'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[irishff1014]

I think Kelly's standard he is holding Kiser to is unfair. Yes he played almost all season last year but he also had a much better run game and over all offensive line. Not to mention veteran starters on that side of the ball too. If you get a chance to listen to the press conference it is the first question asked. The reporter not sure which one it is started out buy saying that kiser is 23 in passing efficiency and 14 over all.

 

[IrishLion]

I think Kelly's standard he is holding Kiser to is unfair. Yes he played almost all season last year but he also had a much better run game and over all offensive line. Not to mention veteran starters on that side of the ball too. If you get a chance to listen to the press conference it is the first question asked. The reporter not sure which one it is started out buy saying that kiser is 23 in passing efficiency and 14 over all.

We have this discussion every year.

This has always been Kelly's MO. No matter how well the QB is playing, Kelly will always highlight what needs to be better more so than offering public praise.

He did it at UC when Tony Pike was lighting the world on fire. Pike always had "better decisions to make." Collaros could run for 200 and pass for 300, but he always had to "check into the right play more often."

Rees never got outright praise, even after pulling this team out of the fire several times.

Golson is the only guy he's publicly adored over. If you think about it, that should tell you everything you need to know about how he handles his successful QB's.

 

[ulukinatme]

We have this discussion every year.

This has always been Kelly's MO. No matter how well the QB is playing, Kelly will always highlight what needs to be better more so than offering public praise.

He did it at UC when Tony Pike was lighting the world on fire. Pike always had "better decisions to make." Collaros could run for 200 and pass for 300, but he always had to "check into the right play more often."

Rees never got outright praise, even after pulling this team out of the fire several times.

Golson is the only guy he's publicly adored over. If you think about it, that should tell you everything you need to know about how he handles his successful QB's.

Kelly always has his imprint on the QBs, more than any other position. You're right, he knows those guys well. Golson needed to be coddled, whereas the other QBs have had thicker skin. He says exactly what those guys need to hear.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="da" dir="ltr">DeShone Kizer passing on 3rd down: 20-29 (69%), 4 TD, 1 Int, 8.3 yds/att</p>— CFB Film Room (@CFBFilmRoom) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFBFilmRoom/status/780848282989830144">September 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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say that's rather impressive

 

[Irish Insanity]

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Hat's off to DeShone :

Kizer set a Notre Dame record with 471 yards passing in a win (there have been two other higher passing totals which came in losses). He also threw three more touchdowns and ran for his 6th on the season. Last year Kizer set a Notre Dame record for rushing TDs by a quarterback with 10 and is now on pace to shatter his own record.
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On the season Kizer has thrown 14 touchdowns and run for another 6. He’s on pace for 36 passing touchdowns and 15 rushing. The Notre Dame single season passing touchdowns record is 37 by Brady Quinn in 2006. That record is well within reach for Kizer at this point. With 35 career passing touchdowns now, Kizer has already moved into 7th all-time at Notre Dame with Everett Golson and Rick Mirer (41 each) and Ron Powlus (52) within reach this season.

It doesn't hurt having a St. Brown, (among others,) either!

Kizer and St. Brown did it again after a Syracuse score—and less than five minutes into the contest Notre Dame had run four offensive plays and led 23-13. Phew!

On the season St. Brown improved his totals to 25 receptions, 541 yards, and 6 touchdowns. And he is getting better each week. The single season receiving touchdowns record at Notre Dame sits at 15 with Golden Tate, Jeff Smardzija, Rhema McKnight, and Will Fuller all tied. St. Brown is pace to have 15 this year. He is also on pace for 1,400+ yards this season while the Notre Dame single season record is 1,496 by Tate in 2009

 

[TDHeysus]

The Hair Domer, Mel Kiper was on the ESPN this morning and spoke about Kizer. You can tell that Mel really wants Kizer to stay another year; his angle was that Kizer should really stay another year as it will solidify his skills and draft position(used Carson Wentz as a guy that stayed and developed skills and came into the NFL ready-to-play).

When pressed (and he had to be pressed) about Kizer's draft prospects for this year, he reluctantly acknowledged that he would go high in the draft, but offered up Jared Goff as an example of someone who came out early and still needs to develop and was not ready-to-play.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Wentz wasn't on anybody's radar, that's the difference.

 

[BobbyMac]

The Hair Domer, Mel Kiper was on the ESPN this morning and spoke about Kizer. You can tell that Mel really wants Kizer to stay another year; his angle was that Kizer should really stay another year as it will solidify his skills and draft position(used Carson Wentz as a guy that stayed and developed skills and came into the NFL ready-to-play).

When pressed (and he had to be pressed) about Kizer's draft prospects for this year, he reluctantly acknowledged that he would go high in the draft, but offered up Jared Goff as an example of someone who came out early and still needs to develop and was not ready-to-play.

