'16 CA QB Ian Book (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[ulukinatme]

Lulz. Somewhere in this thread I posted that I thought Book would never play a down at ND. Crow eaten.

Does anyone else look at Ian Book and see Tommy Rees with slightly better wheels? And then remember how frustrated we all became with Tommy.

That was my first thought, he does remind me a lot of Tommy with better wheels. There were a lot of people in Tommy's thread that thought he'd never play a down too.

Would love to have one of those.

I've got a Reesus shirt, but it's a different one. Has an image of TD Jesus on the front with a helmet on and says "Touchdown Reesus" underneath. On the back it says "Reesus Saves" They used to sell them on SportsCrack.com

 

[snoopdog]

The QB Book reminds me of is Zach Collaros from Cincinnati.

BK coached him with reasonable success and hopefully can replicate the kind of success Collaros had.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

'16 CA QB Ian Book (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

I've got a Reesus shirt, but it's a different one. Has an image of TD Jesus on the front with a helmet on and says "Touchdown Reesus" underneath. On the back it says "Reesus Saves" 😂 They used to sell them on SportsCrack.com

I still have this bad boy from the 2000 Purdue game:

 

[loomis41973]

Shades of Joe Montana. For real.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

I think Tommy would have had more success had he had a better defense and possibly better offensive players. We might not have much better on offense now, though we do have some playmakers, but I think the defense is better and a better system for our players so I think Ian can have better success, plus I think his mobility will open some things up that his arm alone cannot do, something Rees didn't have in his arsenal.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think Tommy would have had more success had he had a better defense and possibly better offensive players. We might not have much better on offense now, though we do have some playmakers, but I think the defense is better and a better system for our players so I think Ian can have better success, plus I think his mobility will open some things up that his arm alone cannot do, something Rees didn't have in his arsenal.

Tommy had the luxury of some the best ND defenses of the last 30 years. He played with Tyler Eifert and Michael Floyd. A couple of ND greats at their respective positions.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Does anyone in the know, know why he didnt get more PT with Wimbush tanking like he did? I mean, I appreciate the guy coming in and making it work vs LSU but why not sooner?

 

[IrishLax]

Does anyone in the know, know why he didnt get more PT with Wimbush tanking like he did? I mean, I appreciate the guy coming in and making it work vs LSU but why not sooner?

Is this a serious question?

Look at what Book did when given the opportunity to play a full game against a bad defense (UNC)... it wasn’t anything warranting PT over Wimbush. Look what he did in limited spot duty, as well... he wasn’t lighting the world on fire.

Wimbush “tanked” against Miami and the end of the game against Stanford. At Miami, they did give Book a shot. Against Stanford, ND had a 4th quarter lead. Where were the other opportunities to play him? And why would that decision have been logical given what he had showed to that point?

 

[Blazers46]

Saw the post bump, thought maybe he declared for the draft.....

 

[ulukinatme]

Tommy had the luxury of some the best ND defenses of the last 30 years. He played with Tyler Eifert and Michael Floyd. A couple of ND greats at their respective positions.

I wouldn't say that's true, he mostly missed that window. That 2013 team was ravaged by injuries. Nix played only a portion of the season if I recall, and Tuitt was out of shape and still recovering from a hernia in the off season. There were other guys with injury issues too, namely Farley who was banged up all season and not playing to the same level as 2012. Our ILB situation also took a big drop off with Manti graduating. So, in essence, two positions you need to excel with in the 3-4 (NT and ILB) were weak. It all starts up front with those guys, and we weren't the same that season.
I'd say others would agree that in 2011 our defense wasn't quite there yet either. We had a lot of the pieces in place, but the defense was young, especially up front.

Those were the only two seasons Tommy was a full time starter. Golson started almost all the games in 2012 when the defense was at it's peak, and Tommy mostly played the final games of 2010 after Crist went down. Tommy did use Floyd and Eifert extensively during his time on the field, there's no question there. I would say few players were as good at getting the ball to their playmakers as Rees.

