'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[NDRock]

Alex Smith was not very good, early on in his career. This might be true of a lot of guys, but I think it speaks to the idea that he could have learned/honed some of those skills in his senior year in college, and been ahead of the game in the NFL.

His QB rating, by year:

2005: 40.8
2006: 74.8
2007: 57.2
2008: DNP
2009: 81.5
2010: 82.1
2011: 90.7
2012: 104.1
2013: 89.1 (first season with Chiefs)
2014: 95.4
2015: 87.7

I wonder how much goes to the fact that he went to the worst team in the NFL. I wonder how different their careers would have been if Rogers went 1st and Smith went 24th to the Packers and was able to sit a couple of years and learn from Favre.

I think part of the problem for #1 overall guys is they go to crap teams and are rushed into the starting spot too early. It can create bad habits and kill a guy's confidence.

 

[stlnd01]

I think part of the problem for #1 overall guys is they go to crap teams and are rushed into the starting spot too early. It can create bad habits and kill a guy's confidence.

Bingo. Almost any QB picked in the top ten is going to be playing before they're ready, and almost by definition are playing for a lousy team. It's not a good environment for learning on the job. Even if you're picked a bit later, that extra year in college might pay off in the long run.

 

[kmoose]

I wonder how much goes to the fact that he went to the worst team in the NFL. I wonder how different their careers would have been if Rogers went 1st and Smith went 24th to the Packers and was able to sit a couple of years and learn from Favre.

I think part of the problem for #1 overall guys is they go to crap teams and are rushed into the starting spot too early. It can create bad habits and kill a guy's confidence.

Didn't seem to bother Andrew Luck that much. He came out a year early, but he could have come out two years early, and still been the #1 overall pick, but chose to stay for his Junior year.

In September 2010, prior to Luck's sophomore season, Sports Illustrated′s Tony Pauline considered him to be "the most NFL-ready of all the draft-eligible quarterback prospects." After a stellar sophomore year, Luck was widely projected to be the No. 1 pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, but decided to return for his junior season. Right after the 2011 draft, in May 2011, he was unanimously projected as the top prospect for the 2012 NFL Draft

 

[ThePiombino]

I wonder how much goes to the fact that he went to the worst team in the NFL. I wonder how different their careers would have been if Rogers went 1st and Smith went 24th to the Packers and was able to sit a couple of years and learn from Favre.

I think part of the problem for #1 overall guys is they go to crap teams and are rushed into the starting spot too early. It can create bad habits and kill a guy's confidence.

Bingo. Almost any QB picked in the top ten is going to be playing before they're ready, and almost by definition are playing for a lousy team. It's not a good environment for learning on the job. Even if you're picked a bit later, that extra year in college might pay off in the long run.

SEE: David Carr -- dude prolly suffers from PTSD from his Houston days

 

[GATTACA!]

I wonder how much goes to the fact that he went to the worst team in the NFL. I wonder how different their careers would have been if Rogers went 1st and Smith went 24th to the Packers and was able to sit a couple of years and learn from Favre.

I think part of the problem for #1 overall guys is they go to crap teams and are rushed into the starting spot too early. It can create bad habits and kill a guy's confidence.

Probably not all that different. You could argue that maybe Rodgers wouldn't be the superstar he is now because he would have been rushed in, but as far as Smith is concerned he just isn't that physically gifted. He was never going to be a guy that wowed you making spectacular throws all over the place. His arm just isn't elite and no amount of bench warming would help that.

 

[GATTACA!]

who is saying that Kizer might be going #1?
that's just crazy talk IMO.

BUT

if true, or even #2 overall....then he HAS to go.

A majority of Browns fans that want us to take a QB at #1 seem to want Kizer. He's by far the most popular name around /r/Browns right now.

I would take him at #1. What really sold me was the ball he threw to Hunter in the endzone against Texas. That was a big boy throw that only a few QBs can make. Beyond just his physical traits he's also got everything you want above the shoulders. Smart kid, absolutely ice cold under pressure, seems to be a good teammate, runs a pro style offense, is already able to make reads at the los, and lots more.

