'15 FL OLB Te'Von Coney (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[FDNYIrish1]

I don’t know his family situation but the way I see it is if he has limited game film and weak testing numbers, it would make sense for him to come back to a position friendly defense and put up a solid film. Hopefully that way the scouts may be willing to overlook some size and speed deficiencies and see a good football player.

 

[snoopdog]

And if he's happy with Ben Gedeon (6-2/244 vs Coney's 6-1.125/240) money/guarantee in the mid 4th then it might be moot (?) Coney's body of work is good enough to get him drafted there IF some team likes him as much as the Vike's did Gedeon.

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Gedeon
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Jaylon Smith 3rd season totals:

65 solo 45 asst. 114 total...got drafted in the second round....with one knee that actually functioned...just sayin

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Jaylon Smith 3rd season totals:

65 solo 45 asst. 114 total...got drafted in the second round....with one knee that actually functioned...just sayin

Jaylons athletic ability also jumped off the screen. A top 5 athlete that they took a flier on in the 2nd. Not a great comparison.

 

[NDinBoston]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Obscured by the already-percolating quarterback conjecture, the hidden story line of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a>'s offseason is <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachMikeElko?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CoachMikeElko</a> and an Irish defense poised to surge:<a href="https://t.co/webHdSeirc">https://t.co/webHdSeirc</a></p>— Eric Hansen (@EHansenNDI) <a href="https://twitter.com/EHansenNDI/status/948729036452302848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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The impending early-entry NFL draft decisions in the coming days of junior nose guard Jerry Tillery and junior linebacker Te’von Coney are the two biggest dangling details. They and fellow juniors, wide receiver Equanimeous St. Brown and running back Josh Adams, each have until Jan. 15 to declare.

The NFL Draft Advisory Board offers only three types of grades — first round, second round, or go back to school. All four juniors received the “go back to school” grade, which doesn’t necessarily mean all or any of them will.

Among ND’s 15 seniors-to-be with fifth-year options, eight are expected to return, including three on defense. Those players are defensive end Jay Hayes, rover Drue Tranquill and cornerback Nick Watkins.

The other five are offensive linemen Alex Bars and Sam Mustipher, wide receiver Freddy Canteen, tight end Nic Weishar and punter Tyler Newsome.

Holder/backup quarterback Montgomery VanGorder on Wednesday, incidentally, became the latest of the seven fifth-years not returning to outline his 2018 plans. He’s transferring to FCS school Youngstown State, he announced on Twitter.

If Tillery and/or Coney don’t return, at least there appears to be a bit of a grace period for the Irish defense to start the 2018 season. ND’s first three opponents — Michigan, Ball State and Vanderbilt (all at home) — all ranked lower than 100th nationally last season in total offense.

Elko’s old team, Wake Forest, in week four on the road, is a potential steep upgrade, ranked 17th in total offense in 2017. Then five of the next six Irish foes ranked no higher than No. 53 in that category.

 

[stlnd01]

Freddy Canteen is coming back? Why?

But, yeah, if Coney and Tillery return (as both should), and we can upgrade the talent at safety (which we can), there's no telling our good our defense could be next year.

 

[koonja]

Dang, they all got "go back to school"?

I guess the only one who surprises me is Tillery, but I thought he'd get a 2nd round grade. He's got the perfect size and was consistent and healthy all year.

 

[IrishLion]

Dang, they all got "go back to school"?

I guess the only one who surprises me is Tillery, but I thought he'd get a 2nd round grade. He's got the perfect size and was consistent and healthy all year.

"Size" and "Health" are hallmarks of a productive college player, but that doesn't translate to a 2nd-round grade for the NFL. A lot of college players have good size and stay healthy while controlling their gaps.

If you want a 2nd-round (or higher) grade from the NFL, you have to be consistently disruptive, not just keeping your LB's clean. Tillery kepts his LB's clean, and disrupted the pocket here-and-there, but not at a level that tells me he's gonna be what the NFL is looking for at this point.

Tillery was really, REALLY good for us this year, mainly because he stayed healthy, like you said. But I think he needs to work on his "rushing the passer" chops and produce a little bit more in that regard*.



*I am not an NFL scout, so maybe I'm totally wrong.

 

[Meacon Irish]

Dang, they all got "go back to school"?

I guess the only one who surprises me is Tillery, but I thought he'd get a 2nd round grade. He's got the perfect size and was consistent and healthy all year.

Louis Nix had the perfect size and was consistent and healthy and was taken in the third round.

 

[Irish#1]

Dang, they all got "go back to school"?

I guess the only one who surprises me is Tillery, but I thought he'd get a 2nd round grade. He's got the perfect size and was consistent and healthy all year.

"Size" and "Health" are hallmarks of a productive college player, but that doesn't translate to a 2nd-round grade for the NFL. A lot of college players have good size and stay healthy while controlling their gaps.

