'17 CT ATH CJ Holmes (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[Irish#1]

Lol, my bad. Edited the post. All ND.

Lucky almost threw this board into a tailspin! lol

 

[NDdomer2]

kid's ball skills are too great to be wasted at FS

So we're Ed Reed's....

 

[IrishLion]

kid's ball skills are too great to be wasted at FS

Haven't we kind of been waiting on a FS that can play the ball in the air like a natural coverage guy though haha

 

[OCIrish]

Haven't we kind of been waiting on a FS that can play the ball in the air like a natural coverage guy though haha

For far too long, I'm afraid!!!

 

[arrowryan]

A running back depth chart of Tony Jones, CJ Holmes, and Markese Stepp has the potential to be amazing. If Denson can mold Josh Adams into what he is today, I can only imagine what he will be able to do with the kids we have coming in the near future. Pair that with the o-line and the way HH has been recruiting, wow.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

A running back depth chart of Tony Jones, CJ Holmes, and Markese Stepp has the potential to be amazing. If Denson can mold Josh Adams into what he is today, I can only imagine what he will be able to do with the kids we have coming in the near future. Pair that with the o-line and the way HH has been recruiting, wow.

Are you forgetting about Dexter Williams and Mcintosh?

 

[arrowryan]

Are you forgetting about Dexter Williams and Mcintosh?

I wish McIntosh all the best but I'm sure if he will be able to stay on top of the depth chart once Jones, Holmes, and Stepp are on campus. You're right about Dexter, I think he'll have a good season

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

A lot of comparisons out there butttttt kid reminds me of Duke Johnson from Miami.

And not to make this into a Prosise thread but he had below average ball skills for a WR but above average for a RB. Done.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

A running back depth chart of Tony Jones, CJ Holmes, and Markese Stepp has the potential to be amazing. If Denson can mold Josh Adams into what he is today, I can only imagine what he will be able to do with the kids we have coming in the near future. Pair that with the o-line and the way HH has been recruiting, wow.

I think this is somewhat disrespectful to Adams. He has speed and what appears to be, great vision. I don't think T Jones or CJ Holmes or M Stepp are necessarily that much more electric than Adams?

I'm excited about all of them but Adams has already proven that he can play at this level. The others are TBD.

 

[arrowryan]

I think this is somewhat disrespectful to Adams. He has speed and what appears to be, great vision. I don't think T Jones or CJ Holmes or M Stepp are necessarily that much more electric than Adams?

I'm excited about all of them but Adams has already proven that he can play at this level. The others are TBD.

No one really knew how electric Josh would be (besides the coaches, maybe). Many people on here thought for sure Dex was going to see the field last year before Josh; you could probably ask people like Loy and Wiltfong and they'd probably say the same thing. In the summer of 2014, there was even a debate one here about what position Josh would play (linebacker or running back). Josh lacked the quality offers and his ranking was also pretty low; the only thing he had going for him was his tape but none of us could really get an idea on what his competition was like.

So, I would not it is disrespect to Josh; he just had huge question marks going into his freshman year and there probably wasn't one Notre Dame fan that thought he would play last season. But, as we all know, he has no more question marks and he's going into the 2016 season as the starting RB.

I mentioned Tony Jones, CJ Holmes, and Markese Stepp because they have great tape, great offer lists, and the rankings from sites we like to see.

I don't see anyone taking the #1 spot from Josh until he goes to the NFL

 

[Domina Nostra]

Wow, hard to believe that 247 is the one needing to get their act together on this one.

Considering the talent on hand, they probably wait until after the Opening as part of the hype.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

No one really knew how electric Josh would be (besides the coaches, maybe). Many people on here thought for sure Dex was going to see the field last year before Josh; you could probably ask people like Loy and Wiltfong and they'd probably say the same thing. In the summer of 2014, there was even a debate one here about what position Josh would play (linebacker or running back). Josh lacked the quality offers and his ranking was also pretty low; the only thing he had going for him was his tape but none of us could really get an idea on what his competition was like.

