'14 CO ATH Nathan Starks (UCLA Verbal)

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DCIrish said:
What is the stuff ND does?
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I mean that ND actually cares if you got kicked out of your previous school, whereas most FBS schools give zero craps about something like that. USC and UCLA are both highly respected academic institutions... they both also take felons, JUCOs that will never graduate, kids who are having trouble meeting NCAA minimums, etc. Doesn't seem to hurt their academic reputation one iota.
 
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This is kind of amusing cause its UCLA. If Starks didn't have legit interest in ND (and a majority of us didnt want ND to make an exception and admit Starks), we'd all be talking about how Mora is so slimy for offering this kid.
 
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IrishLax said:
I mean that ND actually cares if you got kicked out of your previous school, whereas most FBS schools give zero craps about something like that. USC and UCLA are both highly respected academic institutions... they both also take felons, JUCOs that will never graduate, kids who are having trouble meeting NCAA minimums, etc. Doesn't seem to hurt their academic reputation one iota.
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I take this to mean that Notre Dame is unwisely holding athletes to too high of standards? Because I'd agree with that.
 
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IrishLax said:
I mean that ND actually cares if you got kicked out of your previous school, whereas most FBS schools give zero craps about something like that. USC and UCLA are both highly respected academic institutions... they both also take felons, JUCOs that will never graduate, kids who are having trouble meeting NCAA minimums, etc. Doesn't seem to hurt their academic reputation one iota.
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Even the US Army didn't seem to mind.
 
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SoJerseyIrish said:
So he just talked to Mora? I guess the dead period is over?
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No it's not, but they can always say that Starks initiated the call - which would be allowed I believe. My guess is that Mora worked his usual dirty tricks to contact STarks, but what do I know.. Either way, it can never be proven since call records are about the only thing that could prove it one way or the other and without subpoena power, the NCAA can't do d!ck about it..
 
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wtf was starks doing in the army AA game anyways??

did he even play this year? is it just that the guys at rivals tell them who to pick?
 
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ThePiombino said:
No it's not, but they can always say that Starks initiated the call - which would be allowed I believe. My guess is that Mora worked his usual dirty tricks to contact STarks, but what do I know.. Either way, it can never be proven since call records are about the only thing that could prove it one way or the other and without subpoena power, the NCAA can't do d!ck about it..
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Interesting. He didn't have an offer before the game either. So he had to magically find out about the offer and proactively reach out to Mora.

I'm sure he gave him his number previously.... Right?

Mora... The new Sneaky Pete
 
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This thread has had a chance to let me organize my thoughts a bit;

I have become a bigger ND fan because of the way they do business (by in large.)

In life, those that cut corners never really come out ahead.

I would be more than satisfied with a top ten team that has the highest graduation rate and consistently puts out men that make me proud to be a fan, than a school that claims a championship and has the kind of schmucks that we see populating football.

From Urban to Aaron, if that is what winning it all takes today, you can have it.

Furthermore, I don't think it needs to be that way. Whether you like Jim Harbaugh or not he built a championship program at Stanford under difficult conditions, in the shadows of Slimy Pete. He did it with the right guys. I didn't say the "right kind of guys", I said the right guys.

He found top talent overlooked and team players. And but for luck, he would have had a NC had he stayed one more year. I believe that.

Kelly is on the path. So I would give the current process a few more years to grind before I enacted the Pinkett plan.
 
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So basically ND is fine with not winning a National Title as Long as it's done the way we're going about business right now. Can you imagine what kind of tradition ND would have if we only based our football program on Wins & Losses since we started going by having a higher academic standard s then everyone else. We wouldn't be considered for shit, but every one wants to ride what great tradition we had which sure wasn't made doing what we do now. I'm all for hold players for higher accountability then other teams that's great but let's do so by modeling ourselves with someone other then Stanford. They should be modeling them after us. They haven't won shit and we're striving to be like them. Try modeling our team at least with a team that has won a National Title in the past 30 years.
 
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woolybug25 said:
Interesting. He didn't have an offer before the game either. So he had to magically find out about the offer and proactively reach out to Mora.

I'm sure he gave him his number previously.... Right?

Mora... The new Sneaky Pete
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Well this is exactly the sh!t that really grinds my gears. It's painfully obvious to anyone who is paying attention that there are some dirty deeds being done, but no one is will or able to do anything about it. The commitments makes no sense unless there was prior contact that we are completely in the dark about.
 
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I take this to mean that Notre Dame is unwisely holding athletes to too high of standards? Because I'd agree with that.
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Yeah, it's subjective what you consider "too high" or "too low" but I think we can all agree that your academic reputation as an institution is not affected by the academic prowess of your football players. So then you have to ask what is the point?

I don't mind being strict on what classes they take once they're enrolled or even being harsh with ResLife discipline at ND... but it's a little crazy that we always have so many "non-takes" of guys very interested in ND because of credits, scores, or "concerns."
 
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IrishFan4L said:
So basically ND is fine with not winning a National Title as Long as it's done the way we're going about business right now. Can you imagine what kind of tradition ND would have if we only based our football program on Wins & Losses since we started going by having a higher academic standard s then everyone else. We wouldn't be considered for shit, but every one wants to ride what great tradition we had which sure wasn't made doing what we do now. I'm all for hold players for higher accountability then other teams that's great but let's do so by modeling ourselves with someone other then Stanford. They should be modeling them after us. They haven't won shit and we're striving to be like them. Try modeling our team at least with a team that has won a National Title in the past 30 years.
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BTW, Stanford is the ONLY program to win 11 games in each of the past 4 years
 
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UCLA is at #19 on 247's Composite Ranking.

Seems pretty low for a program that was making a lot of noise on the recruiting trail.
 
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They got Kenny young which is huge. There LB haul with him and Whitley it sick but ended up missing on just about everybody else worth a shit on NSD. In the national recruiting thread I posted what guys they had fair to good chances with and they missed on basically all. Gotta love it, screw Mora.
 
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