'14 CO ATH Nathan Starks (UCLA Verbal)

[IrishLax]

I have no doubt that the staff has stepped up contact here, but I want to know if they ran his situation by admissions first or dies this have the potential to be an 11th hour letdown.

Everything has to the potential to be an 11th hour meltdown. 13th hour in EV's case.

I have no doubt that there is still some admissions murkiness, and I'm skeptical it gets worked out.

 

[ThePiombino]

Everything has to the potential to be an 11th hour meltdown. 13th hour in EV's case.

I have no doubt that there is still some admissions murkiness, and I'm skeptical it gets worked out.

I'm with you.

 

[Emcee77]

Everything has to the potential to be an 11th hour meltdown. 13th hour in EV's case.

I have no doubt that there is still some admissions murkiness, and I'm skeptical it gets worked out.

This. I'm hopeful but not optimistic, if that's possible?

I hope things work out, but I realize that we still just don't know the full, true circumstances surrounding Starks's transfer to CO. If it's as bad as the worst rumor, no way he gets in. If it's as (relatively) harmless as some other rumors would have it, I think there's a shot.

 

[ResLife Hero]

This. I'm hopeful but not optimistic, if that's possible?

I hope things work out, but I realize that we still just don't know the full, true circumstances surrounding Starks's transfer to CO. If it's as bad as the worst rumor, no way he gets in. If it's as (relatively) harmless as some other rumors would have it, I think there's a shot.

Plan for the best but prepare for the worst seems to be the only way to not go insane for anyone following ND recruiting. There's always a twist.

 

[NDPhilly]

Without the off the field issues this kid is without a doubt a top 100 recruit. Really hope we can somehow get him in this class.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Drug dealer, won't get admitted.

He gives the people what they want! We want Starks!

 

[Kanye West]

Yes please! !!! Do it admissions

 

[ryno 24]

This recruitment got me poppin molly's got me sweating go me going wooooo

 

[ND NYC]

theres just no way a kid who was dealing gets past admissions.
and to be honest i dont think we should even be (am surprised we are) recruiting him with knowledge of this.

i am mentally moviing on from this guy...

 

[IrishLax]

theres just no way a kid who was dealing gets past admissions.
and to be honest i dont think we should even be (am surprised we are) recruiting him with knowledge of this.

i am mentally moviing on from this guy...

See here's the deal... him "dealing" is nothing but hearsay. Was he convicted of anything? No. Was he charged with anything? No. Was he even arrested? No. There is no tangible record whatsoever of him "dealing" so how can admissions even really consider that?

For all that anyone can actually definitively say... and all that would actually go on an admissions packet... would probably be "expelled for violation of school rules." That in and of itself is enough to preclude almost anyone from attending ND, but it's not like Starks is freaking Tuco Saltamachia. The extent of the "dealing" could be he had something and a friend bought it, the friend got caught and said he got it from Starks. That's not good, but it's really not the end of the world.

Consider that our President of the United States himself admits to doing cocaine... then ask yourself if Starks gave a friend a party drug used by hundreds of thousands of teenagers and young adults if that's really a huge indictment of his character.

 

[ND NYC]

See here's the deal... him "dealing" is nothing but hearsay. Was he convicted of anything? No. Was he charged with anything? No. Was he even arrested? No. There is no tangible record whatsoever of him "dealing" so how can admissions even really consider that?

For all that anyone can actually definitively say... and all that would actually go on an admissions packet... would probably be "expelled for violation of school rules." That in and of itself is enough to preclude almost anyone from attending ND, but it's not like Starks is freaking Tuco Saltamachia. The extent of the "dealing" could be he had something and a friend bought it, the friend got caught and said he got it from Starks. That's not good, but it's really not the end of the world.

Consider that our President of the United States himself admits to doing cocaine... then ask yourself if Starks gave a friend a party drug used by hundreds of thousands of teenagers and young adults if that's really a huge indictment of his character.

oh, i thought he was caught, and thats why he was expelled. my bad.

even so, dont we think admissions may ask him/needs to/should ask him "by the way why were you kicked out of school?" at some point though? surely that is part of his "record" no? (or maybe not??) maybe he is sticking to story of i transferred to another school.

 

[Emcee77]

See here's the deal... him "dealing" is nothing but hearsay. Was he convicted of anything? No. Was he charged with anything? No. Was he even arrested? No. There is no tangible record whatsoever of him "dealing" so how can admissions even really consider that?

For all that anyone can actually definitively say... and all that would actually go on an admissions packet... would probably be "expelled for violation of school rules." That in and of itself is enough to preclude almost anyone from attending ND, but it's not like Starks is freaking Tuco Saltamachia. The extent of the "dealing" could be he had something and a friend bought it, the friend got caught and said he got it from Starks. That's not good, but it's really not the end of the world.

Consider that our President of the United States himself admits to doing cocaine... then ask yourself if Starks gave a friend a party drug used by hundreds of thousands of teenagers and young adults if that's really a huge indictment of his character.

EXACTLY. We don't know what happened, so we don't know whether Starks can get into ND. We just have to let it play out.

 

[IrishLax]

oh, i thought he was caught, and thats why he was expelled. my bad.

even so, dont we think admissions may ask him/needs to/should ask him "by the way why were you kicked out of school?" at some point though? surely that is part of his "record" no? (or maybe not??) maybe he is sticking to story of i transferred to another school.

Yeah absolutely. That's really the crux of the issue. He was expelled, and if he has to provide an explanation why (or his school does) it could get messy. Does it say "expelled for violation of school rules" or "expelled for a drug related incident" or what? But he has no criminal record (to my knowledge) and this wasn't any sort of legal matter. It's like how punching your brother might get you a spanking from your parents, but that's way different than punching him at a bar and getting arrested for assault by a cop.

