'18 PA QB Phil Jurkovec (Wherever I May Roam Chud)

[Circa]

Agree wasn’t really a bad throw or anything. But the call on Clemson on roughing the passer that negates the pick was horrific.


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Horrific? Phil clearly had released the ball and the defender was eyes on. He could have slowed down his push.
Debatable.....

 

[NDVirginia19]

This is definitely depressing to watch

 

[irishtrooper]

At least we can finally have an apples to apples comparison (with obvious exception of being different teams) of Phil vs Book. The only thing is that we have better skill players , a much better OL and far superior defense. We have more speed and a multi year starter at QB. If Phil can finish what he started today and Book $hits himself (AGAIN!) against Clemson (really any top level team), perhaps we can finally conclude that BK made a bad choice with regard to Phil. Heck, this game is even at Clemson and ours is at ND. It’s going to be very difficult to twist the logic around to argue reasonably that BK didn’t eff this up totally (with some help by reported film fails, etc by Phil).

I say this understanding it can turn around in 2nd half. For the record, I WANT badly to be wrong about Book. Can anyone say Book would have us put up 3 offensive TDs in one half against Clemson after he pooped his pants last time......?

 

[NorthDakota]

At least we can finally have an apples to apples comparison (with obvious exception of being different teams) of Phil vs Book. The only thing is that we have better skill players , a much better OL and far superior defense. We have more speed and a multi year starter at QB. If Phil can finish what he started today and Book $hits himself (AGAIN!) against Clemson (really any top level team), perhaps we can finally conclude that BK made a bad choice with regard to Phil. Heck, this game is even at Clemson and ours is at ND. It’s going to be very difficult to twist the logic around to argue reasonably that BK didn’t eff this up totally (with some help by reported film fails, etc by Phil).

I say this understanding it can turn around in 2nd half. For the record, I WANT badly to be wrong about Book. Can anyone say Book would have us put up 3 offensive TDs in one half against Clemson after he pooped his pants last time......?

Even if it turns around in the second half and Phil struggles, he's a better football player than Book and it isn't close.

 

[bkess8]

5* Phil is looking good today!

 

[#1rish]

Most shows how awful Bk truly is at developing QBs.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Most shows how awful Bk truly is at developing QBs.

PJ is good man. You just have to think/hope he started hitting the books and watching the film once he moved on. Otherwise it was a big mistake by BK and Reese


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[GATTACA!]

Most shows how awful Bk truly is at developing QBs.

Developing and evaluating apparently.

 

[Luckylucci]

So, the first time starter is getting better and better as he plays and gets more reps. Who woulda thunk it?

You gotta wonder what our offense looks like if we spent the last half of last season with this guy building towards this.

 

[arrowryan]

Phil is on record saying that he wasn’t emotionally or mentally invested at Notre Dame. No coach was saving that.

My favorite thing about this board is how we always go back to past players and go “yup, what could’ve been!”

 

[ThePiombino]

Phil is on record saying that he wasn’t emotionally or mentally invested at Notre Dame. No coach was saving that.



My favorite thing about this board is how we always go back to past players and go “yup, what could’ve been!”

But...that COULD...have been. He's doing more with less at BC against Clemson than Book has ever done with more against a 1/2 decent defense. Proof is in the pudding.

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[ulukinatme]

At least we can finally have an apples to apples comparison (with obvious exception of being different teams) of Phil vs Book. The only thing is that we have better skill players , a much better OL and far superior defense. We have more speed and a multi year starter at QB. If Phil can finish what he started today and Book $hits himself (AGAIN!) against Clemson (really any top level team), perhaps we can finally conclude that BK made a bad choice with regard to Phil. Heck, this game is even at Clemson and ours is at ND. It’s going to be very difficult to twist the logic around to argue reasonably that BK didn’t eff this up totally (with some help by reported film fails, etc by Phil).

I say this understanding it can turn around in 2nd half. For the record, I WANT badly to be wrong about Book. Can anyone say Book would have us put up 3 offensive TDs in one half against Clemson after he pooped his pants last time......?

That's not really how college football works though. You'll never get an apples to apples comparison between teams. There's too many contributing factors. Is Clemson looking ahead and disregarded BC, who relishes the spoiler role? Will Clemson's new QB be better settled and prepared with a full week to prepare? What if they find a way to insert Lawrence (I could see them pulling it off, especially if they come back against BC) There's just too many factors like game plans, motivation, weather, injuries (reported and unreported), etc that can vary week to week.

We crushed Iowa State in that bowl game, but State lost to three teams last year by something like a combined 5 points...one of which was a highly rated OU team. Does that mean we were head and shoulders better than OU? Doubtful, but the chips fell our way and led to a blowout. Let's not forget Phil needed heroics to beat lowely Texas State, and BC is up because Clemson fumbled on the 1 yard line about to score and it was returned 99 yards for a TD. That's the difference in this game. That's college football.

