'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[ab2cmiller]

Mahomes is going to be a bust. When is the last BIG12 QB that turned into a franchise QB? I can't even think of one.

Texas Tech fans are probably saying the same thing about ND quarterbacks

 

[GATTACA!]

Colt McCoy, Branden Weeden, Seneca Wallace, RG3, just to name a few

 

[kmoose]

but where did he graduate from???? pac 12 homie

True. I was being facetious. However, he did play as many seasons at Oklahoma(2) as he did, at UCLA....

 

[ACamp1900]

True. I was being facetious. However, he did play as many seasons at Oklahoma(2) as he did, at UCLA....

Even during this era... John Barnes will forever be the greatest UCLA QB.....

 

[BeauBenken]

Full transcript:

So basically, they cherry picked some poor phrasing from a handful of sentences to write slam pieces. Is what it is... choose words better next time like he has in his previous interviews.

The r/cfb subreddit was in flames over how BK is such a dickbag because of this...and THIS is what he really said?

Honestly, most CFB fans can pound salt. They all just want ND to be the villain so bad.

 

[ACamp1900]

The r/cfb subreddit was in flames over how BK is such a dickbag because of this...and THIS is what he really said?

Honestly, most CFB fans can pound salt. They all just want ND to be the villain so bad.

This is why it's important to have leaders who are a bit more calculated in my opinion. All anyone is going to see is "Jackass ND coach buries another player." type headlines and that's that... sigh...

 

[BeauBenken]

This is why it's important to have leaders who are a bit more calculated in my opinion. All anyone is going to see is "Jackass ND coach buries another player." type headlines and that's that... sigh...

In this day and age where people write news stories 140 characters at a time, no matter how calculated a coach, ND is going to have its words twisted.

 

[IrishLax]

The r/cfb subreddit was in flames over how BK is such a dickbag because of this...and THIS is what he really said?

Honestly, most CFB fans can pound salt. They all just want ND to be the villain so bad.

Yeah, there was one article I replied to and just posted the "this is what Kelly really said" with the transcript and the comments were all "FUCK YOU BRIAN KELLY IS A MURDERER!"

Reddit is probably more reasonable if you want to share the transcript there lol...

 

[Rack Em]

Yeah, there was one article I replied to and just posted the "this is what Kelly really said" with the transcript and the comments were all "FUCK YOU BRIAN KELLY IS A MURDERER!"

Reddit is probably more reasonable if you want to share the transcript there lol...

He murdered my hopes last season

 

[BeauBenken]

Yeah, there was one article I replied to and just posted the "this is what Kelly really said" with the transcript and the comments were all "FUCK YOU BRIAN KELLY IS A MURDERER!"

Reddit is probably more reasonable if you want to share the transcript there lol...

What's also terrible is that our own ignorant fans seemingly encourage it.

 

[IrishLax]

What's also terrible is that our own ignorant fans seemingly encourage it.

Remember, half of them want Kelly's head on a pike.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Remember, half of them want Kelly's head on a pike.

And would finance more billboards.

 

[wizards8507]

Only in this interview, Kelly adds "should still be in school" implying he made an incorrect decision and adds that he also needs to work on stuff "off the field" which can be taken to mean character concern.

Maybe that's the way it's SUPPOSED to be taken? Maybe there IS a character concern? Honestly, I think Kelly and Kizer are both douchers so I have no problem with any of this.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Maybe that's the way it's SUPPOSED to be taken? Maybe there IS a character concern?

Well, Irish Illustrated has been saying for a while that he was playing with extra weight this year, to his detriment.

 

[dwshade]

Daniel Jeremiah from nfl.com has a new mock out today. He's one of the best draft evaluators in the business and he has two QB's going in round one. Trubisky to Texans at 25 and Mahomes to Chiefs at 27.

 

[IrishLion]

Daniel Jeremiah from nfl.com has a new mock out today. He's one of the best draft evaluators in the business and he has two QB's going in round one. Trubisky to Texans at 25 and Mahomes to Chiefs at 27.

If Kizer isn't one of the first two QB's taken, and falls out of round one, does that officially become "Brian Kelly was right and he should have come back?"

