'18 PA QB Phil Jurkovec (Wherever I May Roam Chud)

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Haha you guys are making me recheck the math. And you’re right. Wrote when it was a Pass vs RB rush. Then sacks and QB scrambles and incompletions plus completions should equal passing plays - sorry for some bad wording. I think he only had one incompletion after halftime technically.

Rereading the rant, intended to relay 10/11 in the second half, 5/11 first half. Box score showed 17/23 not 15/22. Close. I didn’t mean to exaggerate his day as worse than it was. I didn’t keep a journal during the game but when reading the play by play it made sense at the time and I missed one and got one wrong.

I felt a lot of the comments embellished his game more positively than my negative recap and miscalculations. He only ran for 7 yards on carries after figuring in sacks, and I felt a lot were broken plays when watching live. Or more favorably - avoiding pressure in the pocket and if his first option wasn’t there. Tuck it. Hence 6 sacks. I didn’t feel he was making plays all over the place with his legs.

Before I switched over when the ND game started, it was early in the 3rd and before his passing TD (drive NINE), my impression was he struggled. When I watched the recording of the rest of the game after ND was over, he had some nice plays. He went deeper on more throws than Book for sure and ended up with a nice stat line that didn’t tell the whole story is all.

To be fair to Kelly and Book, I know it’s hard, Phil didn’t look all world yet.

Yeah, this was my impression too from just watching parts of the first half. Obviously, I switched channels before he did his best work, and he had one very good drive where he went 80 yards on 4/4 passing. But before that, he was costing his team with sacks and that interception, BC wasn't moving the ball consistently, and they only had 7 points. So I was pretty shocked to see his final stat line and QBR, and it's clear he earned that through some big plays in the second half.
 

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Phil had a good first game, so he deserves credit for that. If he continues completing passes at the rate he did yesterday, we will regret his departure. His true impact will be judged over multiple seasons. So the jury is out.

Book is more of a game manager. Surround him with a solid team and he is efficient most of the time, but he will have terrible games on occasion. He is no Jimmy Clausen. He doesn't have the ability to carry the team on his back when the going gets tough. Whether or not Phil is more valuable to his team than Book is something only time will tell. Personally, I feel Book has been successful because of the talent surrounding him at Notre Dame. I doubt he would be successful surrounded by the talent available at Boston College.
 

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I didn't watch the second half, so this is half-baked at best.

Jurkovec looked really raw to me in that half. LOTS of physicality which occasionally resulted in "star" plays. Other times the plays were nearly disasters.

I'd never evaluate him on this one game let alone this one half. Which way is he going to go? If he evolves to become a turnover and sacked-man liability, that's one way. If he gets out of his "natural" jock-it-up-slightly-outside-the-system behavior and calms down into a superman-only-when-needed QB, then who knows how high he can fly?

Jury-on-Jurkovec: OUT.
 

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Haha you guys are making me recheck the math. And you’re right. Wrote when it was a Pass vs RB rush. Then sacks and QB scrambles and incompletions plus completions should equal passing plays - sorry for some bad wording. I think he only had one incompletion after halftime technically.

Rereading the rant, intended to relay 10/11 in the second half, 5/11 first half. Box score showed 17/23 not 15/22. Close. I didn’t mean to exaggerate his day as worse than it was. I didn’t keep a journal during the game but when reading the play by play it made sense at the time and I missed one and got one wrong.

I felt a lot of the comments embellished his game more positively than my negative recap and miscalculations. He only ran for 7 yards on carries after figuring in sacks, and I felt a lot were broken plays when watching live. Or more favorably - avoiding pressure in the pocket and if his first option wasn’t there. Tuck it. Hence 6 sacks. I didn’t feel he was making plays all over the place with his legs.

Before I switched over when the ND game started, it was early in the 3rd and before his passing TD (drive NINE), my impression was he struggled. When I watched the recording of the rest of the game after ND was over, he had some nice plays. He went deeper on more throws than Book for sure and ended up with a nice stat line that didn’t tell the whole story is all.

To be fair to Kelly and Book, I know it’s hard, Phil didn’t look all world yet.

Not to belabor, but I'd add in some really bad/busted plays. That one busted coverage TD throw for 60+ was about as busted as busted could be. They count though.

I'm cheering for the kid though. He plays UNC in two weeks, and that should be a good gauge of his progress.
 

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After watching Phil's highlights yesterday I am neither impressed nor disappointed...they played Duke. They play Texas State next weekend. I want to see how Phil does against real competition.
 

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He's also got a much less talented offensive team around him than he would have had at ND. Will be an interesting subplot to follow this season.
 

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After watching Phil's highlights yesterday I am neither impressed nor disappointed...they played Duke. They play Texas State next weekend. I want to see how Phil does against real competition.

When 5* Philure carves up a lowely Texas St. defense next week
IE: "ZOMG, so good! 1st round talent!"
 

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After watching Phil's highlights yesterday I am neither impressed nor disappointed...they played Duke. They play Texas State next weekend. I want to see how Phil does against real competition.

