'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[IrishLion]

my annual rant:

can coach Kelly PLEASE get the plays in faster this year!!?? get some tempo going at long last?

so tired of the play clock running down under 10, seeing the qb looking to the sidelines for the play...been going on since BK has been coach. so tired of us calling time out before the first play of the game (has happened MULTIPLE times under BK)

end rant...

GO IRISH!

I actually thought we did a much better job of this last year... the play clock still went under 10 a lot, but I felt like Kizer was getting the snap with plenty of time, rather than just in the nick of time (like with Tommy and Everett).

 

[Wild Bill]

Grossman won the job after the 2nd game....and never looked back

I actually hope that happens here. LOL

No, they split time the entire year.

 

[woolybug25]

Actually in Ainge's second year, Clausen played quite a bit. 2005 they split a lot of time during the year

And none of this will matter if we are winning games, you will be right at that point.

I just know that KElly cant get the damn plays in with ONE QB, much less swapping in two. LOL

That's bullshit. Ainge infamously nailed his head against the goal post, battled addiction and played very up and down throughout the season. It wasn't a platoon. Every time Clausen played it was a result of Ainge getting hurt or because he was playing so bad that they took him out. It simply wasn't a platoon system. It was a struggling team trying to find an answer. I'm not backing down on this.

During his sophomore season in 2005, Ainge completed 66 of 145 passes for 737 yards, five touchdowns, and seven interceptions, in just eight games.[2] One of his most infamous moments came in the Vols' game against LSU. To avoid getting sacked in the end zone by LaRon Landry, Ainge flung the ball up into the air just before he was ruled down for a safety. Ainge's head also hit the goalpost on the play, tweaking his neck. As a result, Clausen again took over. Ainge finished his sophomore season with a strong performance and a win at Kentucky.

That sound like a platoon?

 

[ulukinatme]

People continue to repeat the "If you have 2 QBs, you have no QB" mantra, but that is not what we're experiencing here. We have two very gifted QBs that have been in the system for a long time and are experienced with it. Most teams don't have that kind of benefit, save for a few of the top tier programs, and NONE of them have had to endure the amount of interruptions to their QB progressions like we have (Suspensions, injuries, and recruiting deficiency in Kelly's start at ND). True, very few programs will use a two platoon system at QB, but it's been done on occasion and it can be successful. So, you can beat that drum all day about the offense getting out of rhythm, or the QBs not getting enough reps, but at the end of the day it's going to happen no matter how you feel on the topic. It CAN be successful and Kelly has pulled it off in at least one game in the past so we know he can make it work.

 

[koonja]

People continue to repeat the "If you have 2 QBs, you have no QB" mantra, but that is not what we're experiencing here. We have two very gifted QBs that have been in the system for a long time and are experienced with it. Most teams don't have that kind of benefit, save for a few of the top tier programs, and NONE of them have had to endure the amount of interruptions to their QB progressions like we have (Suspensions, injuries, and recruiting deficiency in Kelly's start at ND). True, very few programs will use a two platoon system at QB, but it's been done on occasion and it can be successful. So, you can beat that drum all day about the offense getting out of rhythm, or the QBs not getting enough reps, but at the end of the day it's going to happen no matter how you feel on the topic. It CAN be successful and Kelly has pulled it off in at least one game in the past so we know he can make it work.

This sounds like OSU last year. Do you think they would have been better off choosing and sticking with one? They had a pretty good year, obviously. But that offense was puke ugly against MSU.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I just know that KElly cant get the damn plays in with ONE QB, much less swapping in two. LOL

If we rotate every play and the QB knows the play call prior to swapping, we can do it.

 

[Irish4Life09]

As long as Kelly doesn't pull a 2011 and screw with our QBs, I dont see a problem. Both have their own unique traits, both are leaders. OSU just proved 2 years ago that you can even have 3 different QBs and be successful.(Even if it wasn't purposefully, 3,it was still 2.)
So lets stop being normal Irish fans, calm the f*ck down, and wait. We'll see what we have in 10 days.

