One Stop Rumors Thread?

[IrishLion]

He got worse with pocket presence as his career went on. He's been playing football for 8 years out of HS now and he still runs 7 yards out of bounds rather than throw the ball away. Some people just don't have a feel for the game.

Coaches end up being wrong all the time about QBs. Look at Brees/Rivers, Tom Brady needing an injury, hell Cardale Jones over #16 who held that offense back (pains me I can't recall his name, captain, repeat starter).

Book had a lot of flaws that were easy to ignore or gloss over because of the relative strengths of the team in general…

But saying that he didn’t have a feel for the game is absolutely NOT how I would describe him. A guy that made lemonade out of so many busted plays absolutely has a good feel for the game.

The scrambles for loss of yards rather than throwing it away is maddening, but I’d chalk that up to his fear of turnovers, which basically describes all of the other shortcomings that held him back, too.

But his patented reverse-scramble-to-throw, back-shoulder throws, QB draws, and general freestyle abilities showed plenty of “feel for the game” to me.

 

[Crazy Balki]

He’d have started last year if that was the case. Drastically sells Book short.

Not really.

Pyne was a sophomore last year, while Book was a junior when he finally got the chance to start legitimately.

Pyne is further along than Book was as a sophomore. Book looked solid, but he also had his bad moments like the pick six vs. Miami.

Not to mention, while we rag on Coan's mobility and overall lack of elite capabilities, he was a significantly better passer than Wimbush. I can't imagine that a sophomore Book gets the nod over Coan from last year.

 

[Dale]

Not really.

Pyne was a sophomore last year, while Book was a junior when he finally got the chance to start legitimately.

Pyne is further along than Book was as a sophomore. Book looked solid, but he also had his bad moments like the pick six vs. Miami.

Not to mention, while we rag on Coan's mobility and overall lack of elite capabilities, he was a significantly better passer than Wimbush. I can't imagine that a sophomore Book gets the nod over Coan from last year.

How is Pyne further along than Book was based off their respective Sophomore years? You’re very easily tossing around things about Pyne versus Book.

 

[Dale]

Sampson and others multiple times have insinuated ND may be looking to bring in a transfer QB with the worry if Buchner gets hurt it goes to Pyne. I don’t remember that level of lurking concern entering 2018. Basically every way they’ve handled Pyne from Summer of 2021 on kind of reveals Rees’ mindset and everything you need to know. Maybe he’s dead wrong? Sure I guess but it’d have to assume that’s not likely.

 

[ulukinatme]

I joke a bit with my title, but I'd be 100% fine with Pyne starting in Columbus if he's got all the tools and is more consistent than Buckner. I hope Buckner is the guy because he's got wheels and Oregon exposed the Buckeyes in that respect a bit, but from Pyne's limited action in Wisconsin and Cincinnati I really liked his moxie and playmaking ability. He's not completely immobile either. I imagine getting 1st team reps will improve his production even more. End of the day I just want the best guy on the field, whoever that may be. Stars mean nothing once you're on campus, either you produce or you don't.

 

[greyhammer90]

I joke a bit with my title, but I'd be 100% fine with Pyne starting in Columbus if he's got all the tools and is more consistent than Buckner. I hope Buckner is the guy because he's got wheels and Oregon exposed the Buckeyes in that respect a bit, but from Pyne's limited action in Wisconsin and Cincinnati I really liked his moxie and playmaking ability. He's not completely immobile either. I imagine getting 1st team reps will improve his production even more. End of the day I just want the best guy on the field, whoever that may be. Stars mean nothing once you're on campus, either you produce or you don't.

Buckner? I barely know 'er.

 

[ulukinatme]

@ulukinatme have you heard anything about ND setting up an NIL collective similar to other schools? Rumor is that they are going to announce one before Spring Ball that is focused on compensating players with "marketing" opportunities rather than being focused on trying to lure recruits with offers. Marketing opportunities will primarily be related to exorbitant pay for things like signed memorabilia or appearances. They think something like this (or NFTs or whatever) is 100% above board. In concept, ND admins are absolutely convinced that what Texas A&M (and others) are doing is 100% against the rules. And I actually agree with them, even if obviously nothing will happen to Texas A&M. So they want to focus on "taking care of" current players and then being able to show how players are being taken care of versus saying "sign here for $400k".