I'd much rather have Kizer than Kaaya Watson or Trubisky.

 

[NDRock]

Didn't seem to bother Andrew Luck that much. He came out a year early, but he could have come out two years early, and still been the #1 overall pick, but chose to stay for his Junior year.

Also helped that he went to a team that made the playoffs nine straight years before the season they tanked. Kinda reminded me of the Spurs and Tim Duncan. I just think what team you go can have a big affect on your future success.

I actually agree that it's usually better for a QB to stay an extra year in college and think Kizer would benefit from it as well (if nothing else maybe avoid being picked by the Browns). With the Rookie scale as it is, coming out early isn't a slam dunk choice either as your bigger contracts will come later. There is always the injury concern of course.

 

[Irish#1]

I don't profess to be a great analyzer of QB talent but I was rewatching the Syracuse game. The throw he made on EQs second TD was spectacular. His release was NFL like and was a bullet. I don't see a lot of college QBs that can make that throw.

Agree, but his issue at the moment is his inconsistency, particularly with some easy throws. He missed on several relatively easy throws against Syracuse. You have to be hitting on those all the time.

Alex Smith was not very good, early on in his career. This might be true of a lot of guys, but I think it speaks to the idea that he could have learned/honed some of those skills in his senior year in college, and been ahead of the game in the NFL.

He wasn't. IMO, the key is to be good enough to avoid the cut for several years while showing improvement every year.

I think it's easy to make arguments for both sides. The only real advantage I see is staying in college allows you to play in games to develop. In the pros, you might be able to devote a lot more time to developing on a daily basis, but except for some preseason games, you're probably sitting on the bench barring injuries to the starter.

 

[GATTACA!]

Also helped that he went to a team that made the playoffs nine straight years before the season they tanked. Kinda reminded me of the Spurs and Tim Duncan. I just think what team you go can have a big affect on your future success.

I actually agree that it's usually better for a QB to stay an extra year in college and think Kizer would benefit from it as well (if nothing else maybe avoid being picked by the Browns). With the Rookie scale as it is, coming out early isn't a slam dunk choice either as your bigger contracts will come later. There is always the injury concern of course.

 

[#1rish]

How is it crazy talk for DeShone to go in the top 1-2 picks? I just did a quick google search of 2017 mock drafts: All of them have him going #1 to the Browns:

NFL Mock Drafts - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com
2017 NFL Mock Draft: Matt Miller's Quarter-Season Predictions | Bleacher Report
2017 NFL Mock Draft - WalterFootball.com
http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/mock-draft/2017/
2017 Way-Too-Early NFL Mock Draft | College Football News

 

[Bluto]

How is it crazy talk for DeShone to go in the top 1-2 picks? I just did a quick google search of 2017 mock drafts: All of them have him going #1 to the Browns:

NFL Mock Drafts - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com
2017 NFL Mock Draft: Matt Miller's Quarter-Season Predictions | Bleacher Report
2017 NFL Mock Draft - WalterFootball.com
http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/mock-draft/2017/
2017 Way-Too-Early NFL Mock Draft | College Football News

He should definitely stay another year then.

 

[gkIrish]

How is it crazy talk for DeShone to go in the top 1-2 picks? I just did a quick google search of 2017 mock drafts: All of them have him going #1 to the Browns:

NFL Mock Drafts - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com
2017 NFL Mock Draft: Matt Miller's Quarter-Season Predictions | Bleacher Report
2017 NFL Mock Draft - WalterFootball.com
http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/mock-draft/2017/
2017 Way-Too-Early NFL Mock Draft | College Football News

Wow I didn't realize how real this is. Would be super cool to see an ND player go #1. Hell I would go to the draft just to see it. Has not happened in my lifetime.

 

[GATTACA!]

He should definitely stay another year then.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Wow I didn't realize how real this is. Would be super cool to see an ND player go #1. Hell I would go to the draft just to see it. Has not happened in my lifetime.

