'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

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I just do not understand why Golson may not get a shot in Ireland to start...Why call the kid who was the best player on the field today a heart-attack? Seems stupid.

Well, that's probably Kelly's way of encouraging him, rightly or wrongly.

And one thing that cannot be overemphasized is that Golson's starting is just a matter of trust for Kelly. Which is kinda self-explanatory, but at the end of the day means trust that Golson won't make Kelly look stupid in choosing him over a two-year starter and the former #1 pro-style QB in the nation.
 

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Kelly's words
"The guy that really commits to the details this summer is probably one of the guys that's going to start it," Kelly said. "So if you can go to any of those voluntary workouts, then let me know. I'd be happy to field that when I'm on the golf course. Just text me if you have that opportunity. The point is all of them have a lot of work to do. We'll see who does a great job this summer."

Get after it EG!
 

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Golson went against the exact same defense as Hendrix and Rees(Kiel mostly played against the twos and walkons).
If you didn't see how much better Golson is than everyone else, and how close he is, then I don't know what else we can do for you.
The botched snap was on Golic,not Golson. 2 nice Td's,no picks.11-15 for 120. I don't care if Kelly didn't care about stats,those are solid numbers against our skilled defense.

The botched snap is on the QB 90% of the time, and Golson, by all accounts, fumbles A TON in practice. That's a major problem, just like Tommy's picks are. Golson brings a lot to the table, no doubt I've said all winter and spring I wanted him to start), but he also takes too much stuff off the able right now, especially the constant fumbling and his immaturity (not leading by example at all).

Do we really need to bring up all the Spring Game Practice all-stars who turned out to do nothing during the regular season? Golson still has a ways to go in those departments, and he needs to learn how to read the defense and get in the right sets (preferably on time). And of course, he needs to be a real leader and take practice and workouts seriously. If you can't see that, I don't know what else we can do with you.

Great day for Golson, but still a ways to go, and in no way am I considering this competition closed...
 

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I certainly wouldn't consider the competition closed, but i thought it was very telling that the most experienced QB (Rees) performed the worst by a large margin. His fade passes would have been comical if they weren't so sad. On a side note, I'm glad none of the corners have Gary gray syndrome ( inability to turn one's head on poorly thrown balls).
 

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The botched snap is on the QB 90% of the time, and Golson, by all accounts, fumbles A TON in practice. That's a major problem, just like Tommy's picks are. Golson brings a lot to the table, no doubt I've said all winter and spring I wanted him to start), but he also takes too much stuff off the able right now, especially the constant fumbling and his immaturity (not leading by example at all).

Do we really need to bring up all the Spring Game Practice all-stars who turned out to do nothing during the regular season? Golson still has a ways to go in those departments, and he needs to learn how to read the defense and get in the right sets (preferably on time). And of course, he needs to be a real leader and take practice and workouts seriously. If you can't see that, I don't know what else we can do with you.

Great day for Golson, but still a ways to go, and in no way am I considering this competition closed...

I respect the heck out of your opinions and I find myself agreeing with you most of the time, so I'll tread lightly here. But I really think that if BK tabs Rees the starter then his closeness to the situation will have caused him to make the wrong decision - that he is putting too much stock into things he's seeing on the ground level, like missing meetings or coughing the ball up once in a while, when it is clear from 1000 feet bird's eye view that Golson is the best option.

I've been saying this since the game ended, but I'll give this disclaimer again just because I think its important: up until today, I have been arguing that if Rees starts then it is because Golson and Hendrix didn't do enough to win the job and that if BK goes with Rees I would trust him that Tommy gave us the best chance to win. Today totally changed my mind. Now the choice is clear. And if he starts Rees in Ireland I will - for the first time in his tenure at ND - accuse Kelly of making the wrong decision.

I get that it is "only" the spring game, but it really doesn't matter the venue - I've seen enough of Rees and Hendrix to know that they are not capable of doing what Golson can on a football field. All of the stuff you bring up - getting in the right play, leading the team, securing the ball - these are all important things, obviously. And the staff should name him the starter and give him all the reps he needs to master that stuff. But that stuff shouldn't be the criteria for picking a starter. Mastering those things is how Golson will go from being good to being great, but even with those issues at present he gives Notre Dame the best chance to win.

