'18 PA QB Phil Jurkovec (Wherever I May Roam Chud)

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Pretty sure it's been talked about since week 1 that this unit is bad and does not remind you of previous iterations.

They returned four starters. Do you know if they have suffered personnel losses this year?

 

[NorthDakota]

There were a lot of NC defenders running free to the QB on a lot of plays. Also, it doesn’t seem like they are trying to use Jerkovich as a running threat at all.

I haven't watched any BC, but them not using him as a running threat seems like malpractice. Pretty sure the dude is a very good athlete???

 

[IrishLion]

He legitimately left 4 TDs on the field in the 1st half with off target throws. All his throws downfield are wobblers. Ironically, he seems to play the same kind of “game” as book.... good distributing the ball underneath and can make plays with his legs, cannot throw accurately down the field. Difference is that with Book they’re at least spirals.

I felt the same, but whereas you were unimpressed, I actually continue to be more impressed by Phil.

He misses some throws and leaves yards on the field... but when it's late and they let him line up and go, his 'creator' tendencies (very similar to Book) stand out, because he uses his mobility and comfort in freestyling to make things happen against vanilla defensive looks. He even hits more of the deep shots when that happens, though it helps that Zay Flowers is very fast and good at moving towards his scramble, and that his TE is really good in general.

The differences I see make it a wash between Phil and Book, IMO, and that's probably why Phil felt 'stuck,' but also why the coaching staff was completely justified when they didn't see the merit in removing Book at any point during his early struggles last year. Why go from one guy to another when both guys play similar games, especially when one guy has an edge in experience?

They are both at their best when the move and get into the flow of the no-huddle at fast tempo. Whereas Ian will take off or hit an underneath/outside throw with accuracy, Phil prefers to throw deep middle. Ian has more accuracy, but Phil seems more willing to test the defense between the hashes.

Both styles have merit, and it's worked out for BC thus far. We'll see what happens when they play a DC that has had adequate time to come up with a plan for defending Phil in the inevitable no-huddle situations they find themselves in*.



*In this house, we respect Clark Lea.

 

[GowerND11]

They returned four starters. Do you know if they have suffered personnel losses this year?

If I remember correctly, it's that they won't have a back like Dillon anymore, and will want to throw the ball with Phil, can they do pass pro effectively enough for him? They were considered a strength in all the season previews, but since week 1, it has been about how they aren't holding up.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I haven't watched any BC, but them not using him as a running threat seems like malpractice. Pretty sure the dude is a very good athlete???

He's a good athlete and tough to bring down but I thought he would be faster than he appeared on Saturday.

 

[Armyirish47]

If I remember correctly, it's that they won't have a back like Dillon anymore, and will want to throw the ball with Phil, can they do pass pro effectively enough for him? They were considered a strength in all the season previews, but since week 1, it has been about how they aren't holding up.

They are also using a new O-Line coach. One of the favorite's to replace Harry when he left was Justin Frye (who went to UCLA and is now their o-line/offensive coordinator). He was followed by Trautwein who is now at Penn State.

 

[NDRock]

Looks like Phil is tearing it up today.

 

[Woneone]

I've been watching the game. He makes some really good throws.

He also makes some really bad ones.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I've been watching the game. He makes some really good throws.



He also makes some really bad ones.

Brandon Wimbush is still playing?

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[IrishLax]

He played his best game. Didn't light the world on fire but he now has two good performances (Duke/Pitt) and two bad performances (UNC/Texas State). FWIW, his QBR was worse than Book's from yesterday and they scored 24 points in regulation... and all over the internet you see Notre Dame fans pining for Phil. It's so weird.

 

[dad4aa]

He played his best game. Didn't light the world on fire but he now has two good performances (Duke/Pitt) and two bad performances (UNC/Texas State). FWIW, his QBR was worse than Book's from yesterday and they scored 24 points in regulation... and all over the internet you see Notre Dame fans pining for Phil. It's so weird.

While true, lets not act like it was bad.

Ian Book 83.3
Trevor Lawrence 81.6
Phil Jurkovec 81.3

You slam Phil all the time because of what he did to Notre Dame but he is coming into his own very well. He has started 4 games in his career where Ian and Trevor are in their third year as starters.

 

[Rack Em]

He played his best game. Didn't light the world on fire but he now has two good performances (Duke/Pitt) and two bad performances (UNC/Texas State). FWIW, his QBR was worse than Book's from yesterday and they scored 24 points in regulation... and all over the internet you see Notre Dame fans pining for Phil. It's so weird.

Because he has more upside than Book. And Book has struggled against superior defenses. So it’s natural for fans to want PJ when they’re not gambling with their own money.

 

[IrishLax]

While true, lets not act like it was bad.

Ian Book 83.3
Trevor Lawrence 81.6
Phil Jurkovec 81.3

You slam Phil all the time because of what he did to Notre Dame but he is coming into his own very well. He has started 4 games in his career where Ian and Trevor are in their third year as starters.

I said "he played his best game" and that it was "good." In no universe is that slamming Phil.

 

[dad4aa]

I said "he played his best game" and that it was "good." In no universe is that slamming Phil.

Correct and I chose the wrong words, my bad. But your posts about Phil always have a negative undertone. Somewhat passive aggressive. “He played great but....”

 

[NDRock]

While true, lets not act like it was bad.

Ian Book 83.3
Trevor Lawrence 81.6
Phil Jurkovec 81.3

You slam Phil all the time because of what he did to Notre Dame but he is coming into his own very well. He has started 4 games in his career where Ian and Trevor are in their third year as starters.

