'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[BobbyMac]

Well regardless of the choice, one of them is Audi 5000 after the season.

Smart money is on both being gone. Kizer won't be any worse than #3-4 QB. Could be #1. If I had to pick one on their head to head last year, it would be NC baby, no contest.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

Smart money is on both being gone. Kizer won't be any worse than #3-4 QB. Could be #1. If I had to pick one on their head to head last year, it would be NC baby, no contest.

I predict that Zaire will be gone next year 100%. Kizer though may want to develop more and or get his degree. Seems like he has a great mind set and attitude and very mature. I wouldn't be worried in the slightest if they both left though. I'm so excited about Wimbish. I think he's going to better than both of them. Not sure if he'll have the fantastic poise of Kizer but he's totally a pleasant combo of Zaire/Kizer. Love our QB's
Go Irish

 

[BobbyMac]

I predict that Zaire will be gone next year 100%. Kizer though may want to develop more and or get his degree. Seems like he has a great mind set and attitude and very mature. I wouldn't be worried in the slightest if they both left though. I'm so excited about Wimbish. I think he's going to better than both of them. Not sure if he'll have the fantastic poise of Kizer but he's totally a pleasant combo of Zaire/Kizer. Love our QB's
Go Irish

You can't develop in the NFL? Would you risk an injury your senior year that could take away a lifetime of accumulated wealth? If the degree is that important, you can always go back. 1842. School's been there since then, it ain't going anywhere. Plus to be honest, you don't need the paper after you have the cash & contacts from being the QB at ND. Clausen went back and got his when they got locked out. did he need it? He's had a back-up's career since Cam got drafted and he's made $5M in six years and will likely add another $600k+ holding a clipboard in DC this year.

Take the 1st round money everytime.

 

[NorthDakota]

I think I'd prefer Zaire just because it felt like( I have no data to back it up at all) the team had a more physical feel to it.

Either way, I think the team will have a great year.

 

[ulukinatme]

If you have 2 QB's, you have no QB.

Chris Leak and Tebus won a championship, so that's not always true. Zaire could be our Tebus, with Kizer being the Leak. Interestingly enough, Zaire is also the stronger leader of the two, much as Tebus was.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Chris Leak and Tebus won a championship, so that's not always true. Zaire could be our Tebus, with Kizer being the Leak. Interestingly enough, Zaire is also the stronger leader of the two, much as Tebus was.

Source?

 

[Irish Insanity]

Chris Leak and Tebus won a championship, so that's not always true. Zaire could be our Tebus, with Kizer being the Leak. Interestingly enough, Zaire is also the stronger leader of the two, much as Tebus was.

Comparing Zaire to Tebow makes me want to cry. I need to take a shower after reading your post.

Source?

This

 

[STLDomer]

Comparing Zaire to Tebow makes me want to cry. I need to take a shower after reading your post.

Tebow is one of the greatest college football players ever.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

My heart wants Zaire, my head wants Kizer, and my penis wants Ivanka.

 

[gkIrish]

My heart wants Zaire, my head wants Kizer, and my penis wants Ivanka.

I agree with at least 2 of these statements.

 

[ulukinatme]

Source?

Not to say Kizer is a poor leader, far from it. Kizer certainly leads very well by example. Zaire is well known to be the more vocal of the two. Tebow was certainly more vocal than Leak.

My heart wants Zaire, my head wants Kizer, and my penis wants Ivanka.

This. All of it.

 

[RDU Irish]

Put a couple bucks on Kizer to win the Heisman at 28/1 odds.

With Championship odds at 20/1 and my belief that a run to the playoffs will have our starting QB in the thick of a Heisman hunt - seems like a decent play.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Hey Ass, thx for the bump.

 

[NDohio]

Hey Ass, thx for the bump.

Especially on the heels of a random bad news coming thread...

 

[Chamellion]

Put a couple bucks on Kizer to win the Heisman at 28/1 odds.

With Championship odds at 20/1 and my belief that a run to the playoffs will have our starting QB in the thick of a Heisman hunt - seems like a decent play.

Sorry man, in my opinion that's a real bad bet. We don't even know if he's going to be a starter or in a time-share.

 

[IrishBroker]

Chris Leak and Tebus won a championship, so that's not always true. Zaire could be our Tebus, with Kizer being the Leak. Interestingly enough, Zaire is also the stronger leader of the two, much as Tebus was.

But Leak and Tebow didn't split time.

Tebow was a gadget guy only attempted 33 passes and carried the ball 89 times. Leak was the clear starter and got the overwhelming majority of the snaps



I don't' know what exactly Kelly's plan is...but split QB's just don't work. Because the offense has problems getting into a rhythm when you are shuffling a guy in and out. It's not like other positions.

 

[RDU Irish]

Sorry man, in my opinion that's a real bad bet. We don't even know if he's going to be a starter or in a time-share.