There's a lot of variables we don't know. That's all I'm really getting at. The expulsion alone is a HUGE hurdle but I don't really know how much this whole thing about "dealing" is overblown. There is no record of it, none of us know the details/extent, and I think any reasonable person would conclude he's not some drug kingpin.

What if he has a 4.0 GPA at his new school, is an overall good egg, and the blemish is the expulsion for an obfuscated reason? I could see a lot of wiggle room on that. Certainly there are a lot of schools still actively recruiting him.

 

[NDdomer2]

Yeah absolutely. That's really the crux of the issue. He was expelled, and if he has to provide an explanation why (or his school does) it could get messy. Does it say "expelled for violation of school rules" or "expelled for a drug related incident" or what? But he has no criminal record (to my knowledge) and this wasn't any sort of legal matter. It's like how punching your brother might get you a spanking from your parents, but that's way different than punching him at a bar and getting arrested for assault by a cop.

There's a lot of variables we don't know. That's all I'm really getting at. The expulsion alone is a HUGE hurdle but I don't really know how much this whole thing about "dealing" is overblown. There is no record of it, none of us know the details/extent, and I think any reasonable person would conclude he's not some drug kingpin.

What if he has a 4.0 GPA at his new school, is an overall good egg, and the blemish is the expulsion for an obfuscated reason? I could see a lot of wiggle room on that. Certainly there are a lot of schools still actively recruiting him.

I also thought these kids got an interview to demonstrate their character and that whether they were superb students or not the university was looking for traits that lead them to believe the person was a competitor (not just on the field but in classroom).

I would hope if Starks gets asked about it he comes completely clean and demonstrates how it has positively changed his life.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I don't know if this has been talked about earlier

Did he actually get expelled?

In CA, your school can give you an "opportunity transfer"... which is a nice way of saying you got kicked out.

 

[IrishLax]

I don't know if this has been talked about earlier

Did he actually get expelled?

In CA, your school can give you an "opportunity transfer"... which is a nice way of saying you got kicked out.

Gorman's Nate Starks dismissed from school, won't play for Gaels in 2013 - High School Sports News - Las Vegas Sun News

Says he was "dismissed" for a "violation of school rules"... is dismissed the same as expelled? Probably.

I'll also add that there has never been a single report -- not from a school, newspaper, or law enforcement -- of anything having to do with drugs, much less dealing. This is why I'm framing everything how I am... as far as the record is concerned, he was simply dismissed for a violation of school rules. The end. Regardless of how much stock people put in their different sources and internet rumors, none of that shows up on an application.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I re watched his tapes and forgot how damn good he is. IMO based on talent at least a top 50 prospect.

 

[NDWorld247]

Says he was "dismissed" for a "violation of school rules"... is dismissed the same as expelled? Probably.

It's the same thing. I was curious about that a few months ago and looked it up in the Gorman student handbook. I believe they use the word "expel" in the handbook.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I guess that closes that potential loophole.

 

[ND NYC]

if he was 18 not 17...would we have a clearer understanding of what the real issue is here?

(see where im going here...)

 

[Sherm Sticky]

if he was 18 not 17...would we have a clearer understanding of what the real issue is here?

(see where im going here...)

I don't think so, because he was never arrested.

 

[Grahambo]

I'm in the business of 2nd chances, always have been and always will be.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I'm in the business of 2nd chances, always have been and always will be.

Out of Albuquerque per chance?

 

[Grahambo]

Out of Albuquerque per chance?

Well played Sir.

 

[NCDomer]

He only has two traffic citations showing in the Las Vegas court system over the last two years. Nothing at the District level. Caveat: the results are based on name alone, so I'm not even 100% sure it's the same Nathan Starks.

 

[Irishnuke]

He only has two traffic citations showing in the Las Vegas court system over the last two years. Nothing at the District level. Caveat: the results are based on name alone, so I'm not even 100% sure it's the same Nathan Starks.

I was a Navy recruiter for three years and had to do a butt load of background checks. If he's not 18 yet then it's highly unlikely that's the same guy. In the OC where I recruited you had to go to the juvenile court to get records for kids less than 18. If they were over 18 you could find out online.

 

[BGIF]

I have no doubt that the staff has stepped up contact here, but I want to know if they ran his situation by admissions first or dies this have the potential to be an 11th hour letdown.

You're about 10 hours late from the gist of this thread.

 

[BGIF]

Gorman's Nate Starks dismissed from school, won't play for Gaels in 2013 - High School Sports News - Las Vegas Sun News

Says he was "dismissed" for a "violation of school rules"... is dismissed the same as expelled? Probably.

I'll also add that there has never been a single report -- not from a school, newspaper, or law enforcement -- of anything having to do with drugs, much less dealing. This is why I'm framing everything how I am... as far as the record is concerned, he was simply dismissed for a violation of school rules. The end. Regardless of how much stock people put in their different sources and internet rumors, none of that shows up on an application.

Frame how you like BUT when was the last time ND admitted someone dismissed from H.S.?

Or if you chose, when was the first time?

 

[ThePiombino]

You're about 10 hours late from the gist of this thread.

No thanks. Pretty sure I get the situation here, just like the rest of you. Was merely expressing my concern, just like EVERYONE else has done over the past few months. I'll be sure to run my future posts by you first though, so as not to embarrass myself again...

 

[Emcee77]

Tunnel Vision guys say that Starks is not a take and "odds are against" him becoming a take, but we are still in contact and, if things change, they like our chances.