You frequently bring up Golson's alleged fumbling in practice, but the other two guys get out of bed in the morning turning the ball over. Worst case scenario for starting Golson is that the turnover issue stays the same, only the offense will be more productive when we don't turn it over. At least the potential is there for him to improve his ball security, whereas I don't have any confidence that Rees and Hendrix will improve their poor decision-making/throws. The fumbling argument against Golson would be much stronger if the other two guys weren't turnover machines.
 
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The botched snap is on the QB 90% of the time, and Golson, by all accounts, fumbles A TON in practice. That's a major problem, just like Tommy's picks are. Golson brings a lot to the table, no doubt I've said all winter and spring I wanted him to start), but he also takes too much stuff off the able right now, especially the constant fumbling and his immaturity (not leading by example at all).

Do we really need to bring up all the Spring Game Practice all-stars who turned out to do nothing during the regular season? Golson still has a ways to go in those departments, and he needs to learn how to read the defense and get in the right sets (preferably on time). And of course, he needs to be a real leader and take practice and workouts seriously. If you can't see that, I don't know what else we can do with you.

Great day for Golson, but still a ways to go, and in no way am I considering this competition closed...



I too highly respect your insight, but Golson will do for this year. He may not be the bet leader, but we have great leaders on this team already. We will beat the pulp out of everyone playing smash mouth football this year.

next year mr. Kiel begins his 4 year reign and I for the first time in 20 years won't be on stroke alert watching our Irish.
 

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The botched snap is on the QB 90% of the time, and Golson, by all accounts, fumbles A TON in practice. That's a major problem, just like Tommy's picks are. Golson brings a lot to the table, no doubt I've said all winter and spring I wanted him to start), but he also takes too much stuff off the able right now, especially the constant fumbling and his immaturity (not leading by example at all).

Do we really need to bring up all the Spring Game Practice all-stars who turned out to do nothing during the regular season? Golson still has a ways to go in those departments, and he needs to learn how to read the defense and get in the right sets (preferably on time). And of course, he needs to be a real leader and take practice and workouts seriously. If you can't see that, I don't know what else we can do with you.

Great day for Golson, but still a ways to go, and in no way am I considering this competition closed...

I would normally agree with you LA, but as far as the fumbling goes I strongly disagree. If you take a look at the one that occurred it was on a shotgun snap, and Golic never got it past his own ***,he fumbled it right off himself...Golson never had a chance to do much with it, but still managed to get 5 yards off a scramble...I was impressed.
He might have a small leadership issue...but I don't see a single one of those guys that doesnt.
 

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Sorry guys, I didn't explain myself properly. I too think Golson looked the best today (by a wide margin), and like I've said all along I hope he does enough to start, because he has the most skills at the QB position on the team.

My post was in response to another poster (whom I normally agree with) saying how far in front of everyone that Golson is (disagree - he won the practice for sure, but looked really bad a lot of the spring) and how so very close Golson is to being the man. I completely disagree that Golson is this close, because:

A: He doesn't know the offense well enough and had trouble getting the play called on time. Too many delay of game calls and wasted time-outs KILL offenses.

B. Fumble much? (sorry, I had to). It wasn't just the one fumble today, it's much more. Reports are out that he fumbles snaps all the time, and we've seen it in the practice videos. And go watch the game again - he had difficulty getting snaps all game (the ball didn't come up cleanly far too many times). That needs to be cleaned up. At least with a thrown ball, we have a chance for the ball to be dropped by the other team. But not even getting to see a play b/c the ball is on the ground right away will frustrate the hell out of you guys this season - just wait.

C. Maturity - Dude, show up for meetings EARLY. Don't ever be late for anything. Be the first one on the field for voluntary workouts. Nay - ORGANIZE the voluntary workouts. Be a leader. There's a reason why the guys all like Tommy. Be that guy that bugs the coaches for extra film. Be Tom Brady - have a drive to be the absolute best in the nation, and then bust your *** off to be that player.

Again, my post is not to say that Golson shouldn't be the starter. My post is to say we should temper expectations and deal with the reality that Golson still has a TON to do in order to be a winning QB at ND.

Or should we all go back and look at everyone's old posts proclaiming in November Andrew Hendrix the next great Irish QB???
 
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Tommy was the one with delay of games...just like last year. He has zero sense of urgency.
 

