'16 MI OLB Daelin Hayes (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[NDWorld247]

So I understand this way of thinking but I also think there is another side to this that is relevant. What about the coaches and their families. Coaches are pulled away from their families at great lengths to coach their team and recruit. There should be some semblance of respect for their time. The reality is some of these kids just tell everybody what they want to hear even if it isn't the truth. I'm not saying that is happening here but if the interest isn't legitimate then tell the coach so he can move on and spend his time with a prospect that might appreciate it, as he's not able to spend that time with his family. Think about the countless hours that were spent on Eddie V for him to basically give the coaches a big F you. Again, not saying thats the case but I do wish more kids gave a crap about that perspective then there own self absorbed interests.

End rant.

I hear where you're coming from, but I have very little sympathy for the coaches who are being paid handsomely for their time and effort on the field and in recruiting. No one is forcing them to choose this profession and they know what they are signing up for.

And what about the slime ball coaches that feed these kids bullshit, pressure kids to commit or string them along only to rescind offers or not offer at all? I like to believe these guys don't exist at ND, but these KIDS are dealing with more than just ND and don't have the perspective that some of us ADULTS have. The reality is many recruits don't have a Luckylucci at home to guide them through the process.

I think it goes both ways too - players that waste a coach's time and coaches that waste a player's time. Is it really necessary for coaches to constantly blow kids up on the phone, text, twitter, etc.? Talk about wasting someone's time. It's all part of the process though. Hate the game, not the players.

One more point...so much goes on behind the scenes, for players and coaches/programs, that we aren't privy too. I think it's tough to judge a kid based on some media reports, "insider" info, or quotes after a visit. Sometimes (e.g. EV, Chris Clark), those judgments prove to be accurate, but there's often more to the story than we know. And, if my son were ever in this position, you better believe we'd be "self-absorbed" and take all the time we need to make the right decision.

 

[GreenSox04]

I hear where you're coming from, but I have very little sympathy for the coaches who are being paid handsomely for their time and effort on the field and in recruiting. No one is forcing them to choose this profession and they know what they are signing up for.

And what about the slime ball coaches that feed these kids bullshit, pressure kids to commit or string them along only to rescind offers or not offer at all? I like to believe these guys don't exist at ND, but these KIDS are dealing with more than just ND and don't have the perspective that some of us ADULTS have. The reality is many recruits don't have a Luckylucci at home to guide them through the process.

I think it goes both ways too - players that waste a coach's time and coaches that waste a player's time. Is it really necessary for coaches to constantly blow kids up on the phone, text, twitter, etc.? Talk about wasting someone's time. It's all part of the process though. Hate the game, not the players.

One more point...so much goes on behind the scenes, for players and coaches/programs, that we aren't privy too. I think it's tough to judge a kid based on some media reports, "insider" info, or quotes after a visit. Sometimes (e.g. EV, Chris Clark), those judgments prove to be accurate, but there's often more to the story than we know. And, if my son were ever in this position, you better believe we'd be "self-absorbed" and take all the time we need to make the right decision.

This is the camp to be in.

 

[Luckylucci]

I hear where you're coming from, but I have very little sympathy for the coaches who are being paid handsomely for their time and effort on the field and in recruiting. No one is forcing them to choose this profession and they know what they are signing up for.

And what about the slime ball coaches that feed these kids bullshit, pressure kids to commit or string them along only to rescind offers or not offer at all? I like to believe these guys don't exist at ND, but these KIDS are dealing with more than just ND and don't have the perspective that some of us ADULTS have. The reality is many recruits don't have a Luckylucci at home to guide them through the process.

I think it goes both ways too - players that waste a coach's time and coaches that waste a player's time. Is it really necessary for coaches to constantly blow kids up on the phone, text, twitter, etc.? Talk about wasting someone's time. It's all part of the process though. Hate the game, not the players.

One more point...so much goes on behind the scenes, for players and coaches/programs, that we aren't privy too. I think it's tough to judge a kid based on some media reports, "insider" info, or quotes after a visit. Sometimes (e.g. EV, Chris Clark), those judgments prove to be accurate, but there's often more to the story than we know. And, if my son were ever in this position, you better believe we'd be "self-absorbed" and take all the time we need to make the right decision.

First of all, I have to respectfully disagree with this thought process. I get paid well for my job, that doesn't mean that clients reserve the right to be assholes. If I'm treating them with respect then I deserve respect, money has nothing to do with it. Same goes for all professions. Money is relative, respect isn't.

I didn't think I needed to preface my statement but apparently I should've. Of course, what I said is relevant to the coaches that are doing it the right way. Didn't think that needed to be said. Yes, I put ND coaches in that category because of all that I've gathered, I think they deserve that credit. I have a hard time believing that guys like Lyght, Denson, Denbrock, Sanford, etc. are not conducting themselves in that manner.