Anyways, that's the rumor, but I don't if there are others more connected to the "booster class" on here that can confirm or deny.

I'm not really connected much behind the scenes at ND like you guys are unfortunately so you would know better than I. We'll occasionally get some tidbits about a recruit getting ready to announce, but since his old rep at the university retired that stuff really hasn't floated his way much anymore.

Other than the Player's Club I saw that thing about the Garage Podcast but don't know the details yet. More than ND I have had some access to hidden boards on the Texas Longhorn site to see their discussions on NIL and things they've setup or have discussed. I used to have the same access for an Ohio State board, but I quit visiting that site because they were pushing out fans from other teams and being general asshats. No bans, but I'm sure they pulled my access by now. The Texas board has been digging up NIL deals going on at other programs too, like OSU, Michigan, BYU, Ole Miss, and SMU to name just a few.

 

[Valpodoc85]

do tell

 

[Irish du Nord]

I'm not really connected much behind the scenes at ND like you guys are unfortunately so you would know better than I. We'll occasionally get some tidbits about a recruit getting ready to announce, but since his old rep at the university retired that stuff really hasn't floated his way much anymore.

Other than the Player's Club I saw that thing about the Garage Podcast but don't know the details yet. More than ND I have had some access to hidden boards on the Texas Longhorn site to see their discussions on NIL and things they've setup or have discussed. I used to have the same access for an Ohio State board, but I quit visiting that site because they were pushing out fans from other teams and being general asshats. No bans, but I'm sure they pulled my access by now. The Texas board has been digging up NIL deals going on at other programs too, like OSU, Michigan, BYU, Ole Miss, and SMU to name just a few.

SMU paying players? Surely not!

 

[FDNYIrish1]

I refuse to believe ND and it’s alumni network, graduates of an elite academic institution, can’t figure out a way to buy players with this NIL than a bunch of SEC rednecks.

 

[Rack Em]

I refuse to believe ND and it’s alumni network, graduates of an elite academic institution, can’t figure out a way to buy players with this NIL than a bunch of SEC rednecks.

Hold my beer

 

[NDdomer2]

conspiracy not rumor - what if all this recent talk about ND & Dante Moore was really strummed up to put the pressure on Vizzinia?

 

[ACamp1900]

I don’t think there is any chance Pyne beats out Buchner tbh. I think it’s more likely he ends up third string than first string.

I like to think so also... hoping the coaching change helps in some way (hoping the key word).

 

[Valpodoc85]

I like Pyne. Kid was ready last year when his name was called. Every team needs guys like Pyne. I wish him every success. Kid just enjoys the competition and wants to get better. Can’t ask for more

 

[stlnd01]

I like Pyne. Kid was ready last year when his name was called. Every team needs guys like Pyne. I wish him every success. Kid just enjoys the competition and wants to get better. Can’t ask for more

All true. Doesn’t mean he should be QB1 for a team that aspires to win playoff games.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

 

[Crazy Balki]

How is Pyne further along than Book was based off their respective Sophomore years? You’re very easily tossing around things about Pyne versus Book.

Nope.

That is what was reported by multiple sources who watched camp that Pyne was further along.

Not to mention, he performed far better than Book did in his stints with far lesser personnel around him, particularly against Wisconsin, one of the top defenses in CFB.

 

[BrownerandFry]

My grandmother was devout, and said the church was wrong on dogs. 🤷‍♂️

mmmmmmmmmm

wonder if Jesus Christ ever addressed the subject,

as in Matthew 7:6.......................

 

[Dale]

Nope.

That is what was reported by multiple sources who watched camp that Pyne was further along.

Not to mention, he performed far better than Book did in his stints with far lesser personnel around him, particularly against Wisconsin, one of the top defenses in CFB.

Pyne was 9/22 versus UC. 41%. Which Book game is that “far better” than? People’s memory of Pyne’s performance is not what actually happened. It was just an improvement on the nothing we were getting out of Coan as the game went on.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Anybody got any of them rumors??

 

[notredomer23]

Anybody got any of them rumors??