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Sorry guys, I didn't explain myself properly. I too think Golson looked the best today (by a wide margin), and like I've said all along I hope he does enough to start, because he has the most skills at the QB position on the team.

My post was in response to another poster (whom I normally agree with) saying how far in front of everyone that Golson is (disagree - he won the practice for sure, but looked really bad a lot of the spring) and how so very close Golson is to being the man. I completely disagree that Golson is this close, because:

A: He doesn't know the offense well enough and had trouble getting the play called on time. Too many delay of game calls and wasted time-outs KILL offenses.

B. Fumble much? (sorry, I had to). It wasn't just the one fumble today, it's much more. Reports are out that he fumbles snaps all the time, and we've seen it in the practice videos. And go watch the game again - he had difficulty getting snaps all game (the ball didn't come up cleanly far too many times). That needs to be cleaned up. At least with a thrown ball, we have a chance for the ball to be dropped by the other team. But not even getting to see a play b/c the ball is on the ground right away will frustrate the hell out of you guys this season - just wait.

C. Maturity - Dude, show up for meetings EARLY. Don't ever be late for anything. Be the first one on the field for voluntary workouts. Nay - ORGANIZE the voluntary workouts. Be a leader. There's a reason why the guys all like Tommy. Be that guy that bugs the coaches for extra film. Be Tom Brady - have a drive to be the absolute best in the nation, and then bust your *** off to be that player.

Again, my post is not to say that Golson shouldn't be the starter. My post is to say we should temper expectations and deal with the reality that Golson still has a TON to do in order to be a winning QB at ND.

Or should we all go back and look at everyone's old posts proclaiming in November Andrew Hendrix the next great Irish QB???


I agree with all of this and that is what scares me. If we were just picking on pure upside and talent then Rees never sees the field again. But we're not... and it might end up costing Kelly his job.

Hendrix clearly has the skillset to be great and a potential NFL QB... but he hasn't had the reps and struggles to read coverage at times (see: interceptions he threw against FSU and in the spring game). The only way to fix that is reps. Golson has some serious playmaker in his shoes and looks like a potential gamebreaker.... but he has so much to fix still in the "little things" both on and off the field. The only way to fix those issues on the field is reps.

Tommy Rees still floats any ball he throws over 20 yards. He still can't run and fails at any play that involves running. And he's still wildly inaccurate on downfield throws. You can't fix those things with more reps. And all of the Irish fans out there watching from their couches are not going to tolerate another lost season with Rees at the helm. Starting Rees very well may get Kelly fired when all is said and done.
 
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Sitting here watching the replay of the Maryland game from last year. Rees' inability to stretch the field, propensity to stare down receivers and throw to covered receivers is scary. I really hoped to see improvement from him yesterday (I know it was only the spring game), as I do want him to be a solid option for us. I didn't see improvement and hope to God that EG or AH can grab the bull by the horns and lead this team.
 

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Again, my post is not to say that Golson shouldn't be the starter. My post is to say we should temper expectations and deal with the reality that Golson still has a TON to do in order to be a winning QB at ND.

Or should we all go back and look at everyone's old posts proclaiming in November Andrew Hendrix the next great Irish QB???

That's how I took your first post, no need to clarify as far as i'm concerned. I totally agree with you on all points. If we were picking starters off of who performed well in the spring game then Nate Montana and Junior Jabbie would have had big careers at Notre Dame.

There is four and half months until the first game. All these guys are going to be different QB's by then. As Kelly stated, we'll find out which one takes advantage of the summer to grab the position.
 

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That's how I took your first post, no need to clarify as far as i'm concerned. I totally agree with you on all points. If we were picking starters off of who performed well in the spring game then Nate Montana and Junior Jabbie would have had big careers at Notre Dame.

There is four and half months until the first game. All these guys are going to be different QB's by then. As Kelly stated, we'll find out which one takes advantage of the summer to grab the position.

I agree about the spring game stars of past years.

But here is where I have a problem. The same mistakes that plagued Tommy last year were back on full display again yesterday. While we can minimize success of the spring game, I think poor performances in the spring game cannot be minimized when it was a repeat of what we saw all year last year.

TR is going to have the same problems in 2012 that we saw in 2011 and it will kill this team. The talent is clearly RB/Slot, TE and OL. Tommy floating passes up the seam and along the sideline will limit this team. EG will force a run first offense and his playmaking ability with his legs and arms will do more to hide the deficiencies this team will have at WR.