If you want a 2nd-round (or higher) grade from the NFL, you have to be consistently disruptive, not just keeping your LB's clean. Tillery kepts his LB's clean, and disrupted the pocket here-and-there, but not at a level that tells me he's gonna be what the NFL is looking for at this point.

Tillery was really, REALLY good for us this year, mainly because he stayed healthy, like you said. But I think he needs to work on his "rushing the passer" chops and produce a little bit more in that regard*.



*I am not an NFL scout, so maybe I'm totally wrong.

IL nailed it. IMO JT would be a 4th or 5th rounder this year. IMO I think he could also benefit from another year of strength training.

 

[stlnd01]

There’s lots of good college football players. Only 64 of them will be picked in the first two rounds of the NFL Draft.

 

[NDohio]

Louis Nix had the perfect size and was consistent and healthy and was taken in the third round.

Not really. He had knee issues throughout his final year that limited his consistency. It also was a noted negative on his draft day.

 

[connor_in]

"Size" and "Health" are hallmarks of a productive college player, but that doesn't translate to a 2nd-round grade for the NFL. A lot of college players have good size and stay healthy while controlling their gaps.

If you want a 2nd-round (or higher) grade from the NFL, you have to be consistently disruptive, not just keeping your LB's clean. Tillery kepts his LB's clean, and disrupted the pocket here-and-there, but not at a level that tells me he's gonna be what the NFL is looking for at this point.

Tillery was really, REALLY good for us this year, mainly because he stayed healthy, like you said. But I think he needs to work on his "rushing the passer" chops and produce a little bit more in that regard*.



*I am not an NFL scout, so maybe I'm totally wrong.

But you have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express before, right?

 

[koonja]

"Size" and "Health" are hallmarks of a productive college player, but that doesn't translate to a 2nd-round grade for the NFL. A lot of college players have good size and stay healthy while controlling their gaps.

If you want a 2nd-round (or higher) grade from the NFL, you have to be consistently disruptive, not just keeping your LB's clean. Tillery kepts his LB's clean, and disrupted the pocket here-and-there, but not at a level that tells me he's gonna be what the NFL is looking for at this point.

Tillery was really, REALLY good for us this year, mainly because he stayed healthy, like you said. But I think he needs to work on his "rushing the passer" chops and produce a little bit more in that regard*.



*I am not an NFL scout, so maybe I'm totally wrong.

Be careful being humble around here. Now every time you give your opinion on a recruit's film, people will remind you you admitted you're not a scout.

 

[BobbyMac]

Be careful being humble around here. Now every time you give your opinion on a recruit's film, people will remind you you admitted you're not a scout.

Pffffft. That's just your take on the situation and we all know you aren't a...

 

[Wild Bill]

He'd measure poorly, and he wouldn't run what you want for someone his size.

He'd measure over 6' and about 245lbs is my guess. I agree it's not great, but that wouldn't necessarily hurt him either. Darron Lee and Myles Jack were about the same size, though they would probably put up better numbers at the combine (IIRC, Lee ran his ass off).

I think another year would certainly help him but his main issue is his inability to play three downs in the NFL due to his lack of coverage ability. I'm just not sure another year will help him in coverage. He just has stiff hips and appears to lack a natural fluidity in his drop. That's tough to overcome with reps or the gym. He'll have to focus on flexibility and mental awareness to improve in coverage. If he knows he can put up above average numbers at the combine, relative to the numbers LBers have put up over the last few years, I think he'd be a lock to get drafted. If not, he should come back to perfect his craft but he'll still face the same criticisms next year, albeit with one more year of film and experience.

Tough choice. I hope he makes the correct decision. Seems like a good kid.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Louis Nix had the perfect size and was consistent and healthy and was taken in the third round.

And he was a HECK of a lot better and more productive than JT

 

[CanadalovesND]

And he was a HECK of a lot better and more productive than JT

Hard to say really considering they played different roles in different systems. Statistically speaking, Tillery is better. Nix was used to occupy blockers, open up things for Te'o and LBs to make plays. This scheme allows Tillery to attack gaps more, be distruptive but also occupy blockers for the LBs.

 

[Luckylucci]

And he was a HECK of a lot better and more productive than JT

Through 3 seasons Tillery has more TFL's and sacks than Nix did. Though he did have 17 less tackles. This season, Tillery's best, is better than Nix's best season (12').

Tillery 17' - 56 tackles, 9 TFL's, and 4.5 sacks
Nix 12' - 50 tackles, 4.5 TFL's, and 2 sacks.

I can appreciate different opinions on this but I ran the numbers after the Stanford game, and Tillery's production this year stacks up pretty darn well against the top 10 DT's for the upcoming draft. I believe there were only 2 DT's that had clearly better "production" numbers.

 

[BeauBenken]

Hard to say really considering they played different roles in different systems. Statistically speaking, Tillery is better. Nix was used to occupy blockers, open up things for Te'o and LBs to make plays. This scheme allows Tillery to attack gaps more, be distributive but also occupy blockers for the LBs.