Where is the draft at this year? And how do you get tix? I had a few buddies who went last year to day 2 and they had won tix to go.

 

[gkIrish]

Where is the draft at this year? And how do you get tix? I had a few buddies who went last year to day 2 and they had won tix to go.

I think Philadelphia

 

[NDgradstudent]

How is it crazy talk for DeShone to go in the top 1-2 picks? I just did a quick google search of 2017 mock drafts: All of them have him going #1 to the Browns:

Possibly the top QB in the draft, and yet our coach didn't realize he was the top QB on our roster.

 

[Meatloaf]

I think Philadelphia

That is correct. I will be there booing my ass off. Should be a great time. If DK ends up a brown I'll say a quiet prayer for him.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Possibly the top QB in the draft, and yet our coach didn't realize he was the top QB on our roster.

Has Kizer not started every game?

 

[gkIrish]

Has Kizer not started every game?

Come on man. That's a complete mischaracterization of the QB situation at the start of the year.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Has Kizer not started every game?

Yes, he has, but I think the possible top QB among all NFL draft picks this year deserves more than that. He obviously should have been named the starter before the Texas game. Not saying we would have won had he played every series (not with Uncle Rico still coaching the D- another Kelly mistake) but it would have increased our chances.

I hope this sort of casuistry is not the best that BK defenders have.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I remember that the last practice that the media had access to, the ISD staff thought that it was neck and neck between the QBs. In fact, I think it was Matt Freeman who said that he'd take Zaire.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I think Philadelphia

Thanks. To far of a trip for me

 

[#1rish]

NFL draft: After Watson and Kizer, who are 2017’s best QB prospects?

 

[NorthDakota]

I remember that the last practice that the media had access to, the ISD staff thought that it was neck and neck between the QBs. In fact, I think it was Matt Freeman who said that he'd take Zaire.

Yep. Easy to say it in retrospect. Kelly clearly had a tough decision to make.

 

[RDU Irish]

I remember that the last practice that the media had access to, the ISD staff thought that it was neck and neck between the QBs. In fact, I think it was Matt Freeman who said that he'd take Zaire.

Maybe that is a reflection on how shitty the defense was. Both QBs must have been moving the ball at will. Against real teams with functional defensive sets Kizer dominates.

 

[ulukinatme]

Maybe that is a reflection on how shitty the defense was. Both QBs must have been moving the ball at will. Against real teams with functional defensive sets Kizer dominates.

Maybe, but we've also seen little of Zaire to really know one way or the other. We've seen 2 failed drives where we ran into the teeth of the defense against Texas, and one drive that went well, but was killed by a penalty. We've seen one play where he slipped in the mud against NC St, then went back to the sideline. Some mop up handoffs against Nevada I think? We've seen barely a full quarter of game situation work from him, hardly enough to give an honest evaluation. In this offense Kizer is definitely the better of the two quarterbacks though. Other than the NC St. game, the passing portion of the offense has been incredibly more consistent than our running game. To date our running game has only been effective against Nevada and Syracuse. If the roles were reversed and our running game was the more effective part of the offense, I think it would benefit Zaire much more.

 

[connor_in]

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[ACamp1900]

That would be so awesome,... go 11-5... win the Super Bowl and STILL get DK next year??

we freakin pown this league yall.

 

[TDHeysus]

I remember that the last practice that the media had access to, the ISD staff thought that it was neck and neck between the QBs. In fact, I think it was Matt Freeman who said that he'd take Zaire.

Kizer is talked about as going possibly the first QB taken, maybe second in this years draft. If he stays another year, he is favored to be the first QB taken next year.

...are you suggesting that the backup should be playing?

 

[ulukinatme]

Kizer is talked about as going possibly the first QB taken, maybe second in this years draft. If he stays another year, he is favored to be the first QB taken next year.

...are you suggesting that the backup should be playing?

I think all he's saying is that in Camp it was tough to push Kizer ahead of Zaire because both were playing very well against our crappy defense. Reporters even commented how close the two were, not just the coaches.