 

[irishtrooper]

So, the first time starter is getting better and better as he plays and gets more reps. Who woulda thunk it?

You gotta wonder what our offense looks like if we spent the last half of last season with this guy building towards this.

This is what many of us were trying to say last season. Only we were talked down to by some. The physical differences are obvious and many aren’t surprised he’s playing better each week. This guy leading our roster would be difficult to deal with for the ACC

 

[Rack Em]

Phil is on record saying that he wasn’t emotionally or mentally invested at Notre Dame. No coach was saving that.

My favorite thing about this board is how we always go back to past players and go “yup, what could’ve been!”

That sounds like a coaching problem..................

I was okay with letting Phil walk and letting Book start because I figured it was unlikely that he would unseat a QB coming back to start for a 3rd year in a row. But I agree with those who have said that we would regret watching Phil walk.

Smelly Kelly continues to ruin QBs. Every QB has regressed under him. Every. Single. One.

 

[irishtrooper]

That's not really how college football works though. You'll never get an apples to apples comparison between teams. There's too many contributing factors. Is Clemson looking ahead and disregarded BC, who relishes the spoiler role? Will Clemson's new QB be better settled and prepared with a full week to prepare? What if they find a way to insert Lawrence (I could see them pulling it off, especially if they come back against BC) There's just too many factors like game plans, motivation, weather, injuries (reported and unreported), etc that can vary week to week.

We crushed Iowa State in that bowl game, but State lost to three teams last year by something like a combined 5 points...one of which was a highly rated OU team. Does that mean we were head and shoulders better than OU? Doubtful, but the chips fell our way and led to a blowout. That's college football.

I accept that a lot of things are fungible and no situation is the same.... However it’s pretty intellectually dishonest to try and hold to the idea Book could ever do this against a top roster. He’s not capable, or at least hasn’t shown it. You and others can argue all day about weather, injuries, looking ahead or whatever, but at the end of the day RESULTS MATTER. The results so far indicate BK and Book supporters were horribly wrong.

I truly hope after our game next week, you are telling me how stupid I am after Book explodes for 35+ pts for a huge win. I don’t think that’s happening. Book has shown repeatedly that he will not get it done. Are we to believe that lightning struck this one time for Phil due to a confluence of events and he “got lucky”, but Book hasn’t had the same luck in getting the universe to line up over his 3 seasons of starting?!

 

[GATTACA!]

Phil is on record saying that he wasn’t emotionally or mentally invested at Notre Dame. No coach was saving that.

My favorite thing about this board is how we always go back to past players and go “yup, what could’ve been!”

Gee I wonder if his poor mentality had anything to do with being stuck behind a QB he knew was inferior to him.

 

[NCND]

5 star Phil scored more points on his first drive against Clemson than Book scored in the whole game back in 2019 lol

Exactly what I said to my wife! So annoying! If ND’s offense looks stuck in the mud like every game they play vs a Top 5 team, you have to wonder wtf went on behind the scenes that made BK pick Book over this guy.

 

[ulukinatme]

I accept that a lot of things are fungible and no situation is the same.... However it’s pretty intellectually dishonest to try and hold to the idea Book could ever do this against a top roster. He’s not capable, or at least hasn’t shown it. You and others can argue all day about weather, injuries, looking ahead or whatever, but at the end of the day RESULTS MATTER. The results so far indicate BK and Book supporters were horribly wrong.

I truly hope after our game next week, you are telling me how stupid I am after Book explodes for 35+ pts for a huge win. I don’t think that’s happening. Book has shown repeatedly that he will not get it done. Are we to believe that lightning struck this one time for Phil due to a confluence of events and he “got lucky”, but Book hasn’t had the same luck in getting the universe to line up over his 3 seasons of starting?!

Book has lost 3 games in 3 seasons, what are you talking about? How has Book shown he can't get it done, it's not like he's got awful stats, he's on track to break most ND records aside from probably a few of Quinn's. Book didn't really lose any of those 3 games for us either. We were done against Clemson after the 2nd quarter injuries on defense led to a collapse. Joe Montana wasn't gonna dig us out of a hole against Michigan in the rain, that was a failure top to bottom from the coaches to the players. Book played well enough to win against Georgia, we we're lucky to play it close regardless. It's not like we were favored to win any of those, when was the last time an ND QB didn't drop a game to a lesser team? It's been awhile...a long while prior to Book.

Gee I wonder if his poor mentality had anything to do with being stuck behind a QB he knew was inferior to him.

Poor excuse. Winners prepare like they're the starter regardless, that's how you prove it in practice. If he needed the reigns handed to him that's on him and not who I want at QB.

 

[calvegas04]

I mean if Book was throwing these same passes you guys would be jumping on him for them being late or too low

 

[arrowryan]

Oh yeah there’s the Phil we know! Glad he finally showed up.