I'm not really up to speed on all aspects of QBR. It is interesting that Phil is 30th overall and Book is 23rd. Looking at the breakdown, Phil is ahead of Book in every category except Sack (expected points added on sacks with low leverage plays down-weighted). Phil is almost last in that category. Looks like he's been sacked 16 times through 4 games compared to Book's 3 sacks. Not sure if it is more of a line issue or the fault of Phil holding onto the ball too long.

 

[NorthDakota]

Because he has more upside than Book. And Book has struggled against superior defenses. So it’s natural for fans to want PJ when they’re not gambling with their own money.

Yeah, I have no idea if Phil has "it" when it comes to playing against high level opponents, but we've seen how Book has done when Notre Dame plays teams that have equal or greater talented horses.

Whether its fair or not, once people form that opinion its pretty normal i think to wish the shiny 6 foot 5 dominant PA recruit to get his shot.

End of the day, doesn't matter. We ride with Book this year. Hopefully Buchner comes in next year and is the second coming of Junior Jimmy Clausen, because if he is at that level, Notre Dame will have a shot at being a legit contender.

 

[dad4aa]

Hope you’re right. I don’t wish any ill feelings toward Phil but I sure don’t want to see him turn into the high 4*/low 5* recruit everyone thought he was. I think Ian is playing better THIS year but Phil probably has a much higher ceiling. Having Buchner come in will hopefully negate losing Phil if he does hit his potential.

 

[NDRock]

Hope you’re right. I don’t wish any ill feelings toward Phil but I sure don’t want to see him turn into the high 4*/low 5* recruit everyone thought he was. I think Ian is playing better THIS year but Phil probably has a much higher ceiling. Having Buchner come in will hopefully negate losing Phil if he does hit his potential.

The ideal situation would have been for Phil to start the next couple of years and then Tyler take over in his 3rd year. We might have a downturn if we have to rely on a Freshman to come in next year. Who knows, maybe Clark will be a player.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

You guys act like Ian ain't coming back for another year.

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[NorthDakota]

You guys act like Ian ain't coming back for another year.

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Let me live in my dream world where Book seeks a grad transfer because he wants to be a basket weaver and Notre Dame doesn't offer that.

 

[BobbyMac]

He could legit finish an MBA. . . IF he started it and is currently working towards it.

Unless Mac Jones wants to GT in, I'd pass on everyone else right now and bring Book back.

 

[irishandy]

Hopefully Buchner comes in next year and is the second coming of Junior Jimmy Clausen, because if he is at that level, Notre Dame will have a shot at being a legit contender.

No disrespect to Tate, Floyd, and Rudolph, but can you imagine the numbers Clausen would put up at ND if he were a sophomore with who he is working with this year and the talent coming in next year.

 

[NorthDakota]

No disrespect to Tate, Floyd, and Rudolph, but can you imagine the numbers Clausen would put up at ND if he were a sophomore with who he is working with this year and the talent coming in next year.

That does sound disrespectful. Those guys ruled

 

[BobbyMac]

No disrespect to Tate, Floyd, and Rudolph, but can you imagine the numbers Clausen would put up at ND if he were a sophomore with who he is working with this year and the talent coming in next year.

He would've transferred.

 

[ulukinatme]

No disrespect to Tate, Floyd, and Rudolph, but can you imagine the numbers Clausen would put up at ND if he were a sophomore with who he is working with this year and the talent coming in next year.

I feel like people get into some revisionist history once we're removed far enough from some players. I wouldn't trade Tate for any of our current WRs or future recruits. Tate ended up being pretty special, and he's gone on to be a pretty successful WR in the NFL. His talent is without question.

Floyd was pretty damn good too, his biggest problem was the off-field demons that took over his life and cost him everything. They were demons that started during or before his freshman year and despite friends trying to get him help he refused. When he was locked in he was very good though. He was a nighmare to guard, it was rare he didn't win 1 on 1 scenarios.

While recruits are always getting better, I certainly don't feel the newest crop are above and beyond the stars we had 10 and 15 years ago. I don't think we've come that far yet. Certainly the recruits today are faster and more athletic than the guys that came 50 years ago, but the game was arguably more brutal and smash mouth then.

 

[NDRock]

No disrespect to Tate, Floyd, and Rudolph, but can you imagine the numbers Clausen would put up at ND if he were a sophomore with who he is working with this year and the talent coming in next year.

I'm confused. You think our current guys are better than the 3 you listed? Pretty sure Clausen would prefer all three of those pass catchers but with our current OL.

 

[pumpdog20]

No disrespect to Tate, Floyd, and Rudolph, but can you imagine the numbers Clausen would put up at ND if he were a sophomore with who he is working with this year and the talent coming in next year.

Take a nap if you think you'd take this crop or future crop over those 3.

 

[BeatSC]

Back to Phil;

He has had to make plays down the wire which included downfield throws that we just don’t see very often from Ian. His line is nothing like ours hence the higher number of sacks and yes Ian is more elusive but the throws aphio has been making when he needs to against better defenses that Ian has played against shows he is just better. If Phil stays on this path and gets two full seasons at BC he will get drafted and Ian might play in the CFL stands tall and is not jumpy. We’ll see how Ian does against Pitt.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

I wish Phil much success but he’s not better than Book right now. Right now. He makes mistakes that would turn this board upside down if he were still Irish. He’s got talent but needs seasoning.

 

[ThePiombino]

I wish Phil much success but he’s not better than Book right now. Right now. He makes mistakes that would turn this board upside down if he were still Irish. He’s got talent but needs seasoning.

Sure, but so does Book...in his 5th year...3rd as a starter.

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