Idk what next year's draft class at QB looks like, but it would be an interesting debate.

 

[NorthDakota]

Maybe that's the way it's SUPPOSED to be taken? Maybe there IS a character concern? Honestly, I think Kelly and Kizer are both douchers so I have no problem with any of this.

What's the beef with Kizer? He's an enigma to me. I don't know if i like him or not.

 

[stlnd01]

If Kizer isn't one of the first two QB's taken, and falls out of round one, does that officially become "Brian Kelly was right and he should have come back?"

Idk what next year's draft class at QB looks like, but it would be an interesting debate.

It's hard, b/c even though Kizer probably could have used another year in school, he was, almost across the board, projected to go in the first half of the first round in mocks and draft rankings that came out during/immediately after the season. Presumably that's what he was hearing from his own advisors, too. So it was hard to argue there was much financial upside to him sticking in college for another season. Hindsight is always 20/20 on draft day but surveying the field in December he probably made the logical choice.

Of course, if he does fall (like various ND and other high-profile QBs before him) maybe the lesson is that mock drafts made before the combine and interviews and even before you know what teams hold what picks are little more than garbage clickbait. Actually that probably is the lesson.

 

[dwshade]

It's hard, b/c even though Kizer probably could have used another year in school, he was, almost across the board, projected to go in the first half of the first round in mocks and draft rankings that came out during/immediately after the season. Presumably that's what he was hearing from his own advisors, too. So it was hard to argue there was much financial upside to him sticking in college for another season. Hindsight is always 20/20 on draft day but surveying the field in December he probably made the logical choice.

Of course, if he does fall (like various ND and other high-profile QBs before him) maybe the lesson is that mock drafts made before the combine and interviews and even before you know what teams hold what picks are little more than garbage clickbait. Actually that probably is the lesson.

Next year's draft will likely feature Josh Rosen (UCLA) and Sam Darnhold (USC) as the two premier QB's. If they had been eligible for this year's draft they would likely have been the top two picks. Lamar Jackson from Louisville will be eligible but he really needs improvement in accuracy this season to be a top pick. If Kizer had come back and played really well I think he would have been the 3rd QB on the board and a certain 1st rounder. And I'm not taking a position on whether he should have gone or stayed this year. Water under the bridge at this point.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

If Kizer isn't one of the first two QB's taken, and falls out of round one, does that officially become "Brian Kelly was right and he should have come back?"

Idk what next year's draft class at QB looks like, but it would be an interesting debate.

BK was right for thinking that DeShone could have used another year and is not fully ready, but he is wrong for saying that out loud. He has nothing to gain from putting down one of his former players and it can only turn on him negatively by the media spinning it as Kelly throwing players under the bus again or it hurting in recruiting or with the current team because they see Kelly won't support them.

But I also think that while DeShone could have used another year, it was smart for him to come out this year. Not only is this draft class weaker, but him coming back could have also hurt his stock. One of his biggest strengths is the fact that he can read a defense and has made more NFL type progressions than the other QBs in this class. While I love the thought of us running real RPOs next year, DeShone must have known that the offense was going to change and not emphasize his strengths anymore while also being forced to run an offense that is seen as more gimmicky than what he ran before. And on top of all that, his QB coach who has coached some great QBs was leaving and he was going to be stuck with a first year coach. So I think he was smart to take his chances and hope a team sees the potential that is there if they take him and can sit him for a year. And I think a lot of teams with older QBs are looking at just that this year. Recently I have seen drafts with the Giants, Steelers, Chiefs, and Chargers taking QBs in addition to the QB needy teams. So I think everyone will be a bit suprised when they see the run on QBs that happens in the first round, and even if it doesn't, I can't see DeShone falling past the Bears in the second round.

 

[IrishLion]

And I'm not taking a position on whether he should have gone or stayed this year. Water under the bridge at this point.

For sure. It's sounds crazy because generally, of course you'd want a first-round QB to return to school as a fan of that school, because it *should* mean an elite offense on the field... but at the same time, a guy like Wimbush waiting in the wings and now getting his shot might be a good change from a team that went 4-8. Especially with the (potential) change in offense, and the fact that Wimbush might have been getting impatient waiting his turn.

