'15 NJ QB Brandon Wimbush (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[TDHeysus]

If you trade Brandon Wimbush for Jalen Hurts tomorrow, could/would Bama still win the NC?

the one difference i see, is that players like Jalen Hurts typically don't completely fold in a big game; no total shut down and fold it in....another difference, and I see against ND all the time, but I dont seem to see it much with ND quarterbacks, which the innate ability to toss a complete, total duck of a pass only for it to miraculously find its target. If ND's qb throws a complete total duck, you can bet your last dollar that sucker going for a pick 6. count it.

 

[T-Boone]

the one difference i see, is that players like Jalen Hurts typically don't completely fold in a big game; no total shut down and fold it in....

Alabama QBs don't fold because they are surrounded by dudes who are dominating their opponent.

 

[ulukinatme]

Since we're all going goof-stupid in our withdrawal symptoms from the loss, I'll add some extreme data-poor bullshit to enrage people who are still drinking too much (alcohol OR Koolaid):

A). With an excited Deshon Kizer we are 10-0 heading towards 12-0;
B). With our guy we are 8-2 heading towards 10-2 (and with our guy next year we are heading towards 10-2 or 11-1 with a smoother more mature calm QB);
C). With Ian Book from the beginning of Spring as clear starting QB getting almost all the reps, we are 8-2 heading towards 10-2, just not mowing down opponents quite as badly;
D). With a happy Malik Zaire we are 6-4 heading towards 7-5, and basically a one-trick pony offensive team.

With A several IE posters are seriously considering committing suicide as their reason for existence has been destroyed.
With B these same posters are barely hanging on in subconscious hope that disaster might still occur to fire Kelly, or maybe the President of Notre Dame.
With C some posters are moderately happy because although we are winning we don't look great doing it.
With D some posters are deliriously happy seeing their dreams of hiring Bill Belicek come closer to reality.

Yep. That's how I see it. No argument there.

I mean, we're pretty much a one trick pony right now. Wimbush excels when the running game is firing on all cylinders and it opens up play action. Zaire was the same way, in his limited starts. When the running game was crap in 2016? Zaire's limited touches weren't impressive. 2015 and to a lesser extent 2014? Zaire looked good and the future was bright. I think Malik would have looked as good as Wimbush in this year's offense. Wimbush has yet to throw for 300 yards against any team, so lets not pretend he's shown himself to be a better passer than Malik at the college level. Given the teams we've played, the way the defense played in September/October, and behind this O-Line and RBs I see no reason Zaire wouldn't also be at 8-2.

 

[ThePiombino]

I mean, we're pretty much a one trick pony right now. Wimbush excels when the running game is firing on all cylinders and it opens up play action. Zaire was the same way, in his limited starts. When the running game was crap in 2016? Zaire's limited touches weren't impressive. 2015 and to a lesser extent 2014? Zaire looked good and the future was bright. I think Malik would have looked as good as Wimbush in this year's offense. Wimbush has yet to throw for 300 yards against any team, so lets not pretend he's shown himself to be a better passer than Malik at the college level. Given the teams we've played, the way the defense played in September/October, and behind this O-Line and RBs I see no reason Zaire wouldn't also be at 8-2.

BW is a good QB playing below his talent level. MZ was a bad QB playing slightly above his talent level. Give me BW 7 days a week and twice on Saturday over MZ. But really, just give me Kizer back for this year. 10-0.

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[Free Manera]

Interesting stuff from Brian Driskell in the most recent BGI podcast:

1. Wimbush has poor mechanics
2. The poor mechanics are not Long or Rees's fault.
3. The poor mechanics are Mike Sanford's fault.

He went on to explain that Sanford was basically a subpar QB coach. The drills they ran were silly and not game-applicable. Driskell said it looked like Sanford picked them up at some coaches' clinic and was running them without knowing the purpose for them.

He said Rees is doing a good job, runs the right drills, and knows what he is talking about. However fundamentals are extremely difficult to correct during the year due to the necessity for game prep. During the offseason is when fundamentals can and should be honed.

 

[BobbyMac]

Interesting stuff from Brian Driskell in the most recent BGI podcast:

1. Wimbush has poor mechanics
2. The poor mechanics are not Long or Rees's fault.
3. The poor mechanics are Mike Sanford's fault.

