'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[PANDFAN]

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[zelezo vlk]

Kizer is talked about as going possibly the first QB taken, maybe second in this years draft. If he stays another year, he is favored to be the first QB taken next year.

...are you suggesting that the backup should be playing?

I think all he's saying is that in Camp it was tough to push Kizer ahead of Zaire because both were playing very well against our crappy defense. Reporters even commented how close the two were, not just the coaches.

This. I always thought that it would be Kizer, but I trusted that ISD et al.'s staffs were competent enough when they said that Zaire looked just as good as Kizer in camp. It turns out that we were all bamboozled.

 

[Graybeard52]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's not too early for our first 2017 NFL Mock Draft. It's a loaded class, with two big-name QBs rising to the top. <a href="https://t.co/xxI0AlHGeM">https://t.co/xxI0AlHGeM</a> <a href="https://t.co/0lJR7VAKvr">pic.twitter.com/0lJR7VAKvr</a></p>— Sporting News (@sportingnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/sportingnews/status/786567981392359425">October 13, 2016</a></blockquote>
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It would be great for DK and ND if he was the #1 overall pick but please let The Browns take Watson instead if Kizer declares for the draft. Cleveland is the QB graveyard of The NFL.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

It would be great for DK and ND if he was the #1 overall pick but please let The Browns take Watson instead if Kizer declares for the draft. Cleveland is the QB graveyard of The NFL.

Teams that will be near top that have potential to take a QB:

Cleveland, San Francisco, Chicago, Miami

SF and Miami might work out for him, Cleveland and Chicago are career suicide. At least the Raiders don't need a QB......

 

[ulukinatme]

This. I always thought that it would be Kizer, but I trusted that ISD et al.'s staffs were competent enough when they said that Zaire looked just as good as Kizer in camp. It turns out that we were all bamboozled.

If we were bamboozled, it was because the defense was poor at tackling and our running game probably looked a lot better in camp than it really was. I really thought the running game would be a strength of this offense given the complete lack of experience our receivers had going into this year. As it turns out our offense lives and dies by the pass right now because how inconsistent we're running/blocking. Given those facts, in live game situations Kizer has thrived since passing is his strong suit, while Zaire has looked inferior.

 

[irishff1014]

I personally think him going to the NFL after this year is a bad thing. He could still improve in some areas and if he goes to the Browns his career is gone.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I personally think him going to the NFL after this year is a bad thing. He could still improve in some areas and if he goes to the Browns his career is gone.

Normally I would worry for Kizer, but this year's Browns team is different. The O line isn't great, but it has talent. Gary Barnidge is a good tight end. The receiving corps is actually okay when healthy, and Duke Johnson is a good 3rd down back. Hue Jackson formed Dalton into a legit QB and before he was fired in Oakland, he did a good job with Jason Campbell. Now the Browns will still need to invest in the O line and better receivers, but this isn't the same dumpster fire Browns that we're used to. That being said, Kizer's not ready to step in and be Andrew Luck.

 

[gkIrish]

I personally think him going to the NFL after this year is a bad thing. He could still improve in some areas and if he goes to the Browns his career is gone.

If Kizer would be the 1st or 2nd QB off the board in the draft he should 100% leave IMO.

 

[Luckylucci]

Normally I would worry for Kizer, but this year's Browns team is different. The O line isn't great, but it has talent. Gary Barnidge is a good tight end. The receiving corps is actually okay when healthy, and Duke Johnson is a good 3rd down back. Hue Jackson formed Dalton into a legit QB and before he was fired in Oakland, he did a good job with Jason Campbell. Now the Browns will still need to invest in the O line and better receivers, but this isn't the same dumpster fire Browns that we're used to. That being said, Kizer's not ready to step in and be Andrew Luck.

Coleman and Pryor look legit. I like Duke as a 3rd down back and Crowell has been playing very well. Like you said, they need to get some better oline play but there are a lot of young pieces to work with.

 

[Luckylucci]

If Kizer would be the 1st or 2nd QB off the board in the draft he should 100% leave IMO.

I would agree, its just too much money to pass up. Goff got $18.6 and Wentz got $17.6 as signing bonuses. Plus he'll have his degree. Game over, life is set. And that blonde he's been chasing, will be chasing him, forever.

I hate to say it because I'd like to get a competent DC in here and make a run next year. Sounds like there is a lot of confidence in Wimbush, but I'd feel better bringing back Kizer.

 

[ACamp1900]

It would be great for DK and ND if he was the #1 overall pick but please let The Browns take Watson instead if Kizer declares for the draft. Cleveland is the QB graveyard of The NFL.

Teams that will be near top that have potential to take a QB:

Cleveland, San Francisco, Chicago, Miami

SF and Miami might work out for him, Cleveland and Chicago are career suicide. At least the Raiders don't need a QB......

I personally think him going to the NFL after this year is a bad thing. He could still improve in some areas and if he goes to the Browns his career is gone.