So, I would not it is disrespect to Josh; he just had huge question marks going into his freshman year and there probably wasn't one Notre Dame fan that thought he would play last season. But, as we all know, he has no more question marks and he's going into the 2016 season as the starting RB.

I mentioned Tony Jones, CJ Holmes, and Markese Stepp because they have great tape, great offer lists, and the rankings from sites we like to see.

I don't see anyone taking the #1 spot from Josh until he goes to the NFL

Well I do think Folston (assuming he heals up) will be no worse than 1b, and the principle short yardage/3rd down/goal line back. But yes Adams is a bona fide stud.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

No one really knew how electric Josh would be (besides the coaches, maybe). Many people on here thought for sure Dex was going to see the field last year before Josh; you could probably ask people like Loy and Wiltfong and they'd probably say the same thing. In the summer of 2014, there was even a debate one here about what position Josh would play (linebacker or running back). Josh lacked the quality offers and his ranking was also pretty low; the only thing he had going for him was his tape but none of us could really get an idea on what his competition was like.

So, I would not it is disrespect to Josh; he just had huge question marks going into his freshman year and there probably wasn't one Notre Dame fan that thought he would play last season. But, as we all know, he has no more question marks and he's going into the 2016 season as the starting RB.

I mentioned Tony Jones, CJ Holmes, and Markese Stepp because they have great tape, great offer lists, and the rankings from sites we like to see.

I don't see anyone taking the #1 spot from Josh until he goes to the NFL

I was one of the doubters. I thought his only chance of seeing the field was as an OLB or perhaps as a junior at RB. Luckily I was wrong.

But the problem is the frame of reference. Looking back, many of us thought Josh wasn't built for RB at the collegiate level. To act like these other recruits are far and away better at the same stages in their careers is, I believe, foolhardy because as we've seen time and again, players rarely carry a linear trajectory from HS to college.

It's very difficult to tell who'll succeed and who'll bust. We make predictions based on ratings and offer lists and highlight tapes and then we have Will Fuller and Josh Adams and Zach Martin who completely outplay people's highest expectations.

I'm happy to have the players and commits that we have and I hope they continue to build our program back to a perennial NC contender. And this is a silly nit to pick but that's what we get in the offseason. Is it August yet?

 

[GBdomer]

Going public with it July 8th

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Going public with it July 8th

Presemably ND?


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[IrishFanJMercy]

The month of July is going to be quite nice for us. I don't see Holmes going anywhere besides Notre Dame and the fact that Black is in his commitment video only solidifies the fact that he could have gave his silent verbal already

 

[Booslum31]

No one really knew how electric Josh would be (besides the coaches, maybe). Many people on here thought for sure Dex was going to see the field last year before Josh; you could probably ask people like Loy and Wiltfong and they'd probably say the same thing. In the summer of 2014, there was even a debate one here about what position Josh would play (linebacker or running back). Josh lacked the quality offers and his ranking was also pretty low; the only thing he had going for him was his tape but none of us could really get an idea on what his competition was like.

So, I would not it is disrespect to Josh; he just had huge question marks going into his freshman year and there probably wasn't one Notre Dame fan that thought he would play last season. But, as we all know, he has no more question marks and he's going into the 2016 season as the starting RB.

I mentioned Tony Jones, CJ Holmes, and Markese Stepp because they have great tape, great offer lists, and the rankings from sites we like to see.

I don't see anyone taking the #1 spot from Josh until he goes to the NFL

I think if Folston is 100% that he will be in the #1 spot. Big "IF" around the knee.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I think if Folston is 100% that he will be in the #1 spot. Big "IF" around the knee.

Is this one of those circular arguments? Ie - If he isn't starting, he's not 100% healthy and if he's not healthy, he won't be #1?

Further, did you mean to type 1a or do you truly believe Folston is that much better than Josh and/or Dex?