They are both crappy bets. But there is a clear path to him being the stats monster on a playoff team, which is a clear path to NYC. IF it happens - bragging rights will be better than payoff on a $20 bet anyway.

 

[woolybug25]

But Leak and Tebow didn't split time.

Tebow was a gadget guy only attempted 33 passes and carried the ball 89 times. Leak was the clear starter and got the overwhelming majority of the snaps



I don't' know what exactly Kelly's plan is...but split QB's just don't work. Because the offense has problems getting into a rhythm when you are shuffling a guy in and out. It's not like other positions.

I mentioned this before, so excuse the rehash, but nobody has been able to give me an example.

Many people say that "split QB's don't work", but if you are sure about that, answer me this....

Name me a bad QB situation where the QB's split time, not because neither was good enough to start, but because both QB's were good?

Before you say it's a limited scale, let me give you some examples:

- Walsh & Rudolph (OKst '15)
- Trevor Knight & Blake Bell (OU)
- Jackson & Germaine (OSU '97)
- Tagge & Van Brownson (Neb '70)
- Leak & Tebow

I'll wait...

 

[ulukinatme]

But Leak and Tebow didn't split time.

Tebow was a gadget guy only attempted 33 passes and carried the ball 89 times. Leak was the clear starter and got the overwhelming majority of the snaps



I don't' know what exactly Kelly's plan is...but split QB's just don't work. Because the offense has problems getting into a rhythm when you are shuffling a guy in and out. It's not like other positions.

This is entirely opinion and not fact. Coaches have proven in the past that you can use two QBs and be successful, although there are limited examples (Wooly already provided them for me). It is entirely likely we have two very good QBs that can make this work as other teams have in the past. We won't know for sure until it's implemented, but both guys have proven they can come off the bench and play in unexpected circumstances (Kizer in Virginia, Zaire in Southern Cal). The coaches know more about football than we do, and if they plan on playing two QBs and think it will be successful I would trust their game plan. Kelly has already done it with Zaire and Golson in the Music City Bowl, and it was successful.

 

[IrishBroker]

I mentioned this before, so excuse the rehash, but nobody has been able to give me an example.

Many people say that "split QB's don't work", but if you are sure about that, answer me this....

Name me a bad QB situation where the QB's split time, not because neither was good enough to start, but because both QB's were good?

Before you say it's a limited scale, let me give you some examples:

- Walsh & Rudolph (OKst '15)
- Trevor Knight & Blake Bell (OU)
- Jackson & Germaine (OSU '97)
- Tagge & Van Brownson (Neb '70)
- Leak & Tebow

I'll wait...

I don't know if I can name a QB situation where BOTH guys were too good to bench. To me, even if that is the case, you still don't develop the consistency you need at the position.

I do know there are teams out there that have studs on their 2 deep that don't start both QB's....why don't more teams do that if it's a great concept?

 

[IrishLion]

I don't know if I can name a QB situation where BOTH guys were too good to bench. To me, even if that is the case, you still don't develop the consistency you need at the position.

I do know there are teams out there that have studs on their 2 deep that don't start both QB's....why don't more teams do that if it's a great concept?

I'm not Wooly, but I'd ague that most places with multiple studs on the two-deep aren't in a such a strange situation in terms of "Age vs Experience."

Usually, there's a pretty clear pecking order. The older guy starts if he's a stud; the young guy develops and waits his turn, or else he unseats the older guy.

ND's situation, on the other hand, has been completely unstable since BK came in, due to circumstances outside of anyone's control. ND hasn't had a chance to establish that hierarchy. Thus, two-QB system is the unique answer to having two studs in this case. Kizer is younger, but has more experience; Zaire has less experience, but he's older and won the job a year ago. THAT is why more teams don't do it... they don't have the unsettled situation. And if they do, they don't have the talent that ND has.

 

[IrishBroker]

This is entirely opinion and not fact. Coaches have proven in the past that you can use two QBs and be successful, although there are limited examples (Wooly already provided them for me). It is entirely likely we have two very good QBs that can make this work as other teams have in the past. We won't know for sure until it's implemented, but both guys have proven they can come off the bench and play in unexpected circumstances (Kizer in Virginia, Zaire in Southern Cal). The coaches know more about football than we do, and if they plan on playing two QBs and think it will be successful I would trust their game plan. Kelly has already done it with Zaire and Golson in the Music City Bowl, and it was successful.

One game doesn't mean he's been successful with the concept.

Also, how many 2 QB systems have won titles?

Of course it's my opinion...but it's obviously shared by much of college football. Because there are absolutely teams with fantastic talent on the QB depth chart that chooses not to use both.

It's not that I don't trust Kelly...I just have a problem with the offensive consistency and rhythm.

But who knows? Maybe I'm dead wrong and it works to perfection?