Guys, I get it, the Browns have had trouble getting a QB but you have the dynamic wrong here... it's not that The Browns just have something in the water that once a great QB is brought in they destroy him, it's that they as an organization have been terrible at picking what QBs to bring in... I mean, are we really implying that had Colt McCoy, Branden Weeden or Johnny fvkin Heroin been drafted by another team they'd be all pros now, or that if Cam Newton or Andrew Luck had been drafted by Cleveland they'd be out of the league now?? Please. One real deal QB going to Cleveland would have the same exact result as anywhere else... they just haven't found that guy......




yet.

 

[kmoose]

Normally I would worry for Kizer, but this year's Browns team is different. The O line isn't great, but it has talent. Gary Barnidge is a good tight end. The receiving corps is actually okay when healthy, and Duke Johnson is a good 3rd down back. Hue Jackson formed Dalton into a legit QB and before he was fired in Oakland, he did a good job with Jason Campbell. Now the Browns will still need to invest in the O line and better receivers, but this isn't the same dumpster fire Browns that we're used to. That being said, Kizer's not ready to step in and be Andrew Luck.

Week 1: QB Robert Griffin III breaks the coracoid bone in his left shoulder and is put on season ending IR.

Week 2: QB Josh McCown leaves the game with a hairline fracture in his left shoulder.

Week 5: QB Cody Kessler leaves the game with rib/chest injury. His status for this week is uncertain, depending on his health.

Week 5: QB Charlie Whitehurst injures his knee. He returns to the game, but his contract was terminated this week "with an injury settlement."

I don't think anyone wants to see Kizer get anywhere near Cleveland, unless he is visiting the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

 

[ACamp1900]

Straight up: The Browns may have finally found their QB anyway.

#hottakesforyourhaterasses

 

[Irish Insanity]

Briles will fix the Browns offense and Kizer will be a HOFer

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

If Kizer would be the 1st or 2nd QB off the board in the draft he should 100% leave IMO.

Absolutely. Why stay when (if he's still the coach) Kelly won't just anoint him the starter and make up some QB competition. Kelly's handling of QB's is asinine, Its like he's pissed that he wasn't one.

 

[ulukinatme]

Absolutely. Why stay when (if he's still the coach) Kelly won't just anoint him the starter and make up some QB competition. Kelly's handling of QB's is asinine, Its like he's pissed that he wasn't one.

Yes, Kelly asked Golson to cheat and get expelled. He wanted an immobile Tommy Rees to run his spread offense and be his best scholarship quarterback in 2011 and 2013. He wanted Zaire to get injured last year. He hoped a pro passing QB like Kizer would beat out his true dual threat QBs. Kelly is an asshat!

 

[scUM Hater]

There is no way Kizer is a first round pick, he proved he cant throw in a hurricane. That is definitely something NFL teams look for.

 

[ulukinatme]

There is no way Kizer is a first round pick, he proved he cant throw in a hurricane. That is definitely something NFL teams look for.

Well...to be fair, Drew Stanton couldn't throw in a hurricane either, and he's been a fixture in the NFL for almost a decade

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Yes, Kelly asked Golson to cheat and get expelled. He wanted an immobile Tommy Rees to run his spread offense and be his best scholarship quarterback in 2011 and 2013. He wanted Zaire to get injured last year. He hoped a pro passing QB like Kizer would beat out his true dual threat QBs. Kelly is an asshat!

Huh? I think we can all agree that Texas was a disaster because of his QB 'competition'.

Who called all the f'ing pass plays when Golson was color blind and couldn't hit his own guys if his life depended on it? Who decided to run the pistol formation with Tommy Reese? Who gave Dayne Christ one series?

 

[Luckylucci]

Absolutely. Why stay when (if he's still the coach) Kelly won't just anoint him the starter and make up some QB competition. Kelly's handling of QB's is asinine, Its like he's pissed that he wasn't one.

Good call, Kelly and staff should be given zero credit for how Kizer has performed and grown as a player. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.


I nominate for "Worst Post of The Year" category.


Don't get me wrong, there are reasons to leave, but those certainly aren't ones.

 

[kmoose]

Huh? I think we can all agree that Texas was a disaster because of his QB 'competition'.

No, we can't. We could have won the Texas game with better QB play, but what made it a disaster was the defense.

Who called all the f'ing pass plays when Golson was color blind and couldn't hit his own guys if his life depended on it?

Golson's numbers, in 2 seasons at ND were:
59.5% Completions
5850 yards
41 Touchdowns passing
20 Interceptions

I don't see any reason NOT to let him throw the ball....

Who decided to run the pistol formation with Tommy Reese(Rees)?

Why not? The purpose of the pistol is not to take advantage of a mobile QB. The purpose of the pistol is to give the QB the same advantages as a shotgun, but still allow a RB to get up a head of steam before the LOS.

Who gave Dayne Christ one series?