 

[ulukinatme]

This sounds like OSU last year. Do you think they would have been better off choosing and sticking with one? They had a pretty good year, obviously. But that offense was puke ugly against MSU.

Meyer didn't go into 2015 with a two platoon system in mind though. They had a QB competition and went with one guy, then switched. Keep in mind too that Meyer already has a bad track record against Dantonio, he's 1-2 against him which is pretty sad given the talent gap between both teams. Kelly is 3-1 against Dantonio, with the one loss being the missed penalties in the final play of that 2010 game. Some coaches just seem to struggle against other coaches.

 

[Irish#1]

I mentioned this before, so excuse the rehash, but nobody has been able to give me an example.

Many people say that "split QB's don't work", but if you are sure about that, answer me this....

Name me a bad QB situation where the QB's split time, not because neither was good enough to start, but because both QB's were good?

Before you say it's a limited scale, let me give you some examples:

- Walsh & Rudolph (OKst '15)
- Trevor Knight & Blake Bell (OU)
- Jackson & Germaine (OSU '97)
- Tagge & Van Brownson (Neb '70)
- Leak & Tebow

I'll wait...

Meredith and Reeves

I'm opposed to two QB's. You've given some examples where it's worked, but that's an extremely small group when you look at all of the two QB platooning that has gone on over the years. I'm certainly not going to spend time going back through the last 30, 40, 50, 60+ years, but I would have to guess those five examples constitute less then 2-3% of the two QB systems. I hope both play well and lead us to a NC, but history isn't in our favor.

 

[rocket66]

It's a senseless debate. Whoever plays better vs Texas will be the guy for the rest of the season.


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[EddytoNow]

Kelly has two quarterbacks that he is confident can lead the offense. Whoever produces on the field will get the starts and play until he struggles. However, unlike other years Kelly will be more confident in going to his back-up quarterback. I don't think you're going to see either quarterback remain in the game if they are struggling. The days of having 4 or 5 turnovers, and remaining in the game, are over.

 

[NDRock]

It's a senseless debate. Whoever plays better vs Texas will be the guy for the rest of the season.


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You're assuming one guy will obviously outplay the other. Doubt that happens.

 

[woolybug25]

Meredith and Reeves

I'm opposed to two QB's. You've given some examples where it's worked, but that's an extremely small group when you look at all of the two QB platooning that has gone on over the years. I'm certainly not going to spend time going back through the last 30, 40, 50, 60+ years, but I would have to guess those five examples constitute less then 2-3% of the two QB systems. I hope both play well and lead us to a NC, but history isn't in our favor.

I gave you every relevant example in the last 15 years for the most part.

Honestly, Meredith and Reeves played college ball in the 50's under completely different rules. I have no idea what the story was between them or how it is relevant to today's game. If this is indeed a small sample of the platoon QB's that both played because of how good they both were, can you enlighten us with one example that wasn't coached by Bear Bryant or died before half this board was born? I would love to go and research Meredith and Reeves, but there isn't really anything I can find online to tell me a story to confirm or deny your opinion.

If my 5 is really 2-3%, then there should be literally dozens of examples over the last 25 years. Give me one.

 

[ulukinatme]

It's a senseless debate. Whoever plays better vs Texas will be the guy for the rest of the season.


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Has Kelly said he'll decide between the two of them after the game? If not, you assume much.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

Kelly has two quarterbacks that he is confident can lead the offense. Whoever produces on the field will get the starts and play until he struggles. However, unlike other years Kelly will be more confident in going to his back-up quarterback. I don't think you're going to see either quarterback remain in the game if they are struggling. The days of having 4 or 5 turnovers, and remaining in the game, are over.

I can totally see this. I think you're right here.

 

[Fbolt]

That's a no brainer. A QB won't get to 4 or 5 t/o in a game. 2 and you're pulled.