He went on to explain that Sanford was basically a subpar QB coach.

Hmmmmmm... and take into account the running game also.

Mike Sanford with QB Mike White in 2017:

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Jeff Brohm with QB Mike White in 2016:

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[PANDFAN]

Interesting stuff from Brian Driskell in the most recent BGI podcast:

1. Wimbush has poor mechanics
2. The poor mechanics are not Long or Rees's fault.
3. The poor mechanics are Mike Sanford's fault.

He went on to explain that Sanford was basically a subpar QB coach. The drills they ran were silly and not game-applicable. Driskell said it looked like Sanford picked them up at some coaches' clinic and was running them without knowing the purpose for them.

He said Rees is doing a good job, runs the right drills, and knows what he is talking about. However fundamentals are extremely difficult to correct during the year due to the necessity for game prep. During the offseason is when fundamentals can and should be honed.

also indicated how kizer regressed under him

 

[irishog77]

also indicated how kizer regressed under him

Possibly. Didn't we also love Sanford the year before though because Kizer was able to step in as a raw, RF QB and have a great year and lead ND to the brink of the playoffs?

 

[SoIll]

different offenses, cant compare.

 

[BGIF]

Possibly. Didn't we also love Sanford the year before though because Kizer was able to step in as a raw, RF QB and have a great year and lead ND to the brink of the playoffs?

But ... But ... Sanford is the "ND Coach of the Future"! All he needed was a year of seasoning and Kelly could be fired.

He's 5-5 at WKU. Ranked 118 by Sagarin playing the 138th Toughest Schedule. He not evoking memories of Boehm or Petrino at WKU nor Meyer at BGU.

Overhyped?

 

[IrishLion]

But ... But ... Sanford is the "ND Coach of the Future"! All he needed was a year of seasoning and Kelly could be fired.

He's 5-5 at WKU. Ranked 118 by Sagarin playing the 138th Toughest Schedule. He not evoling memories of Boehm or Petrino at WKU nor Meyer at BGU.

Overhyped?

Guilty. I thought he'd be a lock to win at least 10 games in his first year at WKU. The roster is loaded and was built ready-made by Petrino and Brohm.

After that, I figured it would be a matter of if he had learned enough on the job to translate that to a bigger place.

Whoops.

 

[dublinirish]

Guilty. I thought he'd be a lock to win at least 10 games in his first year at WKU. The roster is loaded and was built ready-made by Petrino and Brohm.

After that, I figured it would be a matter of if he had learned enough on the job to translate that to a bigger place.

Whoops.

thought he'd only be there for 1 year and be plucked for a P5 job tbh.

 

[NDohio]

Interesting stuff from Brian Driskell in the most recent BGI podcast:

1. Wimbush has poor mechanics
2. The poor mechanics are not Long or Rees's fault.
3. The poor mechanics are Mike Sanford's fault.

He went on to explain that Sanford was basically a subpar QB coach. The drills they ran were silly and not game-applicable. Driskell said it looked like Sanford picked them up at some coaches' clinic and was running them without knowing the purpose for them.

He said Rees is doing a good job, runs the right drills, and knows what he is talking about. However fundamentals are extremely difficult to correct during the year due to the necessity for game prep. During the offseason is when fundamentals can and should be honed.

also indicated how kizer regressed under him

Possibly. Didn't we also love Sanford the year before though because Kizer was able to step in as a raw, RF QB and have a great year and lead ND to the brink of the playoffs?

We did love him for that, but does it make sense that Kizer was raw and just used his natural ability to get him through the year and then once the off season got here and Sanford began working on his mechanics he regressed? This is interesting info.

But ... But ... Sanford is the "ND Coach of the Future"! All he needed was a year of seasoning and Kelly could be fired.

He's 5-5 at WKU. Ranked 118 by Sagarin playing the 138th Toughest Schedule. He not evoking memories of Boehm or Petrino at WKU nor Meyer at BGU.

Overhyped?

Yep. Guilty. I did have that kind of weird feeling as Kizer was struggling last year and trying to figure out why. Could it have been MS? He is definitely not having the success I expected him to have at WKU.

 

[tadman95]

Didn't Wimbush spend the spring with Long and Rees? Are we thinking they couldn't undo what he learned under Sanford in one year?