It was on the road against the same team we played where Book sucked balls and he lights it up with some real deal throws and some nice runs. Duke was favored in this game and we were not. He isn't going to be the Heisman trophy winner but looked better in every sense than happy feet Book. Book still missed the easy layup to McKinnley over the middle wide open. By the time we pay them he will have better numbers all around than Book.
 

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C'mon man, I watched it too. Limit the hyperbole. Phil threw a pick on a deep ball, into double coverage behind the receiver. He also over threw some short out routes...just to name a few of passes he did miss.

He lead an offense that was 4-12 on 3rd down, fumbled on a strip sack which his OL recovered, and took 5 additional sacks (BC has a touted, veteran OL with plenty of preseason hype, Book took half as many sacks with a good OL against the same D).

How about Duke committing 5 turnovers playing a roll in field position, momentum, and opportunities? BC only outgained them by 30 yards. To compare how ND fared against the same team: more yards, more first downs, and more points. I get games are turning into Book vs Phil, but the first half of this game in particular, Phil struggled.

-1st drive, 10 plays, 8 rushes, 2 pass, one complete, one miss, the WR made some nice moves after the catch, rush TD
-2nd drive, 2 plays, 1 rush, 1 pass, INT
-3rd drive, 3 plays, 2 rushes for short gains, 3rd down held the ball too long, sack, 3 and out
-4th drive, 4 plays, 2 rushes for short gains again, a designed pass play broke down and he tucked it for a few yards, and missed a throw on 4th down, turnover on downs
-5th drive, 9 plays, 4 rushes, 5 pass, 2 complete, 2 misses, and took a sack, punt
-6th drive, 7 plays, 1 designed QB run, 6 pass, 2 complete, 1 miss, 2 sacks, 1 nice run, punt
HALFTIME
-7th drive, 5 plays, 3 rush, 2 pass, 1 complete, 1 miss, punt
-8th drive, 3 plays, 2 rush, 1 pass, sack, FG
-9th drive, 4 plays, 4 passes, 4 completions, pass TD
-10th drive, 1 play, 1 pass, 1 completion, pass TD - busted coverage, wide open
-11th drive, 13 plays, 6 rush, 7 pass, 4 complete, 2 scrambles, 1 sack, FG
-12th drive, 4 plays, 4 rush, end of game

His overall stats look nice at the end, but you couldn't have watched the same game as me, unless you were wearing anti-Book bias glasses. He had 2 nice drives, found the open receiver on broken coverage on another, and handed off during a strong running drive, so 4 of 11 were positive?

Now I'm not a Book supporter. I believe with Austin, Lenzy, Johnson, Skowronek, Watts, McKinley, and Wilkins there is talent at WR and there is certainly talent at TE with Tremble and Mayer as receiving options. So unfortunately, we are most talent deficient, of all positions, at QB. I'm just not so sure Phil was the answer due to how he handled his business. All serious QBs early enroll now, that didn't help from the start. And to be the man, you have to beat the man. He was playing catch with Kyle Hamilton during scrimmages instead of developing positive reads and results during practice opportunities. He wasn't preparing like they wished/wanted. In summary, he never MADE the coaches put the young guy with potential in over the incumbent player.

17-23 300 yards under pressure, one mistake the pass into double coverage for sure. First game looked better than any Book played last year. Not sure what the QB rating was. Some nice runs and athleticism. Would have been nice to see him given a real chance. If that was first game luck and he tanks going forward then ok but doesn't look like it.
 

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Huge comeback win over the big boys of Texas State.


In all seriousness, Phil did a good job the last go ahead drive.
 

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Huge comeback win over the big boys of Texas State.


In all seriousness, Phil did a good job the last go ahead drive.


So are you saying the coach staff made a mistake rolling with Book over PJ?


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When you need late game heroics to beat one of the worst Group of 5 teams in FBS...ouch.
 

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So are you saying the coach staff made a mistake rolling with Book over PJ?


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No lol. Phil looked mediocre the first three quarters. Actually more Book-like than Book with the short passes. His AVG has to be crazy low. He ran good at times, but also took a few big sacks.
 

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Based on this game now I’m back on the Book wagon. His last two drives were good but looked like something from Book with very short dinks and doinks. Still they got the job done. Gonna be interesting when he plays tougher Ds like us. I predict 9 sacks that day which is less than he had in his last blue gold game.
 

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No lol. Phil looked mediocre the first three quarters. Actually more Book-like than Book with the short passes. His AVG has to be crazy low. He ran good at times, but also took a few big sacks.

Exactly. Texas St really went vanilla in those last two drives. It was as if they decided there was no way these guys could beat them with a short passing game. But that’s all BC has.

Phil is a taller, less experienced version of Book. Always takes the check down. Phil can run but is is not nimble in avoiding the rush.
 

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Exactly. Texas St really went vanilla in those last two drives. It was as if they decided there was no way these guys could beat them with a short passing game. But that’s all BC has.

Phil is a taller, less experienced version of Book. Always takes the check down. Phil can run but is is not nimble in avoiding the rush.

He has had a few flashes at times. Not going to judge him on one year, but I did think he'd look better vs TSU.

