'13 FL RB Tarean Folston (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[ThePiombino]

you won't see anyone move positions to RB....we have 3 right now...jb if we are desperate but james has been receiving hefty praise from BK that we wouldn't f it up

Yeah BK made statement recently about how James can detour anyone's route because of how physical he plays.

 

[stlnd01]

A couple plays later, if Prosise makes a cut just a little bit sooner, he's gone for the TD instead of getting tripped up.

I only say this because I think Prosise is a major weapon. The only thing I don't know is if any of our backs will be counted on in a 4th & 2 situation. I like all of our backs to pick up big chunks but can they take the small gains in front of them?

That's the hard part, right? Prosise is definitely a big-time weapon and we should get the ball in his hands. But being an every-down back is a different art form. Folston is really good at picking up those extra yards in a crowd. That's not something you pick up overnight (if ever)

 

[tussin]

You've worked for ESPN in accounting, finance, or whatever, for a year or more. You've watched their games on TV since puberty, do you really think you're ready to do ESPN play by play analysis?

Flight attendants may spend their careers flying but that doesn't qualify them to sit in The Left Seat.

Folston spent two full years in college ball learning his craft, not 8 weeks of practice.

This is a troll post and adds nothing to the conversation. Completely out of line IMO.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

That's the hard part, right? Prosise is definitely a big-time weapon and we should get the ball in his hands. But being an every-down back is a different art form. Folston is really good at picking up those extra yards in a crowd. That's not something you pick up overnight (if ever)

Yeah, I definitely think it can be learned but I mostly agree with you, insomuch as we still need to find out what we have as we go against bigger defensive lines that clog up the front. Folston would often still take 3 at minimum. I'm afraid our younger guys may just run into the back of their blockers and get dropped.

But that's just fear speaking because we are looking for something to be bad. Let's hope they are quick studies, I mean our two frosh RBs aren't position switches, they've been playing RB their whole lives as well.

 

[ND NYC]

he gets a medical (no wasted year) correct?
same with jarron too right?

 

[Luckylucci]

he gets a medical (no wasted year) correct?
same with jarron too right?

Yes.

 

[Emcee77]

he gets a medical (no wasted year) correct?
same with jarron too right?

Yes.

Not Jarron. He took a healthy redshirt his freshman year, so he already has a 5th year available, and you can only get a sixth year if you lose TWO years to INJURY. So Jarron can only get a sixth year if he loses ANOTHER year to injury.

Tarean did not redshirt, and I assume he went down early enough in the year that he will be able to take this 2015 season as a redshirt year.*

*I've always hoped that someone could point me to a written rule that actually permits that, but I've never found it; people always point me to the rule for medical redshirts for guys who lose two years to injury, which is irrelevant in this context. But I guess it doesn't matter b/c it does seem to be the NCAA's custom and practice to allow guys to take redshirt years in situations like Tarean's.

 

[pkt77242]

Not Jarron. He took a healthy redshirt his freshman year, so he already has a 5th year available, and you can only get a sixth year if you lose TWO years to INJURY. So Jarron can only get a sixth year if he loses ANOTHER year to injury.

Tarean did not redshirt, and I assume he went down early enough in the year that he will be able to take this 2015 season as a redshirt year.*

*I've always hoped that someone could point me to a written rule that actually permits that, but I've never found it; people always point me to the rule for medical redshirts for guys who lose two years to injury, which is irrelevant in this context. But I guess it doesn't matter b/c it does seem to be the NCAA's custom and practice to allow guys to take redshirt years in situations like Tarean's.

Virginia Tech Department of Athletics

Guidelines for Medical Hardship Waiver Requests
For a student-athlete to receive a Medical Hardship Waiver per Bylaw 14.2.4, the following four conditions must be met:

The student-athlete may not have participated in more than two contests or dates of competition or 20 percent of the team's completed contests/dates of competition.
The injury or illness must occur prior to the completion of the first half of the season.
The injury or illness does not have to occur during practice/competition, but it must be incapacitating.
Appropriate medical documentation must exist and be provided.

All percentages are calculated according to contests or dates of competition, depending on how your sport's competitive opportunities are counted. Only contests or dates of competition occurring during the championship (traditional) season are included in the calculations. Conference championships/tournaments are counted as one contest or date of competition, regardless of the actual contest/dates used.