 

[IrishBroker]

I'm not Wooly, but I'd ague that most places with multiple studs on the two-deep aren't in a such a strange situation in terms of "Age vs Experience."

Usually, there's a pretty clear pecking order. The older guy starts if he's a stud; the young guy develops and waits his turn, or else he unseats the older guy.

ND's situation, on the other hand, has been completely unstable since BK came in, due to circumstances outside of anyone's control. ND hasn't had a chance to establish that hierarchy. Thus, two-QB system is the unique answer to having two studs in this case. Kizer is younger, but has more experience; Zaire has less experience, but he's older and won the job a year ago. THAT is why more teams don't do it... they don't have the unsettled situation. And if they do, they don't have the talent that ND has.

Good point.

 

[woolybug25]

One game doesn't mean he's been successful with the concept.

Also, how many 2 QB systems have won titles?

Of course it's my opinion...but it's obviously shared by much of college football. Because there are absolutely teams with fantastic talent on the QB depth chart that chooses not to use both.

It's not that I don't trust Kelly...I just have a problem with the offensive consistency and rhythm.

But who knows? Maybe I'm dead wrong and it works to perfection?

Lion spoke my mind in his last post, but I'll address your latter point.

Out of the five examples I gave you, two (FL & Neb) won National Titles, all of them won 10+ games and the teams that didn't play in a title game played in BCS quality bowl games. Would you consider that successful?

I'm all ears if you have an example of a bad team with two good QB's platooning.

 

[Wild Bill]

One game doesn't mean he's been successful with the concept.

Also, how many 2 QB systems have won titles?

Of course it's my opinion...but it's obviously shared by much of college football. Because there are absolutely teams with fantastic talent on the QB depth chart that chooses not to use both.

It's not that I don't trust Kelly...I just have a problem with the offensive consistency and rhythm.

But who knows? Maybe I'm dead wrong and it works to perfection?

The Gators started Jesse Palmer and Rex Grossman in the early 2000s. Ol ball coach couldn't decide so he rolled with both and won the SEC.

 

[IrishBroker]

Lion spoke my mind in his last post, but I'll address your latter point.

Out of the five examples I gave you, two (FL & Neb) won National Titles, all of them won 10+ games and the teams that didn't play in a title game played in BCS quality bowl games. Would you consider that successful?

I'm all ears if you have an example of a bad team with two good QB's platooning.

I disagree with you lumping in FL in this. I wouldn't consider that a two QB "system".

It was Leak and then Tebow in certain situations.

Unlike the OSU or OU systems where both QB's actually played similar amounts of PT.

Ainge and Clausen in Tennessee is actually great example of two very talented guys, on a bad team, in a two QB system for that one year.

 

[IrishBroker]

The Gators started Jesse Palmer and Rex Grossman in the early 2000s. Ol ball coach couldn't decide so he rolled with both and won the SEC.

Grossman won the job after the 2nd game....and never looked back

I actually hope that happens here. LOL

 

[woolybug25]

I disagree with you lumping in FL in this. I wouldn't consider that a two QB "system".

It was Leak and then Tebow in certain situations.

Unlike the OSU or OU systems where both QB's actually played similar amounts of PT.

Ainge and Clausen in Tennessee is actually great example of two very talented guys, on a bad team, in a two QB system for that one year.

I'll answer these in order:

Why does method of dual QB matter? There would be variations between Kizer and Malik too. All platoons have that element. But even if you did take them out (which I disagree), my point still stands.

Ainge and Clausen wasn't a platoon. Ainge got hurt and opened up time for Clausen (Rick, not Casey. Rick wasn't even very good). Then Ainge won his spot back when Clausen started shitting the bed. That's why is didn't use Collaros/Pike in my example. Because it wasn't a platoon. It was a season where more than one QB played.

 

[ND NYC]

my annual rant:

can coach Kelly PLEASE get the plays in faster this year!!?? get some tempo going at long last?

so tired of the play clock running down under 10, seeing the qb looking to the sidelines for the play...been going on since BK has been coach. so tired of us calling time out before the first play of the game (has happened MULTIPLE times under BK)

end rant...

GO IRISH!

 

[IrishBroker]

I'll answer these in order:

Why does method of dual QB matter? There would be variations between Kizer and Malik too. All platoons have that element. But even if you did take them out (which I disagree), my point still stands.

Ainge and Clausen wasn't a platoon. Ainge got hurt and opened up time for Clausen (Rick, not Casey. Rick wasn't even very good). That's why is didn't use Collaros/Pike in my example. Because it wasn't a platoon. It was a season where more than one QB played.

Actually in Ainge's second year, Clausen played quite a bit. 2005 they split a lot of time during the year

And none of this will matter if we are winning games, you will be right at that point.

I just know that KElly cant get the damn plays in with ONE QB, much less swapping in two. LOL