Based on this game now I’m back on the Book wagon. His last two drives were good but looked like something from Book with very short dinks and doinks. Still they got the job done. Gonna be interesting when he plays tougher Ds like us. I predict 9 sacks that day which is less than he had in his last blue gold game.

I can understand more and more why Book got the nod. Not saying PJ won't end up being better with more experience, but not looking better vs a team like TSU really says a lot. I still think he might show something in time. I just see now why he wasn't the obvious choice.
 

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I thought he looked great when they let him go no-huddle and up-tempo on the last two drives. He’s definitely a creator more than a progression guy.

Of course, it was Texas State, and they gave the game away with three (four?) bad personal foul penalties over the course of the fourth quarter, but still... Phil looks good when they let him move around and create throwing lanes.

He’s also got a good connection with their TE, who looks really good.

Good for Phil.
 

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I thought he looked great when they let him go no-huddle and up-tempo on the last two drives. He’s definitely a creator more than a progression guy.

Of course, it was Texas State, and they gave the game away with three (four?) bad personal foul penalties over the course of the fourth quarter, but still... Phil looks good when they let him move around and create throwing lanes.

He’s also got a good connection with their TE, who looks really good.

Good for Phil.

BC welcomes UNC this Saturday.
UNC has the #3 D. #4 passing D, and #7 run D. Their O isn't bad either.
I know it's early season stats, and a weird year, but Phil will need to step it up.
 

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He was absolutely terrible in that game. 5.5 YPA and a QBR of 50.8 against a bad Group of 5 team.

BC next plays three decent teams in a row -- UNC, Pitt, Virginia Tech -- which are the ones to really watch.
 

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He was absolutely terrible in that game. 5.5 YPA and a QBR of 50.8 against a bad Group of 5 team.

BC next plays three decent teams in a row -- UNC, Pitt, Virginia Tech -- which are the ones to really watch.


I watched some of the Pitt game yesterday and their defense is pretty nasty. They can rush the pass with 4 down linemen and they may have the best safety duo in the whole country; some familiar names in Ford and Hamlin. And their corners especially gulp Jason Pinnock are very good. They are going to cause problems for Book and will terrorize Phil.


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I've got nothing against Jurkovec. On the other hand, I've got nothing FOR him either. He didn't earn the Notre Dame Warrior Brotherhood badge which gets me cheering for our old Irish guys. And while his childishness and lack of "generosity" when he left can be forgiven as the product of immaturity, that doesn't earn any "nice boy" points either. So ... whatever is, is. He, to me, is just another guy QBing a rival football team who I want us to beat.
 

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I've got nothing against Jurkovec. On the other hand, I've got nothing FOR him either. He didn't earn the Notre Dame Warrior Brotherhood badge which gets me cheering for our old Irish guys. And while his childishness and lack of "generosity" when he left can be forgiven as the product of immaturity, that doesn't earn any "nice boy" points either. So ... whatever is, is. He, to me, is just another guy QBing a rival football team who I want us to beat.

Well said.
 

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I've got nothing against Jurkovec. On the other hand, I've got nothing FOR him either. He didn't earn the Notre Dame Warrior Brotherhood badge which gets me cheering for our old Irish guys. And while his childishness and lack of "generosity" when he left can be forgiven as the product of immaturity, that doesn't earn any "nice boy" points either. So ... whatever is, is. He, to me, is just another guy QBing a rival football team who I want us to beat.

I'm the same. I would say that some may think he was treated unfairly so have more love for him. Those folks likely think he was the better QB and didn't get a fair shake. That's looking more and more like it's not the case. Anyway, I wish him well, will follow out of curiosity, but really don't care all that much.
 

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Phil got through his appetizers portion of the schedule. Let's see how he does against the meat and potatoes portion of the schedule.
 

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I’m not sure how anyone could think PJ was better than Book as we hardly saw him. Also, can’t get too down on his performance (relative to Book) as his line and weapons are nowhere near what he would have had at ND. Can’t imagine Book with a poor pass blocking OL as he bails with good protection.
 

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I thought he looked great when they let him go no-huddle and up-tempo on the last two drives. He’s definitely a creator more than a progression guy.

Of course, it was Texas State, and they gave the game away with three (four?) bad personal foul penalties over the course of the fourth quarter, but still... Phil looks good when they let him move around and create throwing lanes.

He’s also got a good connection with their TE, who looks really good.

Good for Phil.

Yeah, I've never seen consecutive targeting calls on 2 punts, although the 2nd was overtuned. That roughing the QB call was on an incomplete 3rd down pass; they would have had to take 3 without it.

As far as the tight end goes, say hi to Kyle Hamilton buddy, he will be accompaning you at the game today.
 

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I've got nothing against Jurkovec. On the other hand, I've got nothing FOR him either. He didn't earn the Notre Dame Warrior Brotherhood badge which gets me cheering for our old Irish guys. And while his childishness and lack of "generosity" when he left can be forgiven as the product of immaturity, that doesn't earn any "nice boy" points either. So ... whatever is, is. He, to me, is just another guy QBing a rival football team who I want us to beat.
This, but like I wouldn't mind if he spent the entire game on his backside.

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