 

[Luckylucci]

I wouldn't say that's true, he mostly missed that window. That 2013 team was ravaged by injuries. Nix played only a portion of the season if I recall, and Tuitt was out of shape and still recovering from a hernia in the off season. There were other guys with injury issues too, namely Farley who was banged up all season and not playing to the same level as 2012. Our ILB situation also took a big drop off with Manti graduating. So, in essence, two positions you need to excel with in the 3-4 (NT and ILB) were weak. It all starts up front with those guys, and we weren't the same that season.
I'd say others would agree that in 2011 our defense wasn't quite there yet either. We had a lot of the pieces in place, but the defense was young, especially up front.

Those were the only two seasons Tommy was a full time starter. Golson started almost all the games in 2012 when the defense was at it's peak, and Tommy mostly played the final games of 2010 after Crist went down. Tommy did use Floyd and Eifert extensively during his time on the field, there's no question there. I would say few players were as good at getting the ball to their playmakers as Rees.

You disagree but provide no statistical evidence at all?

Let’s look at some numbers.

In 2011 we gave up 4481 yds (ranked 35th). and 20.7 pts./game (ranked 24th)

2013, 4760 yds. (Ranked 35th) and 22.4 pts./game (ranked 27th).

2017, 4400 yds. (ranked 46th) and 21.8 pts./game (ranked 32nd).

So, relative to the rest of the country, both those defenses were ranked higher than this last years defense. In total, 2011 gave up 81 more yards but gave up 1.1 pts./game less.
At the time of the 2011 and 2013 defenses, they were certainly some of the best defenses ND had over the previous 20-30 years.

 

[Luckylucci]

Also, 2011’s 20.7 pts./game would be the 3rd lowest figure since 2004, with 2010 and 2012 being better.

 

[Crazy Balki]

You disagree but provide no statistical evidence at all?

Let’s look at some numbers.

In 2011 we gave up 4481 yds (ranked 35th). and 20.7 pts./game (ranked 24th)

2013, 4760 yds. (Ranked 35th) and 22.4 pts./game (ranked 27th).

2017, 4400 yds. (ranked 46th) and 21.8 pts./game (ranked 32nd).

So, relative to the rest of the country, both those defenses were ranked higher than this last years defense. In total, 2011 gave up 81 more yards but gave up 1.1 pts./game less.
At the time of the 2011 and 2013 defenses, they were certainly some of the best defenses ND had over the previous 20-30 years.

I don't think anyone is arguing that those defenses were bad, but I wouldn't say they were the best of the last 30 years level. That encompasses most of Lou's defenses and that also that 2002 unit that was really damn good, and of course the 2012 squad.

2011 and 2013 were pretty good, but not great.

 

[Rocket89]

You disagree but provide no statistical evidence at all?

Let’s look at some numbers.

In 2011 we gave up 4481 yds (ranked 35th). and 20.7 pts./game (ranked 24th)

2013, 4760 yds. (Ranked 35th) and 22.4 pts./game (ranked 27th).

2017, 4400 yds. (ranked 46th) and 21.8 pts./game (ranked 32nd).

So, relative to the rest of the country, both those defenses were ranked higher than this last years defense. In total, 2011 gave up 81 more yards but gave up 1.1 pts./game less.
At the time of the 2011 and 2013 defenses, they were certainly some of the best defenses ND had over the previous 20-30 years.

S&P+ Defense Ranks

2011- 11th
2013- 48th
2017- 27th

So you're both kind of right and wrong. The 2011 defense was really, really good and let down by the offense in 4 out of the 5 losses.

The '13 defense was super mediocre against a really easy schedule.

 

[BeatSC]

All I know is that this years defense wasn’t good enough to make second choice Elko a millionaire. He owes that to BVG for making us look so bad the previous 2 years.

 

[BobbyMac]

All I know is that this years defense wasn’t good enough to make second choice Elko a millionaire. He owes that to BVG for making us look so bad the previous 2 years.

Elko's work at Wake vs Jimbo head to head was more important. Elko was already a millionaire.

 

[loomis41973]

Can someone/anyone move this pissing match to general info instead of mucking up this thread?

 

[STLDomer]

Is this a serious question?

Look at what Book did when given the opportunity to play a full game against a bad defense (UNC)... it wasn’t anything warranting PT over Wimbush. Look what he did in limited spot duty, as well... he wasn’t lighting the world on fire.