The previous post isn't about time. The post is talking about saying one thing and doing another or essentially lying. I also specifically said that this isn't necessarily directed at Daelin but I think there is enough data points that show, he's telling a lot of people different information. Which is a polite way of saying "lying".

Lastly, I'm all for kids taking there time and doing there due diligence. I have no problem with the way that Javon McKinley is conducting his recruitment whether he chooses ND or not.

 

[gkIrish]

I think players that treat their recruitment like a soap opera aren't worth the time. But if the coaches decide to pursue a kid who likes drama, then I don't really feel bad for those coaches---they know what they are getting into.

That's why I think going after guys like Davonte Neal and Eddie Vanderdoes were huge mistakes from the get-go because the clearly loved drama. Now I personally was really into both those guys and wanted them to come to ND but the coaches should have known it wouldn't work out.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think players that treat their recruitment like a soap opera aren't worth the time. But if the coaches decide to pursue a kid who likes drama, then I don't really feel bad for those coaches---they know what they are getting into.

That's why I think going after guys like Davonte Neal and Eddie Vanderdoes were huge mistakes from the get-go because the clearly loved drama. Now I personally was really into both those guys and wanted them to come to ND but the coaches should have known it wouldn't work out.

And I think thats very fair to say.

 

[NDWorld247]

First of all, I have to respectfully disagree with this thought process. I get paid well for my job, that doesn't mean that clients reserve the right to be assholes. If I'm treating them with respect then I deserve respect, money has nothing to do with it. Same goes for all professions. Money is relative, respect isn't.

Ok, I agree with this point and I agree with your previous point about players being upfront with coaches about their interest in a school. But, coaches are being paid to coach and recruit. They have full control over their time. No one is forcing them to spend X amount of time recruiting a kid that doesn't have interest in their school. If a coach can't see through that, that's on him, not a 16-18 yr old kid.

I didn't think I needed to preface my statement but apparently I should've. Of course, what I said is relevant to the coaches that are doing it the right way. Didn't think that needed to be said. Yes, I put ND coaches in that category because of all that I've gathered, I think they deserve that credit. I have a hard time believing that guys like Lyght, Denson, Denbrock, Sanford, etc. are not conducting themselves in that manner.

It's a lot easier for you and I to make this distinction than it is for a 16-18yr old kid. Unfortunately, I think the number of guys doing it "the right way" is miniscule compared to the number of coaches currently recruiting HS football players. How are these KIDS supposed to know who to trust and who not to trust?

The previous post isn't about time. The post is talking about saying one thing and doing another or essentially lying. I also specifically said that this isn't necessarily directed at Daelin but I think there is enough data points that show, he's telling a lot of people different information. Which is a polite way of saying "lying".

So, is this about Daelin or not? I know you said it wasn't necessarily about him, but it sure sounds like it is. Is Daelin being disrespectful to our staff by wasting their time (as defined in your first paragraph)? If so, I respectfully disagree and revert back to my first post on this. I have no sympathy for the staff or the time they are "wasting". I also don't believe he's "lying" to them, regardless of what he tells a few reporters, and don't know how anyone could come to that conclusion without being privy to the conversations he's had with the staff.

 

[GoIrish41]

All I know is that I'm going to be happy if ND lands this kid.

 

[IrishLion]

There are two options as to how this recruitment has unfolded:

1. Daelin is looking for a reason to go anywhere other than ND. First it was USC/ND, then USC is off the table, and suddenly MSU and OSU are in the picture. He had every reason to make the easy decision and pick ND, but didn't pull the trigger, and instead opened up the process more.

2. Daelin is looking for a way to inject some life into the "process," since the choice will obviously be ND. He is decided on ND, but wants to actually finish going through "the process" for the experience and to make it not seem so obvious, and so he added the interest in OSU and MSU.

 

[ND NYC]

Re: the coaches having to deal with these fickle kids:

"Its the business they've chosen..."
-Hyman Roth

 

[GoIrish41]

There are two options as to how this recruitment has unfolded:

1. Daelin is looking for a reason to go anywhere other than ND. First it was USC/ND, then USC is off the table, and suddenly MSU and OSU are in the picture. He had every reason to make the easy decision and pick ND, but didn't pull the trigger, and instead opened up the process more.

2. Daelin is looking for a way to inject some life into the "process," since the choice will obviously be ND. He is decided on ND, but wants to actually finish going through "the process" for the experience and to make it not seem so obvious, and so he added the interest in OSU and MSU.

3. Daelin has not yet made up his mind yet and wants to gather as much information as possible before making a decision that will impact the rest of his life. He's a bit excitable and some believe he should let the excitement of a visit fade a bit before publicly commenting.

