'16 MI OLB Daelin Hayes (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[GBdomer]

The staff shouldn't stop recruiting him, but there are some ppl that don't have to get their panties all in a bunch over this kid because he isn't coming to ND.

Honestly what are you talking about? Did he say he wasn't coming?

 

[koonja]

247 - returning to OSU for this week's game. Quotes from today:

“It was great man, “The point of emphasis was consistency. They believe in me. That’s huge.”

“Just how comfortable I am there,” “They were the first school to start recruiting me. I know the coaching staff well, I’ve been up there a thousand times, I know the players, I’m very comfortable, feels like home. That’s huge. When you’re comfortable and you know what the deal is and you trust the coaches, I believe it makes you play better. It’s like playing in high school. You know the guys there. You don’t have to remake friends, it’s comfortable, you come in and get to work

“That and being so close to home, I think it would help.”

“It was great, we went out and bowled and had fun,”
“I had a great time, very comfortable with the guys.”

“I might have my official (decision) date sometime this week or next week,”

 

[GBdomer]

This one would suck losing

 

[IrishLax]

This one would suck losing

Would it?

 

[brewdog_14527]

Is it me or is this a recruitment about star value? No offense to the kid, but I believe that it has been stated that he has played 5.5 quarters of varsity football, due to injuries. I know that he looked good in the shorts/tshirt camp circuit, but I am not sure that I can get that upset if he decides to go elsewhere.

 

[longliveautrydenson]

247 - returning to OSU for this week's game. Quotes from today:

“It was great man, “The point of emphasis was consistency. They believe in me. That’s huge.”

“Just how comfortable I am there,” “They were the first school to start recruiting me. I know the coaching staff well, I’ve been up there a thousand times, I know the players, I’m very comfortable, feels like home. That’s huge. When you’re comfortable and you know what the deal is and you trust the coaches, I believe it makes you play better. It’s like playing in high school. You know the guys there. You don’t have to remake friends, it’s comfortable, you come in and get to work

“That and being so close to home, I think it would help.”

“It was great, we went out and bowled and had fun,”
“I had a great time, very comfortable with the guys.”

“I might have my official (decision) date sometime this week or next week,”

This if officially the last time I click or comment on a Daelin Hayes bump. Later kid.

 

[OCIrish]

Is it me or is this a recruitment about star value? No offense to the kid, but I believe that it has been stated that he has played 5.5 quarters of varsity football, due to injuries. I know that he looked good in the shorts/tshirt camp circuit, but I am not sure that I can get that upset if he decides to go elsewhere.

This is where I'm at........especially the last sentence!

 

[GBdomer]

This one would suck losing

I think if healthy this kid could be a difference maker for this class. The staff really wants him and that's good enough for me. what do you think? I know some people want this recruitment wrapped up but everyone wanted this kid and now that he's not committed to ND now we don't want him? Can't have it both ways and my comment wasn't directed at you but many people are saying we shouldn't take him because he's not committed to ND at this point. He doesn't owe us anything

 

[NDdomer2]

This one would suck losing

I think if healthy this kid could be a difference maker for this class. The staff really wants him and that's good enough for me. Why what do you think? I know some people want this recruitment wrapped up but everyone wanted this kid and now that he's not committed to ND now we don't want him? Can't have it both ways and my comment wasn't directed at you but many people are saying we shouldn't take him because he's not committed to ND at this point. He doesn't owe us anything

What do you think? lol

 

[GBdomer]

Hemoldt thinks ND still will be the team he chooses

 

[GBdomer]

What do you think? lol

Ooooo calm down you know what I meant.

 

[NDdomer2]

Ooooo calm down you know what I meant.

Just found it funny, looked like asking yourself a question.

 

[GBdomer]

Just found it funny, looked like asking yourself a question.

Lol I know I'm an idiot.

 

[Henges24]

Honestly reading those quotes above, if he chooses ND now it's because Meyer wouldn't take his commitment due to the big question mark he carries with him. IMO obviously.

 

[TDHeysus]

Honestly what are you talking about? Did he say he wasn't coming?

sorry if mislead anyone in thinking that I have some insider information about this kid, i've been for the most part staying out of this thread.

I've been following ND and ND recruiting too long and I know that this kid is not coming to ND. I am as sure of this, as I was about Ykili Ross when he was swaying between USC and ND and his thread took a similar path as this thread (in that thread, as in this thread I have been saying pretty much from day 1 that he wont committ here). I don't claim to know all this or that about recruiting, but I know when a kid is not the right fit on multiple fronts for ND.

Just from what I have seen and read about this kid, his personality doesn't fit the university, the players, or the mission at Notre Dame.

its just not gonna happen.

Am I saying the coaches should stop recruiting him? Nope....you must always get in your Due Diligence, but that doesn't mean its going to make a difference in getting him to committ.

 

[Wingman Ray]

1275 posts on a broken bat that will probably never play meaningful snaps at any college program.