Wimbush “tanked” against Miami and the end of the game against Stanford. At Miami, they did give Book a shot. Against Stanford, ND had a 4th quarter lead. Where were the other opportunities to play him? And why would that decision have been logical given what he had showed to that point?

Wimbush was the most inaccurate power 5 conference QB in college football.

 

[BobbyMac]

What? Is this a thing? I'm out of the loop with work.

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Breaking news out of South Bend. Notre Dame is going with Ian Book this week at Wake Forest. It wouldn’t be a Brian Kelly season without a little drama at the quarterback position. Time is a flat circle and Ian Book is QB1.

Wimbush is arguably Notre Dame’s best runner and has the best arm strength on the team, but the offense has been in quick sand all year because of his inability to get the short and intermediate passing game going do to a lack of accuracy. Wimbush really isn’t even that good at the read-option plays either.

It’s clear that ND would love to run more RPOs and have tried to force it into the playbook, but Wimbush consistently makes the wrong read or when he makes the correct read to throw the ball out the perimeter the pass in inaccurate and the play goes nowhere. Hence Chris Finke had 5 catches for a grand total of 6 yards vs Vanderbilt last week.

The days of Wimbush improvising and using his legs to pick up a 3and18 like he did against Michigan are gone, but the hope is that now Notre Dame will have a competent passing game so you don’t end up in as many 3-and-forevers. Book is a better runner than people give him credit for, which of course is code for “He’s a white guy”. He’ll pull the ball down when appropriate and the Irish will stay ahead of the sticks as a result.

Notre Dame is 3-0, but the offense has been held to 24 points or less in all three games. The coaching staff gave Wimbush a quarter of the season to get it going and it just never really came together. Now they turn to Ian Book against Wake Forest where he’ll hopefully lead the Irish to 4-0 before the meat of their schedule hits…Stanford and then in Blacksburg vs Virginia Tech. Full speed ahead for the uNDefeated Irish. All Gas, No Brakes, Ian Book. Lets go

 

[BobbyMac]

Nevermind. Yall put it in the Wake Forest thread.

 

[BGIF]

Irish Illustrated Retweeted

Steve Beuerlein
✔
@stevebeuerlein

After I saw #IanBook play in the #ND spring game are year ago I said he reminded me of #DrewBrees style-wise. The ball comes out on time and very accurate! It opens up a whole new element for the O! #weshallsee #GoIrish

It did on Saturday.

 

[irish2018]

ian book's skill sets are superior and more compatible with the irish offensive strategy
than brandon's good skills ..
even if one gives mr. wimbush his proper due on running abilities...
the gap between book and wimbush on timing, accuracy, decision making
is much greater than any gap in perceived rushing superiority for wimbush

cross training wimbush at qb#2 and rb can at least create some
interesting options, gadget plays this yr and room for his development at rb
for later this yr and next

i think phil j. is more than ready to assume #2 but one ideally
does not wish to burn his redshirt--he can play in 3 more games
plus bowl to still preserve it

book's abilities enable the short passing game to
open up the complementary running game---

 

[arrowryan]

ian book's skill sets are superior and more compatible with the irish offensive strategy
than brandon's good skills ..
even if one gives mr. wimbush his proper due on running abilities...
the gap between book and wimbush on timing, accuracy, decision making
is much greater than any gap in perceived rushing superiority for wimbush

cross training wimbush at qb#2 and rb can at least create some
interesting options, gadget plays this yr and room for his development at rb
for later this yr and next

i think phil j. is more than ready to assume #2 but one ideally
does not wish to burn his redshirt--he can play in 3 more games
plus bowl to still preserve it

book's abilities enable the short passing game to
open up the complementary running game---

Unfortunately, I don't think theres a next year in South Bend for Brandon unless he won't have his degree yet. I'd love for him to switch positions but I think he transfers.