 

[Irish#1]

So I understand this way of thinking but I also think there is another side to this that is relevant. What about the coaches and their families. Coaches are pulled away from their families at great lengths to coach their team and recruit. There should be some semblance of respect for their time. The reality is some of these kids just tell everybody what they want to hear even if it isn't the truth. I'm not saying that is happening here but if the interest isn't legitimate then tell the coach so he can move on and spend his time with a prospect that might appreciate it, as he's not able to spend that time with his family. Think about the countless hours that were spent on Eddie V for him to basically give the coaches a big F you. Again, not saying thats the case but I do wish more kids gave a crap about that perspective then there own self absorbed interests.

End rant.

As we all know, not every teenage has the wisdom and maturity of an adult who has experienced life.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

3. Daelin has not yet made up his mind yet and wants to gather as much information as possible before making a decision that will impact the rest of his life. He's a bit excitable and some believe he should let the excitement of a visit fade a bit before publicly commenting.

Get out of here with this far-fetched bullsh!t.

 

[Irish#1]

What i don't get is, he went from not ever mentioning Ohio State and only talking about USC and Notre Dame to now only focusing on Michigan State, Ohio State, and Notre Dame. He now believes in Urban Meyer does he not know what he did at Florida or Ohio State. If we get him cool if not whatever i don't care. I think he just loves the attention.

Maybe it's the ice cream theory. Kid fell in love with Chocolate and Chocolate Fudge. Then one day he grew tired of Chocolate so he tried Chocolate Chip and loved it. Now he's thinking, "Chocolate Chip was a great surprise, I wondered what Vanilla Bean taste like?", so he tries it and falls in love with it. Now he's thinking "Chocolate Fudge, Chocolate Chip or Vanilla Bean. They're all so good, which one do I choose?"

 

[GoIrish41]

Maybe it's the ice cream theory. Kid fell in love with Chocolate and Chocolate Fudge. Then one day he grew tired of Chocolate so he tried Chocolate Chip and loved it. Now he's thinking, "Chocolate Chip was a great surprise, I wondered what Vanilla Bean taste like?", so he tries it and falls in love with it. Now he's thinking "Chocolate Fudge, Chocolate Chip or Vanilla Bean. They're all so good, which one do I choose?"

I'll have a scoop of that logic.

 

[IrishLion]

3. Daelin has not yet made up his mind yet and wants to gather as much information as possible before making a decision that will impact the rest of his life. He's a bit excitable and some believe he should let the excitement of a visit fade a bit before publicly commenting.

For many kids I give them the benefit of the doubt in this regard.

But when it's down to two schools, ND and USC, and then one is eliminated, and yet the next logical choice is suddenly not the logical choice?

I find it difficult to believe that it's simply a matter of doing their due diligence, and more that there's a reason for adding additional schools when the choice seemed so clear.

 

[TDHeysus]

not coming to ND

 

[connor_in]

not coming to ND

feeling? source? magic 8-ball?

 

[Cali_domer]

not coming to ND

Also has never been in my kitchen.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

not coming to ND

you're not?

 

[ab2cmiller]

Also has never been in my kitchen.

Archibald Leach, Bernard Schwartz and Lucille LeSueur

Classic

 

[ND NYC]

Archibald Leach, Bernard Schwartz and Lucille LeSueur

Classic

are u talking about Bernie Schwartz of Loral?

 

[ozzman]

Also has never been in my kitchen.

 

[GBdomer]

not coming to ND

Sounds good, someone let the staff know so they stop recruiting him

 

[OCIrish]

Sounds good, someone let the staff know so they stop recruiting him

Hehehe.....this made me chuckle!!!

 

[irishandy]

Are we losing momentum w/ him?

 

[Crazy Balki]

Guess he was a sherbert guy all along...

 

[RyCo1983]

Guess he was a sherbert guy all along...

Sherbet is for sissies and girly men.

Needs to hit up the Moose Tracks.


I for one would welcome his addition to this class regardless of his frozen treat of choice.

 

[TDHeysus]

Sounds good, someone let the staff know so they stop recruiting him

The staff shouldn't stop recruiting him, but there are some ppl that don't have to get their panties all in a bunch over this kid because he isn't coming to ND.

 

[Booslum31]

The staff shouldn't stop recruiting him, but there are some ppl that don't have to get their panties all in a bunch over this kid because he isn't coming to ND.

I still hope that he comes to ND. You seem certain that he's not...is that for sure?

 

[NDhoosier]

I still hope that he comes to ND. You seem certain that he's not...is that for sure?

its his opinion, this recruitment is still up in the air. People were just hoping that he would be locked up and committed by now.