Question... Where would one develop more? In the NFL where he can devote 60+ hrs a week as a back-up or a starter, with no distractions (minus trips to the Ferrari dealer), immersed in the offense he will run for the next 4+ years against NFL defenders allowing him to get used to the speed of the game on Sundays.

OR

In college with school requirements, perfecting an offense he will never run again, which includes mastering the read option, ignoring the TE and RB's for the most part and the complete useless time spent calling his own number in the running game?

At least the O lineman have an ex-NFL position coach teaching them Sunday school everyday. He doesn't have that luxury.

 

[gkIrish]

The Hair Domer, Mel Kiper was on the ESPN this morning and spoke about Kizer. You can tell that Mel really wants Kizer to stay another year; his angle was that Kizer should really stay another year as it will solidify his skills and draft position(used Carson Wentz as a guy that stayed and developed skills and came into the NFL ready-to-play).

When pressed (and he had to be pressed) about Kizer's draft prospects for this year, he reluctantly acknowledged that he would go high in the draft, but offered up Jared Goff as an example of someone who came out early and still needs to develop and was not ready-to-play.

If you are the #1 pick you did not "come out too early"

 

[irishfan]

After the McGlinchey thing yesterday, I was hoping for more of a definitive answer from Kizer about returning next year. Oh well.

I think he should stay because I think he needs another year to develop personally, but if you have a chance to be the top QB on the board, most tend to go. It will come down to his relationship with Kelly IMO. He has to compete with Watson and I'm not sure who else in the 2017 Draft. Next year, he'd have to deal with Rosen, Lamar Jackson, and anyone who could emerge in the next 1.5 years. Seems like there will be more QB competition in the 2018 Draft.

 

[kmoose]

If you are the #1 pick you did not "come out too early"

Hello Alex Smith!

 

[ND NYC]

"Don't shake the tree if the fruit ain't ripe!"

 

[gkIrish]

Hello Alex Smith!

Alex Smith has had a nice career. Not sure what point you are making.

I'm not arguing that Goff is going to be good. I'm saying he came out at exactly the right time because all he could do was lose draft stock.

 

[TDHeysus]

If you are the #1 pick you did not "come out too early"

not too early to get paid, but maybe too early to have a successful career.

 

[BobbyMac]

Alex Smith has had a nice career. Not sure what point you are making.

I'm not arguing that Goff is going to be good. I'm saying he came out at exactly the right time because all he could do was lose draft stock.

Nice? #1 draft pick. 125 career starts. 15 games over .500. A Pro-Bowl and $100M (?) in earnings?

More like:

 

[ND NYC]

still trying to figure out why the Rams went after Goff....just don't see it with that kid, not even the potential in a couple years.

 

[dwshade]

Alex Smith has had a nice career. Not sure what point you are making.

I'm not arguing that Goff is going to be good. I'm saying he came out at exactly the right time because all he could do was lose draft stock.

Depends on what you want to accomplish as a pro. Get drafted high or be a great player.

 

[koonja]

After the McGlinchey thing yesterday, I was hoping for more of a definitive answer from Kizer about returning next year. Oh well.

I think he should stay because I think he needs another year to develop personally, but if you have a chance to be the top QB on the board, most tend to go. It will come down to his relationship with Kelly IMO. He has to compete with Watson and I'm not sure who else in the 2017 Draft. Next year, he'd have to deal with Rosen, Lamar Jackson, and anyone who could emerge in the next 1.5 years. Seems like there will be more QB competition in the 2018 Draft.

Did Kizer comment on returning/going pro after this year? I don't see it recently posted. I'm being serious.

 

[dwshade]

Question... Where would one develop more? In the NFL where he can devote 60+ hrs a week as a back-up or a starter, with no distractions (minus trips to the Ferrari dealer), immersed in the offense he will run for the next 4+ years against NFL defenders allowing him to get used to the speed of the game on Sundays.

OR

In college with school requirements, perfecting an offense he will never run again, which includes mastering the read option, ignoring the TE and RB's for the most part and the complete useless time spent calling his own number in the running game?

At least the O lineman have an ex-NFL position coach teaching them Sunday school everyday. He doesn't have that luxury.

Any NFL scout would tell you a QB should stay in college and continue to get experience and work on fundamentals. NFL teams like QB's who have a lot of college starting experience.

 

[dwshade]

The Hair Domer, Mel Kiper was on the ESPN this morning and spoke about Kizer. You can tell that Mel really wants Kizer to stay another year; his angle was that Kizer should really stay another year as it will solidify his skills and draft position(used Carson Wentz as a guy that stayed and developed skills and came into the NFL ready-to-play).