 

[ulukinatme]

BC starting to implode. Gave up the TD quick, then another bad pass from Phil, then next play he fumbled and manages to wrestle the ball back from the Clemson defender before they punt.

 

[NorthDakota]

If he needed the reigns handed to him that's on him and not who I want at QB.

That's how you end up with the Ian Book's of the world at QB and getting blasted in nearly all big games.

 

[irishtrooper]

Book has lost 3 games in 3 seasons, what are you talking about? How has Book shown he can't get it done, it's not like he's got awful stats, he's on track to break most ND records aside from probably a few of Quinn's. Book didn't really lose any of those 3 games for us either. We were done against Clemson after the 2nd quarter injuries on defense led to a collapse. Joe Montana wasn't gonna dig us out of a hole against Michigan in the rain, that was a failure top to bottom from the coaches to the players. Book played well enough to win against Georgia, we we're lucky to play it close regardless. It's not like we were favored to win any of those, when was the last time an ND QB didn't drop a game to a lesser team? It's been awhile...a long while prior to Book.



Poor excuse. Winners prepare like they're the starter regardless, that's how you prove it in practice. If he needed the reigns handed to him that's on him and not who I want at QB.

I don’t know if you’re watching the same Book that everyone else is watching. I’m rooting for him, but your defensive posture in the face of overwhelming evidence is tiresome. The fact is Book sucked in those games. Nobody’s winning by scoring 3 pts. Our defense deserved the credit for hanging with UGA, and Book’s limitations were big factors in the loss

 

[ulukinatme]

That's how you end up with the Ian Book's of the world at QB and getting blasted in nearly all big games.

Again, what game has Book cost us? We weren't beating Clemson or Michigan with any QB, those failures existed at a team and coaching level. He played well enough to beat Georgia in their home turf and nearly did. Outside of those? All he does is win.

 

[NorthDakota]

I don’t know if you’re watching the same Book that everyone else is watching. I’m rooting for him, but your defensive posture in the face of overwhelming evidence is tiresome

Id like to see a WAR rating for football quarterbacks. Because yeah Book has a stellar record and I am grateful to him for helping provide some stability at he position, but he's a replacement-level dude at the P5 level.

Phil is doing something we've never seen Book do, look competent against a football factory.

 

[irishtrooper]

Again, what game has Book cost us? We weren't beating Clemson or Michigan with any QB, those failures existed at a team and coaching level. He played well enough to beat Georgia in their home turf and nearly did. Outside of those? All he does is win.

He helps us beat teams we are much more talented than. My problem is he has proven not to be up to the challenge of beating teams with more talent (arguably) than us. The defense has saved Book far more often than the other way around

 

[ulukinatme]

I don’t know if you’re watching the same Book that everyone else is watching. I’m rooting for him, but your defensive posture in the face of overwhelming evidence is tiresome. The fact is Book sucked in those games. Nobody’s winning by scoring 3 pts. Our defense deserved the credit for hanging with UGA, and Book’s limitations were big factors in the loss

Show me a QB that would have won those games, at least the Michigan and Clemson examples. He doesn't exist. QB didn't lose us those games.

 

[ulukinatme]

Id like to see a WAR rating for football quarterbacks. Because yeah Book has a stellar record and I am grateful to him for helping provide some stability at he position, but he's a replacement-level dude at the P5 level.

Phil is doing something we've never seen Book do, look competent against a football factory.

Phil isn't doing anything spectacular here. Clemson should be up 2 TDs at least right now without that fumble on the 1 yard line that was returned. Watch Phil throw, there are a lot of bad passes here where his receivers bail him out. Got lucky his INT got nixed by a penalty, as he did when the Clemson defender lost the fumble he put on the ground last series.

 

[ulukinatme]

Clemson got their heads out of their asses, BC offense has been stymied the whole 3rd quarter, another inaccurate Phil pass leads to a punt.

 

[irishtrooper]

Show me a QB that would have won those games, at least the Michigan and Clemson examples. He doesn't exist. QB didn't lose us those games.

Ummmmmm, we’re watching a QB with an average roster beat up on Clemson. The BC defense may cost them the game, but Phil is making plays - more than that he’s giving his guys chances to make plays. How can you not admit Book’s problems and admit he is in over his head against pressure. He has happy feet and becomes inaccurate under duress. I wish it wasn’t so, but it just is

Look, Phil isn’t perfect. With our roster, we don’t need perfect. We need better than Book though.

Lastly, I’m thankful for the level our program is at currently and Book is a part of that success. He has a great record and I’m thrilled to hopefully enjoy that for years to come. I’m starved for a championship and don’t think Book gets us there. He’s adequate, not enough to beat elite teams. Nobody’s rooting harder for him to succeed (finally) against Clemson than me. I truly hope we play well and Book kills the narrative (he earned) by crapping his pants against good teams that bring pressure.