 

[Henges24]

So we should expect Wimbush to lead us to a national championship next year and be a Heisman winner? Cool.

 

[IrishLax]

Interesting stuff from Brian Driskell in the most recent BGI podcast:

1. Wimbush has poor mechanics
2. The poor mechanics are not Long or Rees's fault.
3. The poor mechanics are Mike Sanford's fault.

He went on to explain that Sanford was basically a subpar QB coach. The drills they ran were silly and not game-applicable. Driskell said it looked like Sanford picked them up at some coaches' clinic and was running them without knowing the purpose for them.

He said Rees is doing a good job, runs the right drills, and knows what he is talking about. However fundamentals are extremely difficult to correct during the year due to the necessity for game prep. During the offseason is when fundamentals can and should be honed.

Driskell is probably the worst analyst, ever. He also got into a fight with his own site's members over his bad opinions. He was also a failure of a coach.

 

[BGIF]

Driskell is probably the worst analyst, ever. He also got into a fight with his own site's members over his bad opinions. He was also a failure of a coach.

So was he wrong in the comments about Wimbush's mechinac's or comments about Sanford are you just getting in a free shot at Driskell?

 

[IrishLax]

So was he wrong in the comments about Wimbush's mechinac's or comments about Sanford are you just getting in a free shot at Driskell?

His comments about Sanford are so beyond the pale that it's utterly absurd a paid professional who pretends to be an "expert" would make them. They were so bad that multiple people on his own site got into it with him and (at least one) quit over his schtick. He makes dumbass claims and then attacks his audience when they rightfully call him out.

I still remember years and years ago on ISD when he stated as fact that CJ Prosise wasn't a great athlete and I benignly asked "why do you think that? Coaches out here have a high opinion of him and he has good track times." And he ranted about being an "expert" and "coach" and knowing how to evaluate film while I don't and blah blah blah... guy is just a total d-bag with bad opinions and I'd respect his opinion on coaches and drills and coaching technique a lot more if he wasn't a failed low level coach. If he thinks you're doing something wrong, chances are you're doing it right.

 

[BGIF]

OK

 

[irishff1014]

The worse throwing QB i have seen in some time.

 

[koonja]

Serious qu, is Phil an EE?

 

[ACamp1900]

I like him, root for him and want him to succeed on and off the field, but some of his throws are so bad. He's still a really good running back tho.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

Serious qu, is Phil an EE?

I hate to say it but I was wondering the same thing. I love BW but you got to wonder if he is gonna get better. Been hoping we would see some improvement but not seeing it yet. He is still over throwing a lot of his passes. This is just a crummy game in crummy conditions but at some point you need to settle down and make you're throws. A lot of times he seems to press it. He doesn't seem composed and relaxed when passing on a lot of throws. Again, I love him to death and he is an incredible threat! Only with his feet and not his arm.

 

[ThePiombino]

I spent the first 2/3 of the season defending this kid. I'm done. He has the same issue(s) Crist had -- amazing arm talent, but lacking on reads and couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. I hope the QB competition is legit wide open next year for Phil.

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[Jimmy3Putt]

Come on people, all Brandon needs is a few seven foot tall targets. The ball wouldn't hit the ground!

 

[NDRock]

Serious qu, is Phil an EE?

Will it matter? It's crazy how Kelly made his mark at Cinci as a guy that could get good play and win with any QB. Been the complete opposite at ND. Now we're already done with Wimbush. Crazy.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

I was at the game today and was shaking my head at why we came out throwing into the wind on the first drive?! I know I have and people on here bitch about the play calling but there's one thing wimbush needs to get better at and that's making the correct read. We had the ball driving second or 3rd drive of the game 20 yards out wimbush could have ran right up the middle the whole was that big for a big gain instead he threw an incomplete short pass

 

[PANDFAN]

The worse throwing QB i have seen in some time.

Malik

 

[dwshade]

Serious qu, is Phil an EE?

He is not an EE.

 

[calvegas04]

I was at the game today and was shaking my head at why we came out throwing into the wind on the first drive?! I know I have and people on here bitch about the play calling but there's one thing wimbush needs to get better at and that's making the correct read. We had the ball driving second or 3rd drive of the game 20 yards out wimbush could have ran right up the middle the whole was that big for a big gain instead he threw an incomplete short pass

why did you go to the game? you hate this team