We could have 3 different views:

1a, 1b, 1c

or

1 & 2a, 2b

or

1a. 1b & 2

and if we add Brent in to the mix it gets even messier. I don't think Kelly will find touches for more than 3 backs and it's most likely top two with a 3rd sprinkled in (unless Dex/Brent blows the doors off this fall)

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Notre Dame, in its heyday, often ran four backs.

Holtz did that a number of times.

Beat 'em up in the first three quarters, and let the Rocket burn 'em alive in the fourth. Of course, that was before the position of Tight End was invented.

 

[IrishLax]

I see Adams getting the bulk of the carries with Williams and Folston both getting a lot of work depending on which of those two is best in short yardage. Adams' weakness, IMO, is going to be pad level and shiftiness when you need 2-3 yards on the play. The other guy not to sleep on is Tony Jones, who also seems borderline ideal for short yardage work. I see Brent being too similar to Adams to be used as anything other than maybe a 3rd down back.

Ultimately, I think the RB position is pretty loaded relative to years past. I'm not sure if Adams is that much "better" than other guys, but he's almost sure to get the bulk of the carries at the start of the season on account of being the most proven.

 

[dwshade]

Adams most proven? Folston has logged more carries than Adams including two seasons ago when he had 175 carries and nine TD's. I think some have forgotten how good Folston is. If healthy he's the starter. Was projected before last season to be a 3rd round NFL pick.

 

[IrishLax]

Adams most proven? Folston has logged more carries than Adams including two seasons ago when he had 175 carries and nine TD's.

You just answered why Adams is the most proven commodity. You look at last year, and only one back on the roster got a bulk of carries. And it was a record breaking season for a frosh.

If Folston is back to 100% what he was before injury I bet he starts or at least plays a bunch. But neither your or I (or probably even the coaches) know what he's going to look like taking live bullets in the fall after recovering from knee surgery.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I always thought that it would be Folston and Adams in a sorta Riddick/Wood distribution, respectively.

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[rtrn2glory]

We are VERY lucky to have folston coming back.

Tremendous experience in our system and would have had a huge season last year had he stayed healthy

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Adams offers the big play. Something Kelly's offense has always been built around. He had a phenominal yr for a frosh last year in a year when tj also had a great year. Folston is a good back but josh is a homerun hitter who also had goid vision and power. Speed kills though and adams has a ton of it, especially for a back of his stature. No doubt he is at least 1a to start. Kids a stud and if not for the injury in high school would have been a very high 4 star player...if he carried the ranking credentials that greg bryant carried coming out of high school would anybody argue he deserves to be our guy from day 1 this season?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Adams offers the big play. Something Kelly's offense has always been built around. He had a phenominal yr for a frosh last year in a year when tj also had a great year. Folston is a good back but josh is a homerun hitter who also had goid vision and power. Speed kills though and adams has a ton of it, especially for a back of his stature. No doubt he is at least 1a to start. Kids a stud and if not for the injury in high school would have been a very high 4 star player...if he carried the ranking credentials that greg bryant carried coming out of high school would anybody argue he deserves to be our guy from day 1 this season?

Folston was a top 100 player coming out of high school. IMO should be a 1a, 1b situation between the two.


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[Sherm Sticky]

Also this thread has been derailed.


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[woolybug25]

Folston was a top 100 player coming out of high school. IMO should be a 1a, 1b situation between the two.


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What does his high school ranking have to do with whether he earned the starting spot or not. You earn it on the field, not from Tom Loy.

 

[calvegas04]

What does his high school ranking have to do with whether he earned the starting spot or not. You earn it on the field, not from Tom Loy.

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[irishandy]

Folston and Adams will be our 1-2 punch; our thunder and lightning this year. I also think Dexter plays well he seemed to impress coaches in the spring.

The more I read about CJ Holmes, I want him to be apart of the 2017 class. Here's to some good news to start a big July for ND!