I hear Aaron Lynch is thinking about decommitting from FSU and recommitting to ND

 

[GrangerIrish24]

I hear Aaron Lynch is thinking about decommitting from FSU and recommitting to ND

Source?

 

[IrishLion]

Anybody got any of them rumors??

Waiting on Balki to tell us if he ever figured out what Davonte did

 

[zelezo vlk]

There's a rumor that Josh Kaindoh wants to "shock the world". Wiltfong posted a CB to ND

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[Cackalacky2.0]

There's a rumor that Josh Kaindoh wants to "shock the world". Wiltfong posted a CB to ND

Sent from my U318AA using Tapatalk

The guy entering the draft?

 

[BrownerandFry]

I refuse to believe ND and it’s alumni network, graduates of an elite academic institution, can’t figure out a way to buy players with this NIL than a bunch of SEC rednecks.

Refuse to believe all you want. But it is not the current SEC, or original SEC that is the problem.

Texas A&M was the one that hung the moon in NIL this past recruiting season. Oil money, lots of it. Look up Bum Bright some time and look what he did in accelerating the "facilities" arms race. Well over a decade ago. That was just a drop in the bucket (drop of oil, get it.) They raised the bar and the height of the stacks of money.

The rich at Notre Dame are relatively new money. I was surprised, on the downside, when I looked up Mendoza's net worth.

Texas and Texas A&M have oil money.

Miami, if Cristobal taps the right levers, has South Florida drug money and much more from the Florida Real Estate Boom.

And then USC. Dre has already put his thumb on the scale.
And there are more in music
More in television
Hollywood?> If George Lucas, MGM execs (remember they have brought the Pac XII championships to Vegas) SKG Dreamworks and the others
many of whom are USC alums, weigh in that is more ordnance than ND can muster.

Who we gonna counter with? Romy Hammes? Van Gates? They are ham and eggers

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Refuse to believe all you want. But it is not the current SEC, or original SEC that is the problem.

Texas A&M was the one that hung the moon in NIL this past recruiting season. Oil money, lots of it. Look up Bum Bright some time and look what he did in accelerating the "facilities" arms race. Well over a decade ago. That was just a drop in the bucket (drop of oil, get it.) They raised the bar and the height of the stacks of money.

The rich at Notre Dame are relatively new money. I was surprised, on the downside, when I looked up Mendoza's net worth.

Texas and Texas A&M have oil money.

Miami, if Cristobal taps the right levers, has South Florida drug money and much more from the Florida Real Estate Boom.

And then USC. Dre has already put his thumb on the scale.
And there are more in music
More in television
Hollywood?> If George Lucas, MGM execs (remember they have brought the Pac XII championships to Vegas) SKG Dreamworks and the others
many of whom are USC alums, weigh in that is more ordnance than ND can muster.

Who we gonna counter with? Romy Hammes? Van Gates? They are ham and eggers

Womp Womp. Thanks a lot fun sponge. It was a joke. I refuse to use italics because I enjoy long winded responses like this.

 

[BrownerandFry]

Womp Womp. Thanks a lot fun sponge. It was a joke. I refuse to use italics because I enjoy long winded responses like this.

well for me it is not a joke.

It is ECONOMIC fairness, highly American, highly capitalistic. It is the right answer, NIL

For me the larger question is SHOULD Notre Dame do it, if they had the resources. I would vote NO.

But Texas, A&M SC, have more bullets to fire. And there are some big economic guns in Georgia if they are inclined to help Georgia.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Pyne was 9/22 versus UC. 41%. Which Book game is that “far better” than? People’s memory of Pyne’s performance is not what actually happened. It was just an improvement on the nothing we were getting out of Coan as the game went on.

I said Wisconsin.

And both Cincinnati and Wisconsin were better defenses than anything Book faced in 2017. Closest defense to what Pyne faced in Wisconsin was Miami, a game in which Book threw a pick six in.

 

[Dale]

I said Wisconsin.

And both Cincinnati and Wisconsin were better defenses than anything Book faced in 2017. Closest defense to what Pyne faced in Wisconsin was Miami, a game in which Book threw a pick six in.

So the sample size is one game less than 10 passes and we’re eliminating the game he didn’t do that well from discussion. You’re gonna ride with that?