If the percentage calculation for the 20-percent rule results in a decimal -- any decimal -- the whole number preceding it is always rounded up. For example, if the softball team competes in 56 games, 20 percent of 56 is 11.2. Due to the "rounding-up," a softball team member who competed in 12 games does qualify for a medical hardship waiver.

To meet the first-half-of-the-season requirement, all competition must cease prior to the start of the contest or date of competition that begins the second half of the season. For example, a soccer player competing in the 10th game of a 19-game season does not qualify for a medical hardship waiver. Also, a student-athlete who is injured in the first half of the season, then attempts to play in the second half and aggravates the original injury, does not qualify for a medical hardship waiver.

 

[wizards8507]

Not Jarron. He took a healthy redshirt his freshman year, so he already has a 5th year available, and you can only get a sixth year if you lose TWO years to INJURY. So Jarron can only get a sixth year if he loses ANOTHER year to injury.

Tarean did not redshirt, and I assume he went down early enough in the year that he will be able to take this 2015 season as a redshirt year.*

*I've always hoped that someone could point me to a written rule that actually permits that, but I've never found it; people always point me to the rule for medical redshirts for guys who lose two years to injury, which is irrelevant in this context. But I guess it doesn't matter b/c it does seem to be the NCAA's custom and practice to allow guys to take redshirt years in situations like Tarean's.

From the A&M compliance office:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/tam/genrel/auto_pdf/comp101-3-five-year-clock-ext.pdf

 

[Henges24]

Not Jarron. He took a healthy redshirt his freshman year, so he already has a 5th year available, and you can only get a sixth year if you lose TWO years to INJURY. So Jarron can only get a sixth year if he loses ANOTHER year to injury.

Tarean did not redshirt, and I assume he went down early enough in the year that he will be able to take this 2015 season as a redshirt year.*

*I've always hoped that someone could point me to a written rule that actually permits that, but I've never found it; people always point me to the rule for medical redshirts for guys who lose two years to injury, which is irrelevant in this context. But I guess it doesn't matter b/c it does seem to be the NCAA's custom and practice to allow guys to take redshirt years in situations like Tarean's.

I'm pretty sure you can basically play 2 whole games and still redshirt. I remember when Rhema got hurt during the Michigan game (brutal knee injury) and that was the 2nd game of the year and he was able to redshirt.

Edit: Looks like that may only be for medical redshirts. Which would still apply to Folston.

 

[BobbyMac]

He had until the end of the Navy game to receive a medical redshirt.

Had he have been redshirted as a freshman, he would have had to have been injured in a way that required surgery and he was truly unable to perform, not the faux medical redshirt given to freshman so they can hit the weight room, to even been considered for the elusive 6th year. I doubt the NCAA would have granted him the 6th year even if he had missed two years of playing time. That year is usually given to players who's situation caused them to miss class time and the 6th year is awarded more for degree finalization than it is for playing time alone.

I received a 6th year so I went down that path. It is a long, drown out affair between the school, the player and the NCAA.

 

[Emcee77]

I'm pretty sure you can basically play 2 whole games and still redshirt. I remember when Rhema got hurt during the Michigan game (brutal knee injury) and that was the 2nd game of the year and he was able to redshirt.

Edit: Looks like that may only be for medical redshirts. Which would still apply to Folston.

Right, looking at the stuff that's been cited (thanks guys), that's the rule for "hardships," which are defined (I'm paraphrasing) as season-ending injuries occurring in the first half of the season if the player has only played in a couple games etc. etc. It looks like the five-year clock, not the hardship determination, is the thing that has a more-than-one-year component, but that doesn't come into play in Tarean's case because Tarean did not redshirt his freshman year.

 

[TheChosen1]

Rumor out there that Folston might be looking at the the NFL draft. Supposedly didn't have surgery with the ND staff.

Source. Poster on Irish illustrated. JB said he heard something 3rd hand about it but couldnt confirm.

 

[Luckylucci]

Rumor out there that Folston might be looking at the the NFL draft. Supposedly didn't have surgery with the ND staff.

Source. Poster on Irish illustrated. JB said he heard something 3rd hand about it but couldnt confirm.

Sure hope that's not true. I wonder if he's on track to graduate. Going all in on a second RB would matchup with this rumor quite well.

 

[GoIrish41]

Rumor out there that Folston might be looking at the the NFL draft. Supposedly didn't have surgery with the ND staff.