When pressed (and he had to be pressed) about Kizer's draft prospects for this year, he reluctantly acknowledged that he would go high in the draft, but offered up Jared Goff as an example of someone who came out early and still needs to develop and was not ready-to-play.

I have no idea what Kizer will do but if he's smart he should return for one more year. He doesn't turn 21 until January. History tells us that top NFL QB's are in college for 4 years, some 5. Peyton, Eli, Big Ben, Rivers, Brees, Luck, Newton all were in college for four years. Matt Ryan and Russell Wilson were actually 5th year Sr.'s when they entered the draft. Some of those guys have easily gone one year earlier but chose to return to school to better their skills before entering the league. Ryan is especially a great example. Was projected a 1st round pick after his RS JR. season but chose to return to BC because he felt he wasn't ready yet. Next year goes #3 to Falcons and in rookie season leads what had been a bad team into the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers left after 3 seasons but then dropped on draft day and sat behind Favre for three years before playing. Goff left early but Rams are essentially red shirting him this year knowing that he's not ready. Hopefully after the season Kizer will get some solid advice on all of this.

 

[Shamrock Theories]

Did Kizer comment on returning/going pro after this year? I don't see it recently posted. I'm being serious.

Sampson said he gone

 

[Meatloaf]

I have no idea what Kizer will do but if he's smart he should return for one more year. He doesn't turn 21 until January. History tells us that top NFL QB's are in college for 4 years, some 5. Peyton, Eli, Big Ben, Rivers, Brees, Luck, Newton all were in college for four years. Matt Ryan and Russell Wilson were actually 5th year Sr.'s when they entered the draft. Some of those guys have easily gone one year earlier but chose to return to school to better their skills before entering the league. Ryan is especially a great example. Was projected a 1st round pick after his RS JR. season but chose to return to BC because he felt he wasn't ready yet. Next year goes #3 to Falcons and in rookie season leads what had been a bad team into the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers left after 3 seasons but then dropped on draft day and sat behind Favre for three years before playing. Goff left early but Rams are essentially red shirting him this year knowing that he's not ready. Hopefully after the season Kizer will get some solid advice on all of this.

Alternatively you have Matt Barkley who was a sure fire top 5 pick after his Jr year, but returned to USC and cost himself about 30 mil in guaranteed money. If Kizer is gonna get top tier money thrown at him, he should go. Even if he flames out, he'll be rich as hell and never have to work a day in his life.

 

[#1rish]

If he gets graded into the top-10, he's absolutely gone. Very well could go top-5. Honestly, who could pass up $20MM + a signing bonus?

 

[BobbyMac]

Any NFL scout would tell you a QB should stay in college and continue to get experience and work on fundamentals. NFL teams like QB's who have a lot of college starting experience.

I don't generally disagree with this but no one told Goff that this year or Winston that last year. both left a year on the table. There have been numerous guys recently with 5th years available that didn't use them. Luck is one of them and he obviously would have been #1 or #2 if he came out after his RS Soph year with Newton.

So saying any scout would tell you a QB should stay isn't a fact or a consensus.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Question... Where would one develop more? In the NFL where he can devote 60+ hrs a week as a back-up or a starter, with no distractions (minus trips to the Ferrari dealer), immersed in the offense he will run for the next 4+ years against NFL defenders allowing him to get used to the speed of the game on Sundays.

OR

In college with school requirements, perfecting an offense he will never run again, which includes mastering the read option, ignoring the TE and RB's for the most part and the complete useless time spent calling his own number in the running game?

At least the O lineman have an ex-NFL position coach teaching them Sunday school everyday. He doesn't have that luxury.

Sometimes it is just about being older and more mature.

I could turn the argument around and say that a kid in a college setting may have less distractions than one in a pro environment, also.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Sampson said he gone

He should be with the right grade. He has all the tools to be a good/great pro QB

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Sampson said he gone

Really? When?

 

[kmoose]

Alex Smith has had a nice career. Not sure what point you are making.

I'm not arguing that Goff is going to be good. I'm saying he came out at exactly the right time because all he could do was lose draft stock.

Alex Smith is largely considered a bust, as a #1 overall pick. If he had stayed in college another year, maybe he could have focused specifically on the skills he would need for the next level. I mean, he was obviously an outstanding college football player who was unprepared to make the leap to the NFL and perform at an appropriately high level.

 

[gkIrish]

Alex Smith is largely considered a bust, as a #1 overall pick. If he had stayed in college another year, maybe he could have focused specifically on the skills he would need for the next level. I mean, he was obviously an outstanding college football player who was unprepared to make the leap to the NFL and perform at an appropriately high level.

???? Alex Smith is not a bust....And there is nothing 1 year in college would have done to change his NFL career dramatically.

You should be using Jamarcus Russell as an example of a #1 bust...