That's a pretty rough stretch there, and I think they'll drop one at least. Knocking the Big 12 out of the playoff picture would make it easy for the committee to bring the 11-1 Irish in over a messy 2015 PAC-12 and a 1 loss 2015 Big 12 champ.

tOSU may not have looked great either all season, but they're effectively the 2015 version of the 2014 Florida State team. They haven't been as hungry, they sleep walk through the first few quarters of games, and then they get tough and show their talent as they finish out games. It probably helps that they've gone back to JT Barrett who seems to be more consistent. tOSU is still probably the most likely team to get away unscathed from the B1G, even as Michigan and Michigan State have played well this year. If I'm tOSU I'm definitely more worried about Michigan than MSU this year, but both will be challenging games.

LSU winning out is probably better for us, but they still have Ole Miss and Alabama to get through, although they should handle Ole Miss. If Alabama stuffs the run, LSU is done. We know Fournette is a beast, he'll get yards, but 'Bama still has a tough defense. Should be a good game. In the end, I expect 'Bama to handle the rest of the season, including a championship against Georgia or Florida where the Tide should come out on top again.

We absolutely do not want Clemson to lose, the best scenario is where they win out or they find a way to keep the ACC completely out of the championship. We need that 2 point loss in Death Valley to look as good as possible, and an undefeated Clemson team would do that. If we win out, the likely PAC-12 champ is effectively eliminated from the playoff conversation. SEC champ will likely be in no matter what. Clemson will certainly be in if they run the table, and I think they can unless they struggle with FSU. That leaves 2 spots between us, the B1G champ, and the Big 12. Hopefully everyone in the Big 12 winds up with at least 1 loss, because the schedules suck. I think the whoever wins the B1G will wind up in the playoff though, 1 loss or not (Even though their schedules aren't much better).
 
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Yeah, I didn't really list Utah as a likely candidate to jump us, but when you consider tOSU had a nasty loss to VT last year, and then had an impressive win against Wisconsin in the championship game, that prompted the committee to move them into the playoff picture. Utah has a winnable schedule remaining in the regular season, but I don't really see them bouncing ahead of us.

Florida is a different matter. They may be without their QB now, but if they continue to win out and somehow win the SEC, they will without a doubt jump us. Those are big if's, but if they find a way to win they're certainly ahead of us cause SEC. There's something about new coaches coming into the SEC and succeeding early, then struggling as opposition adjusts: first Sumlin, then Malzahn, now McElwain.

As far as the Big 12, I think TCU has the best shot to still run the table, even though they haven't always looked great (Not all good teams do). I sincerely hope they drop 1 or more though, same for Baylor. As far as Baylor, they're breaking in a new QB with his first four games going like this: K State, Oklahoma, OK State, and TCU. That's a pretty rough stretch there, and I think they'll drop one at least. Knocking the Big 12 out of the playoff picture would make it easy for the committee to bring the 11-1 Irish in over a messy 2015 PAC-12 and a 1 loss 2015 Big 12 champ.

tOSU may not have looked great either all season, but they're effectively the 2015 version of the 2014 Florida State team. They haven't been as hungry, they sleep walk through the first few quarters of games, and then they get tough and show their talent as they finish out games. It probably helps that they've gone back to JT Barrett who seems to be more consistent. tOSU is still probably the most likely team to get away unscathed from the B1G, even as Michigan and Michigan State have played well this year. If I'm tOSU I'm definitely more worried about Michigan than MSU this year, but both will be challenging games.

LSU winning out is probably better for us, but they still have Ole Miss and Alabama to get through, although they should handle Ole Miss. If Alabama stuffs the run, LSU is done. We know Fournette is a beast, he'll get yards, but 'Bama still has a tough defense. Should be a good game. In the end, I expect 'Bama to handle the rest of the season, including a championship against Georgia or Florida where the Tide should come out on top again.

We absolutely do not want Clemson to lose, the best scenario is where they win out or they find a way to keep the ACC completely out of the championship. We need that 2 point loss in Death Valley to look as good as possible, and an undefeated Clemson team would do that. If we win out, the likely PAC-12 champ is effectively eliminated from the playoff conversation. SEC champ will likely be in no matter what. Clemson will certainly be in if they run the table, and I think they can unless they struggle with FSU. That leaves 2 spots between us, the B1G champ, and the Big 12. Hopefully everyone in the Big 12 winds up with at least 1 loss, because the schedules suck. I think the whoever wins the B1G will wind up in the playoff though, 1 loss or not (Even though their schedules aren't much better).

Not necessarily.

What if Pitt loses to us and then wins out, beating Clemson in the title game. That gives us a win over the ACC champ and Clemson still looks like a reasonable loss as the ACC runner up. It pushes us past two conference champs (assuming Stanford takes care of business) and all but ensures a spot for ND. Assuming, of course, they beat the snot out of everyone else on the schedule.
 
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