No one gave Dayne Christ one series. But Kelly gave Dayne Crist one series. Because that was all he earned, apparently. And it's not like it was Kelly fucking it up for him, because he was horrible at Kansas, too. Crist was a 5* guy who just wasn't able to make the leap to D-IA football. It happens. He's now a Vice President and Financial Advisor for Bernstein Private Wealth Management, in L.A., so I doubt he is crying about it.....

 

[ulukinatme]

Huh? I think we can all agree that Texas was a disaster because of his QB 'competition'.

Who called all the f'ing pass plays when Golson was color blind and couldn't hit his own guys if his life depended on it? Who decided to run the pistol formation with Tommy Reese? Who gave Dayne Christ one series?

Uhhh, no. Not by a long shot, we can't agree on that. Most people have pointed to the defense on that one, and rightly so. Texas was a disaster because the defense gave up 50 points. 50. Points. The three series that Zaire played did not cost us the game, we still put up 40+ points regardless.

As far as all the pass plays when Golson was in, there was probably a lot of good will built up after that 2012 season when Everett played with a limited playbook. They likely didn't expect the feast or famine Golson they got in 2014 when he returned. As far as Dayne, Crist also played well at times in 2010 before the injury, although I was pulling for Tommy at the start of 2011 given the way we finished the previous season. Dayne played like a deer in headlights in 2011 though, he just wasn't comfortable anymore. The staff does have a tendency to support the more experienced players. As far as who decided to run the pistol formation with Tommy...yeah...no idea. My guess is they were trying to allow the running back to get a head of steam and run downhill when opponents were loading the box, that's just a guess though.

 

[stlnd01]

Jesus, we're back to arguing about Tommy Rees and Dayne Crist.
Notre Dame is stuck in the past.

 

[stlnd01]

As for Kizer: I like the guy a lot. But he's still got a lot to learn.
And mock drafts in October aren't worth much, especially when you're a big-name quarterback on a blue-chip team.
Just ask Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen.

 

[pkt77242]

No, we can't. We could have won the Texas game with better QB play, but what made it a disaster was the defense.



Golson's numbers, in 2 seasons at ND were:
59.5% Completions
5850 yards
41 Touchdowns passing
20 Interceptions

I don't see any reason NOT to let him throw the ball....



Why not? The purpose of the pistol is not to take advantage of a mobile QB. The purpose of the pistol is to give the QB the same advantages as a shotgun, but still allow a RB to get up a head of steam before the LOS.



No one gave Dayne Christ one series. But Kelly gave Dayne Crist one series. Because that was all he earned, apparently. And it's not like it was Kelly fucking it up for him, because he was horrible at Kansas, too. Crist was a 5* guy who just wasn't able to make the leap to D-IA football. It happens. He's now a Vice President and Financial Advisor for Bernstein Private Wealth Management, in L.A., so I doubt he is crying about it.....

A VP title in banking/wealth management means nothing. When you go into some most large banks the Branch Manager is a VP (and many financial advisors carry the title as well) the title is given out like it is skittles. Obviously he is probably making good money as an FA but the VP title is pretty much meaningless.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

A VP title in banking/wealth management means nothing. When you go into some most large banks the Branch Manager is a VP (and many financial advisors carry the title as well) the title is given out like it is skittles. Obviously he is probably making good money as an FA but the VP title is pretty much meaningless.

Cool beans. He is still making good money in the real world as an ND alum without playing in the NFL. Not sure what your point is.

 

[pkt77242]

Cool beans. He is still making good money in the real world as an ND alum without playing in the NFL. Not sure what your point is.

People include the VP title like it means something (because it does in some fields) but in banking/investments it really doesn't. If you read my post then you should have noticed that I pointed out that he was probably still making good money. So what is your point?

 

[NorthDakota]

A VP title in banking/wealth management means nothing. When you go into some most large banks the Branch Manager is a VP (and many financial advisors carry the title as well) the title is given out like it is skittles. Obviously he is probably making good money as an FA but the VP title is pretty much meaningless.

On my floor at work, we have 32 people (I only know this because one of my bosses said it today), and 3 VP's. Lol.

On the bright side for Dayne, he develops into a Heisman caliber QB on NCAA 10 by his senior year.

 

[kmoose]

A VP title in banking/wealth management means nothing. When you go into some most large banks the Branch Manager is a VP (and many financial advisors carry the title as well) the title is given out like it is skittles. Obviously he is probably making good money as an FA but the VP title is pretty much meaningless.

That's fine....... and completely irrelevant to what I was trying to say. Which is that, although I stated that Crist sucked at Kansas and was a 5* guy that absolutely flamed out in D-IA CFB, that should not be misconstrued as me bashing Crist. The guy is still a successful young man in his career field. Just not on the football field. The VP title might not mean the same as it does in other industries, but it still signifies that he is not some peon shuffling papers.

 

[Rack Em]

Wtf is going on in this thread? Why don't y'all go home and talk to your wives about your feelings instead of this bullshit.