ND needs to move on from this guy. Let Urban Liar have the guy and burn a scholarship.

 

[OCIrish]

I think if healthy this kid could be a difference maker for this class. The staff really wants him and that's good enough for me. what do you think? I know some people want this recruitment wrapped up but everyone wanted this kid and now that he's not committed to ND now we don't want him? Can't have it both ways and my comment wasn't directed at you but many people are saying we shouldn't take him because he's not committed to ND at this point. He doesn't owe us anything

GB, I do not disagree with anything you've stated here.....at all. I do think he could be special IF he can stay healthy. I'm just not sure I see that happening with Daelin. He's a special talent in t-shirt & shorts, however, he's not played enough physical football to say he can/will stay healthy going forward. I generally trust the coaches judgement when it comes to recruiting, and I wouldn't be unhappy per se if he ends up making ND his final choice, but would definitely reserve final judgment till he played meaningful minutes in college.

 

[Calabrese's People]

Hurdles for the kid to overcome:
1. History with injuries to a region that absorbs a lot of trauma/contact as a OLB or DE.
2. Serious lack of onfield gametime (instincts, coaching, technique, repetition learning etc).
3. Pressure of being a high-star ranking, but needing time to catch up to his classmates. That needs a strong mental character and inner-confidence, and im not sure if ive seen that from Daelin (based on his recruiting antics).

 

[drake29]

Some of you guys are acting like complete pansies. This kid is a stud. Hope he picks ND.

 

[Irish#1]

Some of you guys are acting like complete pansies. This kid is a stud. Hope he picks ND.

Just setting the table for when he picks someone else, we can say we didn't want him anyway!

Of course if he picks ND, it will be a huge pickup.

That's how we roll around here! lol

 

[TomHaverford]

Just setting the table for when he picks someone else, we can say we didn't want him anyway!

Of course if he picks ND, it will be a huge pickup.

That's how we roll around here! lol

except the people saying it aren't wrong.

There's no such thing as a sure-thing in recruiting, there are very few defensive players like Jaylon Smith's or Jabirll Peppers in any given class. Hayes actually probably does have the athletic talent for his position to be on that kind of level, like those guys he's an exceptional athlete, almost freakish, but he's got nowhere near the experience, instincts, or production in HS that those dudes did. The near sure-thing lock guys like Smith and Peppers are extremely rare. It's pretty obvious that Hayes isn't in that category.

He's the ultimate boom or bust prospect. Definitely worth a roster spot, but he's no sure thing, he's not an immediate impact player. He wouldn't be a huge miss- like if ND was recruiting Jaylon Smith and they missed on him- that'd have been a huge miss.

 

[Domina Nostra]

except the people saying it aren't wrong.

There's no such thing as a sure-thing in recruiting, there are very few defensive players like Jaylon Smith's or Jabirll Peppers in any given class. Hayes actually probably does have the athletic talent for his position to be on that kind of level, like those guys he's an exceptional athlete, almost freakish, but he's got nowhere near the experience, instincts, or production in HS that those dudes did. The near sure-thing lock guys like Smith and Peppers are extremely rare. It's pretty obvious that Hayes isn't in that category.

He's the ultimate boom or bust prospect. Definitely worth a roster spot, but he's no sure thing, he's not an immediate impact player. He wouldn't be a huge miss- like if ND was recruiting Jaylon Smith and they missed on him- that'd have been a huge miss.

This. It would be great to have him, but no one is losing sleep if we lose out on him. He's not Jaylon, or Manti, or Clausen. He's not even Lynch or Nix. He's a kid with a huge upside that has been injured for his entire career.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Some of you guys are acting like complete pansies. This kid is a stud. Hope he picks ND.

Great way to start your argument.

I hope he picks ND too, if for nothing else that it looks good on the resume to beat OSU for a recruit. Anyway, since you are so absolutely sure of what a stud he is, can you point me to the film of all the high school games he dominated? Thanks.

 

[Luckylucci]

Some of you guys are acting like complete pansies. This kid is a stud. Hope he picks ND.

He's a lottery ticket. Exceptional athlete with very little HS production. If he ends up in this class, he'll be one of the least productive defensive HS players that we sign. Really think about that. I wouldn't call that a stud. Studs produce stats. Could he end up being an exceptional DE or LB in college, sure but there are so many "realistic" defensive prospects I'd rather have than Hayes if I had a choice.

Fuller
Hamlin
Studstill
McCulloch
Fox
Brandon Burton
Hansford
Pride Jr.

 

[nd1989]

Reminds me of Shane Morris at Michigan. Was offered as a sophomore and accepted, started and was ok as a soph (95 ypg)/junior (140 ypg), Played one game senior year (had mono).

Not quite the 5 star cred you would expect!

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

except the people saying it aren't wrong.