Also, I saw enough out of Gunner to know he will be a STUD in time.
 

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Well, I've been reluctant to say too much about the spring competition, simply because at this point it doesn't mean much. Rees, IMO, hasn't done enough to keep his job, Golson and Hendrix haven't done enough to win the job, so Kelly is doing the right thing and waiting till August to name a starter. It gives Golson and Hendrix 3 more months to work on throwing in offseason workouts with his WR's and TE's. It also gives Tommy the same time to work on his problems. EG and AH, obviously have more talent than Tommy, but Tommy kmows this offense and Kiel just isn't anywhere near ready to play any kind of meaningful snaps.

Good luck to the QB's this summer.
 

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I know we as fans can get antsy and always think the best QB on the team is the back-up but in this particular situation it is painfully obvious that Rees should not be the starter.

It seems after watching all 4 yesterday we are almost unanimous in that conclusion.

(Reference Kelly's comments on EG) Can't it just be Kelly keeping Golson and Hendrix hungry and unfulfilled throughout the competition?

Golson looks to have the potential but is certainly not there yet. It's not like the criticism is unfair. Kelly may just be keeping the fire lit while not quenching the others.
 

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Just watched Kelly's post game interview. He's telling Golson that he has to learn the business of being the QB. Getting plays in, getting people in the right position, reading the defense, making adjustments, snapping (and catching) the ball on time. The "science" of QB as Kelly put it.

That all comes with hard work. I noticed in the game that Golson came to the sidelines a couple of times and it appeared they were discussing the signals from the previous play. I took it as confusion, and it appeared to be Golson's. Didn't he wear a Red Hat last year?

Work to do, talent alone at QB is not enough.
 

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I think the big thing is that Golson needs reps. Kelly should not be splitting the reps evenly amongst the four. Golson and Hendrix need the vast majority with Rees and Kiel splitting the remainder.
 

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I think the big thing is that Golson needs reps. Kelly should not be splitting the reps evenly amongst the four. Golson and Hendrix need the vast majority with Rees and Kiel splitting the remainder.

Agree with this
 

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Good article
Notre Dame quarterback Everett Golson knows where to improve

Summer school doesn’t start at Notre Dame until June, but sophomore quarterback Everett Golson already has his top assignment. After an intriguing spring game performance, Golson will spend his next three months trying to understand the science of being a quarterback.

Notre Dame sophomore Everett Golson said he has the art of being a quarterback down. Now it's time to study the science.
Irish coach Brian Kelly is looking for a renaissance man under center — one equally adept in both art and science. The day before spring practice began Kelly told the media his three main criteria for picking a starting quarterback were good management and decision-making skills, avoiding turnovers (especially in the red zone) and the ability to make something out of nothing. In Saturday’s audition, Golson topped his competition in two out of the three.
The sophomore threw two touchdown passes and amassed 145 total yards during four offensive drives in only his second appearance as a college quarterback — the first was last year’s Blue-Gold game. His creativity and improvisation shined, but his command of concepts and display of authority left plenty of reasons to temper expectations after a strong showing on paper.
“I have the art of being a quarterback. It’s just the scientific part that I definitely need to develop,” Golson said, echoing his coach Saturday afternoon. “It was sometimes where [Kelly] has been on the sideline and kind of directing me through it a little bit, but like I said, I just gotta work on it.”
Golson burned two timeouts while struggling to get his offense set on a 75-yard field goal drive. Kelly said there would have been many more problems with getting a play off in time in had he not been helping line things up from the sideline.
Part of his problem was not understanding the sideline signals and relaying them to his teammates fast enough. He’s also steps behind junior Tommy Rees and Andrew Hendrix in grasping the mechanics that make Kelly’s offense move. Those are the issues he’ll be in the lab trying to sort out this summer.
“Everett cannot manage the game in the manner that he needs to,” Kelly said. “You can see all of [the quarterbacks] need work, and we’re excited to keep bringing them along. This summer they’ve got to help themselves. The guy that really commits to the details this summer is probably going to the be the guy who’s going to be the starter.”
There were plenty of details Saturday that should get Kelly and the Irish excited about Golson’s potential. Twice he extended plays that resulted in personal fouls on the defense. Several times he struggled to get the snap in his hands, but almost always recovered well. Once he picked a fumbled snap off the turf and ran for a positive play. Another time, he stumbled pulling away from the line in his pass drop, but recovered and threw a dart to wide receiver Robby Toma on the far sideline.
The Golson-led attack was also a perfect 3-for-3 in the red zone, while his counterparts were a combined 1-for-4. His only turnover — a botched snap on his first drive — was much more easily written off as springtime miscommunication than the interceptions thrown by Hendrix and Rees. Golson said the fumbled play was designed to be a quick handoff to Theo Riddick, who was in motion from the slot. Golson didn’t call for the ball quick enough, and the snap hit an unsuspecting Riddick in the shoulder and bounced free.
Golson wouldn’t say that he helped his case to play Saturday any more than the rest of the spring, but playing in front of 35,000 fans in as close to a game atmosphere as he has seen at Notre Dame did help him prepare for the future.
“I feel like today was a big day because it kind of showed me where I was in actual game-time situations,” he said. “In practice we try to simulate the games a lot, but it’s never like the real thing. So, just being out there in the spring game and seeing where I was, I have a lot of room to develop.”
Top on his list this summer is finding away to develop Kelly’s trust, an asset more important than any other in getting on to the field. Golson admitted that he and fellow sophomore George Atkinson III are currently “kind of a hassle” to the coaching staff because they can be inconsistent. Kelly was a little more blunt when describing that duo following Saturday’s game as a heart attack.
“I guess I have to develop to where he can really trust in me,” said Golson, who had clearly heard that phrase before. “And not give him a heart attack hopefully.”
 