 

[BabyIrish]

I know people have questioned Book's arm strength, but he unleashed a 60 yard bomb that was on a rope to Kevin Austin in the 3rd quarter that would have been caught if not for the interference call. I'm not worried about his ability to stretch the field. He can do it.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

ian book's skill sets are superior and more compatible with the irish offensive strategy
than brandon's good skills ..
even if one gives mr. wimbush his proper due on running abilities...
the gap between book and wimbush on timing, accuracy, decision making
is much greater than any gap in perceived rushing superiority for wimbush

cross training wimbush at qb#2 and rb can at least create some
interesting options, gadget plays this yr and room for his development at rb
for later this yr and next

i think phil j. is more than ready to assume #2 but one ideally
does not wish to burn his redshirt--he can play in 3 more games
plus bowl to still preserve it

book's abilities enable the short passing game to
open up the complementary running game---

You should consider a change in name to "irish poet" with this formatting lol

 

[Old Man Mike]

Ian Book is good.

Ian Book is VERY good.

Ian Book is DAMM good.

.... at everything a QB needs to do.



but of course we'll demand that he be instantly perfect.

 

[nsisk157]

Unfortunately, I don't think theres a next year in South Bend for Brandon unless he won't have his degree yet. I'd love for him to switch positions but I think he transfers.

I would tend to agree with your thoughts. I think BW will graduate on time and my hope is that he lands somewhere he can excel both academically and athletically. I was all in on BW from the start, being a Jersey kid and all, but I think the writing may be on the wall.

The kid is going to be running fortune 500 companies one day.

 

[NDMIA]

Notre Dame's QBR 2017-2018 - Point Total - QB who played the most

USC - 95.0 QBR - 49pts - Brandon Wimbush
@Mich St - 94.3 QBR - 38pts - Brandon Wimbush
@LSU - 93.1 QBR - 21pts - Ian Book
Wake Forest - 92.8 QBR - 48pts - Brandon Wimbush
NC State - 89.8 QBR - 35pts - Brandon Wimbush
Navy - 87.6 QBR - 24pts - Brandon Wimbush
@BC - 84.6 QBR - 49pts - Brandon Wimbush
Temple - 82.2 QBR - 49pts - Brandon Wimbush
Michigan - 81.5 QBR - 24pts - Brandon Wimbush
@Wake Forest - 76.7 QBR - 56pts - Ian Book
Vanderbilt - 68.4 QBR - 22pts - Brandon Wimbush
Miami (OH) - 60.7 QBR - 52pts - Brandon Wimbush
@Stanford - 48.2 QBR - 20pts - Brandon Wimbush
Georgia - 46.1 QBR - 19pts - Brandon Wimbush
@UNC - 29.0 QBR - 33pts - Ian Book
Ball State - 13.7 QBR - 24pts - Brandon Wimbush
@Miami - 11.0 QBR - 8pts - Brandon Wimbush

Just thought I'd add this to the chat on Ian Book. Other than UNC (weather was crappy I think, first start jitters if those are excuses) he's played beautifully as a starter and is 3-0 to boot. Another thing to look at is for the season, Ian Book has a QBR of 77.4 which would rank 20th in the QBR if he were to qualify. Brandon Wimbush has a 55.2 which ranks 72nd in the FBS. Hopefully Ian Book puts the college football world on notice against Stanford this weekend. Should be a huge matchup!

 

[stlnd01]

Unfortunately, I don't think theres a next year in South Bend for Brandon unless he won't have his degree yet. I'd love for him to switch positions but I think he transfers.

I tend to agree, perpetuating the trend of Notre Dame QBs who don’t play out their time as Notre Dame QBs. And I wouldn’t blame him.
But... unless they switch Avery Davis back, and assuming the three-star freshman redshirts, that would leave us in the unfortunate position of effectively having two QBs who can play in 2019. Not ideal.

 

[Luckylucci]

I tend to agree, perpetuating the trend of Notre Dame QBs who don’t play out their time as Notre Dame QBs. And I wouldn’t blame him.
But... unless they switch Avery Davis back, and assuming the three-star freshman redshirts, that would leave us in the unfortunate position of effectively having two QBs who can play in 2019. Not ideal.

Well, in todays college football, very few teams have more than a 2 deep of competent QB play. So, it's really par for the course. We'd have the incumbent starter, Book, with the up and comer PJ, they'd be taking 100% of reps between the two. Pretty much the way you draw it up.