There's no such thing as a sure-thing in recruiting, there are very few defensive players like Jaylon Smith's or Jabirll Peppers in any given class. Hayes actually probably does have the athletic talent for his position to be on that kind of level, like those guys he's an exceptional athlete, almost freakish, but he's got nowhere near the experience, instincts, or production in HS that those dudes did. The near sure-thing lock guys like Smith and Peppers are extremely rare. It's pretty obvious that Hayes isn't in that category.

He's the ultimate boom or bust prospect. Definitely worth a roster spot, but he's no sure thing, he's not an immediate impact player. He wouldn't be a huge miss- like if ND was recruiting Jaylon Smith and they missed on him- that'd have been a huge miss.

This. We see guys every year with 5* athleticism that do nothing in college. Not to say he can't be, but nothing outside of his SPARQ numbers has really been impressive. Still absolutely a take on measurables alone, but for all we know at this point he's the next George Atkinson III.

 

[drake29]

Great way to start your argument.

I hope he picks ND too, if for nothing else that it looks good on the resume to beat OSU for a recruit. Anyway, since you are so absolutely sure of what a stud he is, can you point me to the film of all the high school games he dominated? Thanks.

Okay, you want my 'argument'? Every year this board (and others) prop up a bunch of unpolished or untested 15 and 16 year old kids. I'm fine with following the ups and downs of recruiting. I don't like it when ND gets flat out beat for a recruit, but if they choose another school - which 99.9% of kids will do - I don't get bent out of shape and start making excuses. When things were looking great to land Hayes the first go around, everyone wanted him. Then he picks SC and things die down, some people dog him for making HIS choice. Rumors start to fly that he's looking at other schools, ND specifically, and almost everyone is back on the band wagon. Now that he's taking visits and it doesn't look well for ND - he's a high risk/high reward, hasn't played enough, doesn't care about school, his head is in the clouds, enjoys the process too much, etc. It's a joke. Just because this kid has had to deal with a few nagging injuries and compliments every school he visits people think it's cool to trash him. May he bust in college? Perhaps. But so could any kid in the country. He doesn't have game film dominating a bunch of undersized high school kids, but he does have compliments from national analysts in a camp setting with the best high school athletes in the country - chasing much smaller players all over the field with ease. That's what makes him an impressive prospect. If he stays healthy, he's got the size/athleticism to play multiple positions at a very high level and seems to be a bright/intelligent young man. Why wouldn't you want that player on campus, and why do we assume he's less of a decent human being if he doesn't pick ND?

 

[drake29]

Reminds me of Shane Morris at Michigan. Was offered as a sophomore and accepted, started and was ok as a soph (95 ypg)/junior (140 ypg), Played one game senior year (had mono).

Not quite the 5 star cred you would expect!

Morris had an absolute cannon for an arm but that's about it. His 5 star ranking was a by product of his commitment to Michigan. He was never an accurate passer - basically a smaller version of Dayne Crist.

 

[dad4aa]

Okay, you want my 'argument'? Every year this board (and others) prop up a bunch of unpolished or untested 15 and 16 year old kids. I'm fine with following the ups and downs of recruiting. I don't like it when ND gets flat out beat for a recruit, but if they choose another school - which 99.9% of kids will do - I don't get bent out of shape and start making excuses. When things were looking great to land Hayes the first go around, everyone wanted him. Then he picks SC and things die down, some people dog him for making HIS choice. Rumors start to fly that he's looking at other schools, ND specifically, and almost everyone is back on the band wagon. Now that he's taking visits and it doesn't look well for ND - he's a high risk/high reward, hasn't played enough, doesn't care about school, his head is in the clouds, enjoys the process too much, etc. It's a joke. Just because this kid has had to deal with a few nagging injuries and compliments every school he visits people think it's cool to trash him. May he bust in college? Perhaps. But so could any kid in the country. He doesn't have game film dominating a bunch of undersized high school kids, but he does have compliments from national analysts in a camp setting with the best high school athletes in the country - chasing much smaller players all over the field with ease. That's what makes him an impressive prospect. If he stays healthy, he's got the size/athleticism to play multiple positions at a very high level and seems to be a bright/intelligent young man. Why wouldn't you want that player on campus, and why do we assume he's less of a decent human being if he doesn't pick ND?

While a few of the posters on here have been going back and forth with his recruitment, most of what I have read have been saying the same thing all along. High potential but no guarantee. I hope we do land him but I am still questioning his future production. If he is injury prone he is a bust. Just because he is extremely good in shorts does not translate to he will be just as good on the field in pads.

I have no problem with a kid picking the school he wants...after all it is HIS decision. It is troubling with kids that constantly flip around like Chris Clark. Daelin's recruiting is coming off as someone that just wants to have an ND hat on the table with no true legitimate interest. I do not say that because he has not committed to us yet. I get that impression because of his words and actions. Like others have said, he is not a "make or break" for our class. Would it be nice to have him...yes. But it will not be detrimental to our recruiting if he chooses elsewhere...not in the least.

 

[Irish#1]

Just because he is extremely good in shorts does not translate to he will be just as good on the field in pads..

If we land him, his uni should just be shorts and shoes! Problem solved.