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I think the big thing is that Golson needs reps. Kelly should not be splitting the reps evenly amongst the four. Golson and Hendrix need the vast majority with Rees and Kiel splitting the remainder.

For real. While he obviously shouldn't be bobbling snaps, in his defense he's a redshirt-freshman and so far has been a 3rd stringer taking what limited reps he got under center, shotgun, and even in a few pistols.
 

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Bruce Feldman included Golson in his "Top 10: The most pleasant surprise players of the spring."

9. Everett Golson, Notre Dame, QB: We've talked a lot about him here over the past few months, so he's a bit further down this list because his shining performance this spring amid an unproven group of ND QBs shouldn't be all that surprising. Brian Kelly has struggled containing his enthusiasm about the 5-11 dual-threat redshirt freshman. Golson threw two TD passes, made some nice runs and, probably best of all, was the only Irish QB who didn't turn the ball over in their spring game. Of course, like all of his competitors in that battle to win the job Golson's still developing as his coach noted:

"Quarterback is an art and a science," Kelly told reporters after the ND spring game. "He has the art part down. It is the science and consistency he needs. The stats really don't mean anything to me. What I did not like is that he has to get the plays in quicker, he has to recognize the signaling or else we are going to get flags thrown all over the place."

I think that Kelly quote is important, and I can't recall any previous discussion regarding it here. None of our other QBs have "the art part down", which in my mind is a significant advantage for Golson. The "science" is easy to coach, and "consistency" comes with reps.
 
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i will be a happy irish fan if he is lined up behind the center...anyone else would be considered a disappointment in my books! im willing to take some lumps for spectacular plays
 

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i will be a happy irish fan if he is lined up behind the center...anyone else would be considered a disappointment in my books! im willing to take some lumps for spectacular plays

Same here. I can't imagine how exciting this offense has the potential to be with an athletic playmaker at qb.
 

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Why am I only getting a black box? I noticed this earlier today too.
 

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Can someone explain for me and Beau. Neither of are seeing what Sluh posted.
 

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Tony Rice thinks Evertte will end up better than himself when it is all said and done. He said, he has seen the things Golson can do in practice, and it amazed him. Tony said, that he is basically unstoppable out of the shotgun.
 

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Tony Rice thinks Evertte will end up better than himself when it is all said and done. He said, he has seen the things Golson can do in practice, and it amazed him. Tony said, that he is basically unstoppable out of the shotgun.

dizz-amn...
 

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Well, if Tony says it, I'll buy it.

Tony Rice thinks Evertte will end up better than himself when it is all said and done. He said, he has seen the things Golson can do in practice, and it amazed him. Tony said, that he is basically unstoppable out of the shotgun.

It's not every day that a NC winner openly admits that another player is better than he is.
 
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