Source. Poster on Irish illustrated. JB said he heard something 3rd hand about it but couldnt confirm.

Now I really want Bryant to return.

 

[Grahambo]

Rumor out there that Folston might be looking at the the NFL draft. Supposedly didn't have surgery with the ND staff.

Source. Poster on Irish illustrated. JB said he heard something 3rd hand about it but couldnt confirm.

Get paid while you can.

 

[TheChosen1]

Again, this is one poster on one site. Just saying something to keep an eye on.

 

[koonja]

Wouldn't surprise me. If CJ has a year left, I'm a lot less worried about RB next year as I am this year. I don't think this is a major blow for 2016.

Is CJ back? If so, we have CJ plus 2 solid sophomores and a true fresh. Beats the hell out of CJ plus 2 true freshman.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Wouldn't surprise me. If CJ has a year left, I'm a lot less worried about RB next year as I am this year. I don't think this is a major blow for 2016.

Is CJ back? If so, we have CJ plus 2 solid sophomores and a true fresh. Beats the hell out of CJ plus 2 true freshman.

I thought for sure he was gone but according to und.com:

FRESHMAN SEASON (2012): Did not see game action during the season.

Neat!

 

[ResLife Hero]

Rumor out there that Folston might be looking at the the NFL draft. Supposedly didn't have surgery with the ND staff.

Source. Poster on Irish illustrated. JB said he heard something 3rd hand about it but couldnt confirm.

Not sure if you would even have a way of knowing this, but what does that mean? Is he footing the bill for his medical expenses or just chose a different doctor than the medical staff recommended? I am not aware of us (or any college) having an actual surgeon on staff.

Also, what would his draft prospects look like? He wasn't exactly elite last year and only made it through half a quarter this year. Plus, Adams and CJ are showing that first year RBs can look great behind our line, and he won't light up the combine if he's even invited. I love this kid's game and his role on the team, but I don't see an NFL resume TBH. I think he needs some tape to answer the other questions for NFL scouts.

 

[pkt77242]

Not sure if you would even have a way of knowing this, but what does that mean? Is he footing the bill for his medical expenses or just chose a different doctor than the medical staff recommended? I am not aware of us (or any college) having an actual surgeon on staff.

Most schools have an orthopedic surgeon or surgeons whom they send their athletes too, for surgery. Now they aren't always on staff just loosely affiliated with the school.

ETA: For example ASU had Dr. Carter as their head of Orthopedic surgery and team physician for long time (I believe he is now the Phoenix Suns orthopedic surgeon).

 

[tadman95]

Less than a year as a starter, major knee injury.

Two running backs drafted in the first round in the last three years.

What does he know that makes this a good idea other than he just wants to do it?

 

[GoIrish41]

Wouldn't surprise me. If CJ has a year left, I'm a lot less worried about RB next year as I am this year. I don't think this is a major blow for 2016.

Is CJ back? If so, we have CJ plus 2 solid sophomores and a true fresh. Beats the hell out of CJ plus 2 true freshman.

If he has the kind of year I think he's going to have, he's likely gone anyway.

 

[pumpdog20]

If true, maybe he sees some type of writing on the wall. He'll definitely be behind the 8 ball with some very promising RBs in the fold now.

 

[Calabrese's People]

Coach Kelly looking at his depth chart from last month...

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Folston is no Gurley. He should get healthy, come back and earn more money in the 2017 draft.

Unless he is thinking that with CJ success he won't get the carries next year.


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[IrishSteelhead]

'13 FL RB Tarean Folston (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

Folston is no Gurley. He should get healthy, come back and earn more money in the 2017 draft.

Unless he is thinking that with CJ success he won't get the carries next year.


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Exactly. Far greater RB's, with far greater resumes, have been victims of a draft free fall after injury.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

If true, maybe he sees some type of writing on the wall. He'll definitely be behind the 8 ball with some very promising RBs in the fold now.

I still think he'd be our most consistent option out of the backfield. Not the homerun threat that Prosise is but Folston is purebred. I'd rather have him splitting 50% of the carries than not.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I still think he'd be our most consistent option out of the backfield. Not the homerun threat that Prosise is but Folston is purebred. I'd rather have him splitting 50% of the carries than not.

Agree. And I think he would end up splitting carries with CJ next year.


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[zelezo vlk]

Just here to rehash what's been said: leaving early while coming off a major knee injury is silly. He'll get his carries if he returns.

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