This.

 

[stlnd01]

He'd measure over 6' and about 245lbs is my guess. I agree it's not great, but that wouldn't necessarily hurt him either. Darron Lee and Myles Jack were about the same size, though they would probably put up better numbers at the combine (IIRC, Lee ran his ass off).

I think another year would certainly help him but his main issue is his inability to play three downs in the NFL due to his lack of coverage ability. I'm just not sure another year will help him in coverage. He just has stiff hips and appears to lack a natural fluidity in his drop. That's tough to overcome with reps or the gym. He'll have to focus on flexibility and mental awareness to improve in coverage. If he knows he can put up above average numbers at the combine, relative to the numbers LBers have put up over the last few years, I think he'd be a lock to get drafted. If not, he should come back to perfect his craft but he'll still face the same criticisms next year, albeit with one more year of film and experience.

Tough choice. I hope he makes the correct decision. Seems like a good kid.

Thats not saying much. Coney will make a team. But does he do so as a 5th or 6th round pick this year or a 2nd round pick next year? A lot of money (and a degree and chance to be great at Notre Dame) riding on the answer.
I do wonder if he’s looking at Nyles Morgan, whose stock probably dipped this year, as a cautionary tale.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Thats not saying much. Coney will make a team. But does he do so as a 5th or 6th round pick this year or a 2nd round pick next year? A lot of money (and a degree and chance to be great at Notre Dame) riding on the answer.
I do wonder if he’s looking at Nyles Morgan, whose stock probably dipped this year, as a cautionary tale.

Could be. But on the flip side, the $ difference between making a roster as a UDFA and a 5th round pick is night and day compared to round 2 versus round 5 money.

 

[NDinL.A.]

You see a lot of guys who get 5th round draft grades who end up going undrafted. There's a lot of reason for him to come back for his senior year.

Actually, you don't see that. There is no "5th round grade" anymore, and hasn't been for several years.

Tillery told a mutual friend that if thought he'd be a 3rd round draft pick or higher (just by talking to people in the league, he'd "almost have to go pro." But this was about 6 weeks ago. Lots of things could have changed between then and now. The sentiment I am hearing is that he is leaning towards staying at this point.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Thats not saying much. Coney will make a team. But does he do so as a 5th or 6th round pick this year or a 2nd round pick next year? A lot of money (and a degree and chance to be great at Notre Dame) riding on the answer.
I do wonder if he’s looking at Nyles Morgan, whose stock probably dipped this year, as a cautionary tale.

Morgan isn't a cautionary tale though. He wasn't going to be taken early last year. He simply didn't do enough to drastically bolster his stock.

 

[IrishLax]

So kiss Coney and Tillery goodbye with the announcement. Wouldn't be surprised to see Tranquill change his mind too, and some players ask out of the LOIs they signed.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

So kiss Coney and Tillery goodbye with the announcement. Wouldn't be surprised to see Tranquill change his mind too, and some players ask out of the LOIs they signed.

Jeeeeeez man....calm down...

 

[Luckylucci]

Jeeeeeez man....calm down...

This could turn into a real disaster of a situation, just because that hasn't happened in the first 1 hour of the news being out there, don't kid yourself. This is a pretty big deal.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

This could turn into a real disaster of a situation, just because that hasn't happened in the first 1 hour of the news being out there, don't kid yourself. This is a pretty big deal.

No it's not a pretty big deal.

If my son was sick in the hospital that would be a big deal. If my parents just died that would be a big deal.

Get a grip there is more to life than Notre Dame football.

I'm signing off with you baby's crying over this bullshit that doesn't directly effect your personal life. Now if you were a parent of a recruit fine maybe...but really man...big deal...

 

[Luckylucci]

No it's not a pretty big deal.

If my son was sick in the hospital that would be a big deal. If my parents just died that would be a big deal.

Get a grip there is more to life than Notre Dame football.

I'm signing off with you baby's crying over this bullshit that doesn't directly effect your personal life. Now if you were a parent of a recruit fine maybe...but really man...big deal...

Coming from you Sherm, this is pretty rich. You have had some of the biggest meltdowns on this site since I've been a mod.

 

[koonja]

No it's not a pretty big deal.

If my son was sick in the hospital that would be a big deal. If my parents just died that would be a big deal.

Get a grip there is more to life than Notre Dame football.

I'm signing off with you baby's crying over this bullshit that doesn't directly effect your personal life. Now if you were a parent of a recruit fine maybe...but really man...big deal...

Well yeah, but we're not on a "advice for father of sick kid" site, we're on a ND football site.

And in regards to ND football, this is literally the last coach we can afford to lose. So it's a pretty big deal.

 

[greyhammer90]

ND fan on an ND football website:

"Our defensive coordinator leaving is a big deal."

Sherm:

"Have you considered the effects of global warming on the hunting habitat of the polar bears? What of them? Perspective."