 

[dwshade]

For sure. It's sounds crazy because generally, of course you'd want a first-round QB to return to school as a fan of that school, because it *should* mean an elite offense on the field... but at the same time, a guy like Wimbush waiting in the wings might be a good change from a team that went 4-8? Especially with the (potential) change in offense.

Only thing that scares me if what happens if Wimbush gets injured. Now you're down to Book and Davis. But I'm excited to see Wimbush just hope he stays healthy all season.

 

[IrishLion]

Only thing that scares me if what happens if Wimbush gets injured. Now you're down to Book and Davis. But I'm excited to see Wimbush just hope he stays healthy all season.

We're still due for some good injury fortune after '14 and '15. Last year was okay health-wise, but we still have some injury karma in the bank.

 

[dwshade]

We're still due for some good injury fortune after '14 and '15. Last year was okay health-wise, but we still have some injury karma in the bank.

Especially Shaun Crawford.

 

[NDdomer2]

Next year's draft will likely feature Josh Rosen (UCLA) and Sam Darnhold (USC) as the two premier QB's. If they had been eligible for this year's draft they would likely have been the top two picks. Lamar Jackson from Louisville will be eligible but he really needs improvement in accuracy this season to be a top pick. If Kizer had come back and played really well I think he would have been the 3rd QB on the board and a certain 1st rounder. And I'm not taking a position on whether he should have gone or stayed this year. Water under the bridge at this point.

Well if he was guaranteed to be the third qb next year, he is considered anywhere from 2nd-4th this year depending how u feel on mahomes. Guess it doesn't matter which year he left.

 

[dwshade]

Daniel Jeremiah had an interesting column today on nfl.com. He talked to five NFL personnel executives and asked them how many QB's would go round one. The responses:

Executive 1- Predicted 3. Watson, Trubisky and someone would trade up into late 1st round for either Mahomes or Webb.

Executive 2- Predicted 4 but offered no names

Executive 3- Predicted 2. Watson and Webb. Said Webb is 2nd best QB in draft and he wasn't buying the hype on Trubisky or Mahomes

Executive 4- Predicted 2. Trubisky and Mahomes. (obviously he and exec. #3 have completely different thoughts on the QB's)

Executive 5- Predicted 3. Watson, Trubisky, Mahomes.

This is going to be an unpredictable draft because of the diverse opinions on this year's QB class.

 

[NDdomer2]

Daniel Jeremiah had an interesting column today on nfl.com. He talked to five NFL personnel executives and asked them how many QB's would go round one. The responses:

Executive 1- Predicted 3. Watson, Trubisky and someone would trade up into late 1st round for either Mahomes or Webb.

Executive 2- Predicted 4 but offered no names

Executive 3- Predicted 2. Watson and Webb. Said Webb is 2nd best QB in draft and he wasn't buying the hype on Trubisky or Mahomes

Executive 4- Predicted 2. Trubisky and Mahomes. (obviously he and exec. #3 have completely different thoughts on the QB's)

Executive 5- Predicted 3. Watson, Trubisky, Mahomes.

This is going to be an unpredictable draft because of the diverse opinions on this year's QB class.

only executive 2 appears to have Kizer going in round 1.

 

[dwshade]

only executive 2 appears to have Kizer going in round 1.

That would be an assumption of course.

 

[BobbyMac]

only executive 2 appears to have Kizer going in round 1.

..and none of those exec's are probably in the market for a QB. So any info they have is from their buddies lying to them at the meetings.

Obviously I hope he goes as a high as possible for the recruiting juice but for his sake I hope he ends up at the end of the 1st or 2nd so he's with a team that doesn't throw him out there too soon. I'd have been fine if the Bears would've kept Hoyer for the 2 years KC gave him and drafted Kizer. Three years of Glennon means no QB to me.

 

[NDdomer2]

That would be an assumption of course.

you right, it could be mahomes, webb, trubisky, watson.

Either way, none of that looks good for Kizer.