 

[IrishLion]

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Daniel Jeremiah is a very smart dude when it comes to scouting future NFL players... not sure if he's got a good grasp on the college football landscape in general, though. This is a hefty prediction lol.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Damn. Yeah. DJ knows his stuff.

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[NDohio]

Kelly has two quarterbacks that he is confident can lead the offense. Whoever produces on the field will get the starts and play until he struggles. However, unlike other years Kelly will be more confident in going to his back-up quarterback. I don't think you're going to see either quarterback remain in the game if they are struggling. The days of having 4 or 5 turnovers, and remaining in the game, are over.

It would have been very disappointing if this were the scenario last year at Clemson. Kizer did not play well in that first half but the second half was some of the best offense I have seen ND play under Kelly.

I get what you are saying, but there truly is something to a QB playing his way out of his struggles.

I am not excited about a two QB system...

 

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Daniel Jeremiah is a very smart dude when it comes to scouting future NFL players... not sure if he's got a good grasp on the college football landscape in general, though. This is a hefty prediction lol.

I hope he's right but Kizer will have to surpass even most Irish fan's expectations if he's going to beat some of the other frontrunners: Watson, Fournette and Mcaffrey

Those three already put up monster numbers so if Kizer's able to be in the same conversation as them, we'll be making a playoff run.

 

[RDU Irish]

I hope he's right but Kizer will have to surpass even most Irish fan's expectations if he's going to beat some of the other frontrunners: Watson, Fournette and Mcaffrey

Those three already put up monster numbers so if Kizer's able to be in the same conversation as them, we'll be making a playoff run.

Manti finished #2 in Heisman voting - I think an ND QB leading us to the playoffs will do a little better than you think in the popularity contest formerly known as the Heisman trophy.

 

[gkIrish]

We have smart, national analysts picking Kizer to win the Heisman and we are in a 2 QB system.

...smh

 

[BobbyMac]

We have smart, national analysts picking Kizer to win the Heisman and we are in a 2 QB system.

...smh

How "smart" is it to pick a guy who's not getting 100% of the snaps?

 

[IrishLion]

We have smart, national analysts picking Kizer to win the Heisman and we are in a 2 QB system.

...smh

Maybe it's because Zaire is a Heisman shoe-in as well?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[zelezo vlk]

Clearly he thinks that Kizer will play himself out of that role

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[IrishLion]

Clearly he thinks that Kizer will play himself out of that role

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^That's the real answer. It says it right there in his "Fearless CFB Prediction" piece haha

 

[gkIrish]

How "smart" is it to pick a guy who's not getting 100% of the snaps?

1) Did you read his explanation? I'm guessing no.

2) If DJ thinks that highly of Kizer that means he is the truth and we are wasting snaps on Zaire (again, I have nothing but love for Malik but Kizer should play).

 

[BobbyMac]

1) Did you read his explanation? I'm guessing no.

2) If DJ thinks that highly of Kizer that means he is the truth and we are wasting snaps on Zaire (again, I have nothing but love for Malik but Kizer should play).

I don't need to read it. (but I did)

I'm not predicting a guy who hasn't won his position is going to win the Heisman. I won't even mention that said player lost the games most electric playmaker at WR and the #1 LT in the NFL Draft. I also won't add that they get back their starting RB from the year before and the all time leading freshman RB in program history. You can add inexperience at WR if you want, i don't have time.

Tell me another time in the history of college football this has happened.

I hope MZ pulls another Texas '15 and benches DK for good so I can see a bunch of grown men swallow their pom poms.

 

[ND NYC]

IMO we should be more concerned with our WR corps (and TEs) than who our starting QB is going to be.

lot of unproven guys
.

 

[BobbyMac]

1) Did you read his explanation? I'm guessing no.

2) If DJ thinks that highly of Kizer that means he is the truth and we are wasting snaps on Zaire (again, I have nothing but love for Malik but Kizer should play).

They should fire Sanford and hire Jeremiah. CBK really dropped the ball hiring him apparently.